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I started to wonder this when I saw this category applied to [[Death (Timewyrm: Revelation)]]. Is the "murderers" category, as opposed to simply "killers", really appropriate there? I mean, it's literally the embodiment of the concept of death itself so... that's a legal grey area, to say the least. So, I originally planned to discuss this on THAT talk page, but then I thought about it a bit more and it seems to me that due to the DWU's number of robots, incorporeal entities, dictators who literally make the rules so can break them, and other such ambiguous cases as to whether they can legally be called "murderers", it might be hard to maintain the separation of these categories without some violation of [[T:NPOV]]. Because it seems by calling, say, [[Tlotoxl]] or [[Helen A]] "murders" we are making a moral judgement on their actions, since nothing they do in the story is legally murder in their society. And I don't see what else, apart from either a legal or moral distinction, would distinguish a "murderer" and a "killer". So really, is this an actually workable as a distinct category from "killers" under current policy? Even if so, surely we'll at least have to careful who we put there. [[User:NightmareofEden|NightmareofEden]] [[User talk:NightmareofEden|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC) | I started to wonder this when I saw this category applied to [[Death (Timewyrm: Revelation)]]. Is the "murderers" category, as opposed to simply "killers", really appropriate there? I mean, it's literally the embodiment of the concept of death itself so... that's a legal grey area, to say the least. So, I originally planned to discuss this on THAT talk page, but then I thought about it a bit more and it seems to me that due to the DWU's number of robots, incorporeal entities, dictators who literally make the rules so can break them, and other such ambiguous cases as to whether they can legally be called "murderers", it might be hard to maintain the separation of these categories without some violation of [[T:NPOV]]. Because it seems by calling, say, [[Tlotoxl]] or [[Helen A]] "murders" we are making a moral judgement on their actions, since nothing they do in the story is legally murder in their society. And I don't see what else, apart from either a legal or moral distinction, would distinguish a "murderer" and a "killer". So really, is this an actually workable as a distinct category from "killers" under current policy? Even if so, surely we'll at least have to careful who we put there. [[User:NightmareofEden|NightmareofEden]] [[User talk:NightmareofEden|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC) | ||
:I agree. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:04, 13 September 2021 (UTC) | :I agree. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:04, 13 September 2021 (UTC) | ||
::The idea was that killers would be for people who caused death ''accidentally'' or through mind control (ie. through no choice of their own). If it can be taken to be a moral judgment, however, it doesn't pass [[T:CAT NAME]]. | |||
::[[:Category:Murderers]] was the earlier category, and is the most populous. Maybe a subcategory with a better name could do the work of specifying "accidental killers" or "murderers while under mind control"?{{User:SOTO/sig}} 17:10, 13 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
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What makes a murderer?
I started to wonder this when I saw this category applied to Death (Timewyrm: Revelation). Is the "murderers" category, as opposed to simply "killers", really appropriate there? I mean, it's literally the embodiment of the concept of death itself so... that's a legal grey area, to say the least. So, I originally planned to discuss this on THAT talk page, but then I thought about it a bit more and it seems to me that due to the DWU's number of robots, incorporeal entities, dictators who literally make the rules so can break them, and other such ambiguous cases as to whether they can legally be called "murderers", it might be hard to maintain the separation of these categories without some violation of T:NPOV. Because it seems by calling, say, Tlotoxl or Helen A "murders" we are making a moral judgement on their actions, since nothing they do in the story is legally murder in their society. And I don't see what else, apart from either a legal or moral distinction, would distinguish a "murderer" and a "killer". So really, is this an actually workable as a distinct category from "killers" under current policy? Even if so, surely we'll at least have to careful who we put there. NightmareofEden ☎ 14:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- I agree. Shambala108 ☎ 16:04, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- The idea was that killers would be for people who caused death accidentally or through mind control (ie. through no choice of their own). If it can be taken to be a moral judgment, however, it doesn't pass T:CAT NAME.
- Category:Murderers was the earlier category, and is the most populous. Maybe a subcategory with a better name could do the work of specifying "accidental killers" or "murderers while under mind control"?
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 17:10, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Murderers was the earlier category, and is the most populous. Maybe a subcategory with a better name could do the work of specifying "accidental killers" or "murderers while under mind control"?
