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===Rumours===
===Rumours===
*It is named Forest of the Dead because Donna meets the Grim Reaper ''Those pictures were from [[Turn Left]].''
*It has been rumoured, variously, that River Song is a future mutation of [[Jack Harkness]], The [[The Doctor's TARDIS|TARDIS]] in humanoid form, [[The Rani]], [[Martha Jones]] or a regeneration of [[Romana]]. ''All of these are unlikely as River Song as stated repeatedly that the Doctor hasn't met her yet and that she knows the Doctor in his personal future. This cannot be applied to Jack, the Rani, Martha, Romana or even the TARDIS because they have all met the Doctor. Furthermore people such as Romana and the Rani would know better than to call the Doctor "young" being Time Lords themselves.''
*It has been rumoured, variously, that River Song is a future mutation of [[Jack Harkness]], The [[The Doctor's TARDIS|TARDIS]] in humanoid form, [[The Rani]], [[Martha Jones]] or a regeneration of [[Romana]]. ''All of these are unlikely as River Song as stated repeatedly that the Doctor hasn't met her yet and that she knows the Doctor in his personal future. This cannot be applied to Jack, the Rani or even the TARDIS.''
 
*Donna is not dead. On the digital spy website, it says Donna is living in the country side, with two children and a loving husband, however she senses something is wrong. This could mean that those saved from the library were in fact saved and sent to an alternate reality/dream world inside the library (possibly The girl's world)
*Donna is living in the country side, with two children and a loving husband, however she senses something is wrong. This could mean that those saved from the library were in fact saved and sent to an alternate reality/dream world inside the library. This is possinly the same world as the Girl.
*Other rumours state that River Song is a future companion of the Doctor who the audience have not met until this two-parter. ''This is not a rumour since River herself says she travels with the Doctor further in his personal time line.''
 
*While not a rumour, it can be assumed River Song became a companion during the Tenth Doctor's tenure, since she recognised that incarnation of the Doctor as well as having knowledge of Donna and her own Sonic Screwdriver. She also has a Sonic Blaster, indicating she may have met Jack Harkness (Or that the Sonic Blaster factory has not yet been destroyed by the Ninth Doctor during ''Forest of the Dead'''s setting date - 51st Century)
*At some point in the episode Donna is visited by Miss Evangelista.
*[[Rose Tyler]] may be seen in one of the library's books. This would explain how Donna somehow knows that Rose is returning. ''This is very unlikely as Donna is trapped at the end of the last episode and is likely to take most of the episode to save her. It is also possible that River Song lets it slip.
 
*[[Rose Tyler]] may be seen in one of the library's books. This would explain how Donna somehow knows that Rose is returning. ''This is very unlikely as Donna is trapped at the end of the last episode and is likely to take most of the episode to save her. However it is possible that a picture of Rose will appear in River Song's diary.''
 
*It is suggested that The Girl is CAL, the library index computer's AI. ''This is likely true as she seems to be able to control library systems unconsciously. And in a clip on the BBC's Doctor Who website, Doctor Moon says "And then you forgot", indicating CAL may have created the digital reality to house the minds of the 4022 and then forgot its origin while inside its own created reality.''
*It is suggested that The Girl is CAL, the library index computer's AI. ''This is likely true as she seems to be able to control library systems unconsciously. And in a clip on the BBC's Doctor Who website, Doctor Moon says "And then you forgot", indicating CAL may have created the digital reality to house the minds of the 4022 and then forgot its origin while inside its own created reality.''
*The Doctor is stunned by something River Song whispers in his ear. ''True, as seen in the exclusive clip on the BBC website.''
*The Doctor is stunned by something River Song whispers in his ear. ''True, as seen in the exclusive clip on the BBC website.''
*The episode will begin by River using the sonic blaster to create a hole in the wall to escape.
 
*The Doctor allows himself to be "saved" to visit The Girl. ''Probable, the Doctor is seen falling through a tunnel of light in the trailer (a probable transition effect for entering the digital reality, or possibly the [[Time Vortex]]), however his destination is unknown.''
*The episode will begin by River using the sonic blaster to create a hole in the wall to escape the Suit Creature.
 
*The Doctor allows himself to be "saved" to visit The Girl. ''Probable, the Doctor is seen falling through a tunnel of light in the trailer (a probable transition effect for entering the digital reality, or the [[Time Vortex]]), however his destination is unknown. Futhermore in the BBC trailer for the episode River Song is seen opening a portal in the floor of their library with her sonic screwdriver.''
 
*Donna's physical body has been somehow digitized and saved into the index hard drive, along with the 4022 people. "Saved" in the computer's message is used in the context of a computer file, not meaning "rescued." ''Very possible, the second node seems to imply that the there is some kind of corporeal database that the node-faces are stored in.''
*Donna's physical body has been somehow digitized and saved into the index hard drive, along with the 4022 people. "Saved" in the computer's message is used in the context of a computer file, not meaning "rescued." ''Very possible, the second node seems to imply that the there is some kind of corporeal database that the node-faces are stored in.''
*The Doctor reads his future in the book to find the way he escapes the Vastha Nerada which resolves the cliff hanger (This creates a loop in time which means none of the events happened!) ''This may be likely since the trailer for the concluding episode shows the Doctor confronting River Song about her connection to his future self.''
 
*The Vastha Nerada aren't defeated but the Doctor manages to seal off the planet. However, as the archaeologist's ship leaves, a shadow is seen moving along its wing; signifying the Nerada's escape from the library for use in later episodes.''Unneeded for them to reappear as the Doctor has already stated every planet has them.''
*The Doctor reads his future in the book to find the way he escapes the Vastha Nerada which resolves the cliffhanger, creating a paradox or loop in time which means none of the events happened. ''This may be likely since the trailer for the concluding episode shows the Doctor confronting River Song about her connection to his future self.''
*River Song may end up dying or through the Doctor's actions, her future with him will otherwise be neutralized. ''Unlikely as no main characters in Doctor Who have ever been killed on screen (besides the Master) , since it's intended as a children's program (The New Series, not the Classic, since the Classic was aimed at an older audience). (Minor characters have been killed on screen, though; however, such characters are commonly ones viewers expect to die)''It is possible as major characters unexpected to die have died in the new series such as [[Astrid Peth]]. Also the Classic Series was not aimed at an older audience.'' ''Although If River Sond did die, the doctor's future would not be nullified. He could still journey with her in his future. Although he would be aware of the events of her death.''
 
*River Song may become the Doctors companion, or be associated with him in some way as she will become someone he trusts "greatly". *Doctor Moon may be evil as in the trailer it shows him with an evil expression and the fear forecast reveals somebody saying "He's the bad guy now!" '' Unlikely as [[DWM]] hints that [[Felman Lux]] is the bad guy and he is keeping a secret''
*The Vastha Nerada aren't defeated but the Doctor manages to seal off the planet. However, as the archaeologist's ship leaves, a shadow is seen moving along its wing; signifying the Nerada's escape from the library for use in later episodes. ''Unlike as it is uneeded for them to reappear as the Doctor has already stated every planet has them.''
*River Song could be an older version of the little girl, but when River sees her on the television wouldn't River have noticed it was her? ''Highly unlikely since the Girl and River have no resemblance and the Doctor would technically have "met" the little Girl, while River claims "the Doctor hasn't met me yet".'' (''Although in the trailer Dr. Moon says 'And the you forgot')''
 
*It's not actually stated that River Song is a future companion.
*River Song may end up dying or through the Doctor's actions, her future with him will otherwise be neutralized. ''Unlikely as if River Song did die, the Doctor's future would not be nullified. He could still journey with her in his future, although he would be aware of the events of her death. If her future with him was neutralized, then technically the Doctor would never have gone to the library in the first place.''
 
*River Song may become the Doctors companion, or be associated with him in some way as she will become someone he trusts "greatly" during the Tenth Doctor's tenure, since she recognised that incarnation of the Doctor as well as having knowledge of Donna and being given her own sonic screwdriver. ''Although it is not actually stated that River Song is a future companion, she does say that she knows him in his personal future. It is possible that River Song knows not only the Tenth Doctor but a future regeneration.''
 
*Doctor Moon may be evil as in the trailer it shows him with an evil expression and the fear forecast reveals somebody saying "He's the bad guy now!" '' Unlikely as [[DWM]] hints that [[Felman Lux]] is the bad guy and he is keeping a secret''
 
*River Song could be an older version of the little girl, but when River sees her on the television wouldn't River have noticed it was her? ''Highly unlikely since the Girl and River have no resemblance and the Doctor would technically have "met" the little Girl, while River claims "the Doctor hasn't met me yet".'' (''Although in the trailer Dr. Moon says 'And then you forgot')''


=== Filming locations===
=== Filming locations===

Revision as of 20:27, 6 June 2008

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SpoilersRiver Song

Synopsis

As the shadows rise and march, the Doctor forges an alliance with the mysterious River Song. But can anyone stop the Vashta Nerada? While the Doctor discovers long-buried secrets and revelations about his own future, the sinister Nodes declare that Donna is doomed.

Plot

Cast

References

Story notes

  • The working title for this story was: River's Run
  • The Doctor says "Who are you?" on the trailer which is also on the Doctor Who website exclusive clip.

Ratings

To be added

Myths

Rumours

  • It has been rumoured, variously, that River Song is a future mutation of Jack Harkness, The TARDIS in humanoid form, The Rani, Martha Jones or a regeneration of Romana. All of these are unlikely as River Song as stated repeatedly that the Doctor hasn't met her yet and that she knows the Doctor in his personal future. This cannot be applied to Jack, the Rani, Martha, Romana or even the TARDIS because they have all met the Doctor. Furthermore people such as Romana and the Rani would know better than to call the Doctor "young" being Time Lords themselves.
  • Donna is living in the country side, with two children and a loving husband, however she senses something is wrong. This could mean that those saved from the library were in fact saved and sent to an alternate reality/dream world inside the library. This is possinly the same world as the Girl.
  • At some point in the episode Donna is visited by Miss Evangelista.
  • Rose Tyler may be seen in one of the library's books. This would explain how Donna somehow knows that Rose is returning. This is very unlikely as Donna is trapped at the end of the last episode and is likely to take most of the episode to save her. However it is possible that a picture of Rose will appear in River Song's diary.
  • It is suggested that The Girl is CAL, the library index computer's AI. This is likely true as she seems to be able to control library systems unconsciously. And in a clip on the BBC's Doctor Who website, Doctor Moon says "And then you forgot", indicating CAL may have created the digital reality to house the minds of the 4022 and then forgot its origin while inside its own created reality.
  • The Doctor is stunned by something River Song whispers in his ear. True, as seen in the exclusive clip on the BBC website.
  • The episode will begin by River using the sonic blaster to create a hole in the wall to escape the Suit Creature.
  • The Doctor allows himself to be "saved" to visit The Girl. Probable, the Doctor is seen falling through a tunnel of light in the trailer (a probable transition effect for entering the digital reality, or the Time Vortex), however his destination is unknown. Futhermore in the BBC trailer for the episode River Song is seen opening a portal in the floor of their library with her sonic screwdriver.
  • Donna's physical body has been somehow digitized and saved into the index hard drive, along with the 4022 people. "Saved" in the computer's message is used in the context of a computer file, not meaning "rescued." Very possible, the second node seems to imply that the there is some kind of corporeal database that the node-faces are stored in.
  • The Doctor reads his future in the book to find the way he escapes the Vastha Nerada which resolves the cliffhanger, creating a paradox or loop in time which means none of the events happened. This may be likely since the trailer for the concluding episode shows the Doctor confronting River Song about her connection to his future self.
  • The Vastha Nerada aren't defeated but the Doctor manages to seal off the planet. However, as the archaeologist's ship leaves, a shadow is seen moving along its wing; signifying the Nerada's escape from the library for use in later episodes. Unlike as it is uneeded for them to reappear as the Doctor has already stated every planet has them.
  • River Song may end up dying or through the Doctor's actions, her future with him will otherwise be neutralized. Unlikely as if River Song did die, the Doctor's future would not be nullified. He could still journey with her in his future, although he would be aware of the events of her death. If her future with him was neutralized, then technically the Doctor would never have gone to the library in the first place.
  • River Song may become the Doctors companion, or be associated with him in some way as she will become someone he trusts "greatly" during the Tenth Doctor's tenure, since she recognised that incarnation of the Doctor as well as having knowledge of Donna and being given her own sonic screwdriver. Although it is not actually stated that River Song is a future companion, she does say that she knows him in his personal future. It is possible that River Song knows not only the Tenth Doctor but a future regeneration.
  • Doctor Moon may be evil as in the trailer it shows him with an evil expression and the fear forecast reveals somebody saying "He's the bad guy now!" Unlikely as DWM hints that Felman Lux is the bad guy and he is keeping a secret
  • River Song could be an older version of the little girl, but when River sees her on the television wouldn't River have noticed it was her? Highly unlikely since the Girl and River have no resemblance and the Doctor would technically have "met" the little Girl, while River claims "the Doctor hasn't met me yet". (Although in the trailer Dr. Moon says 'And then you forgot')

Filming locations

To be added

Continuity

To be added


Discontinuity, Plot Holes, Errors

To be added.

DVD and other releases

  • It will be released on the Series 4 boxset DVD in November 2008.
  • It will be released as Series 4 Volume 3 alongside Silence in the Library and Midnight in August 2008.

External Links

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