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:::: Having now read it, the term is used uncapitalised in {{cs|Freaky Foolsday (short story)}}. [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC) | :::: Having now read it, the term is used uncapitalised in {{cs|Freaky Foolsday (short story)}}. [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC) | ||
::::: I am unconvinced by the rename suggestion though. [[T:DAB IU]] generally suggests that, if an in-universe counterparts of ''Doctor Who'' media should receive the dab term, and, in rare occasions, outlying cases. However, the Fourth Wall is not an in-universe counterpart of ''Doctor Who'' media, it's a pre-existing literary device. If we go down that route, we'd end up dabbing lots of pages like [[exposition]], [[science fiction]], [[episode]], etc etc etc, which was not agreed upon in the original forum thread, and I strongly oppose it. This is an ''in-universe'' wiki. General concepts should not be disambiguated from coverage of the same concepts from an out-of-universe perspective. | |||
::::: The precedent this rename could set would affect coverage of many different pages in such a way antithetical to the perspective and system of this wiki. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 21:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Scope == | == Scope == | ||
Would this page be able to cover stuff like the [[Fifteenth Doctor]]'s reference to [[diagesis]] in {{cs|The Devil's Chord (TV story)}}? (Or, also, various parts of [[Jenny Says: Drink Gevity™! (comic story)|that comic I did]], which has [[Jenny Everywhere A (Jenny Says: Drink Gevity™!)|Jenny]] break the fourth wall a bit) [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC) | Would this page be able to cover stuff like the [[Fifteenth Doctor]]'s reference to [[diagesis]] in {{cs|The Devil's Chord (TV story)}}? (Or, also, various parts of [[Jenny Says: Drink Gevity™! (comic story)|that comic I did]], which has [[Jenny Everywhere A (Jenny Says: Drink Gevity™!)|Jenny]] break the fourth wall a bit) [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC) | ||
:I think it should cover direct mentions, rather than listing examples where ''from our perspective, as readers'' the fourth wall has been broken. It would be good to be able to cite a connection between the fourth wall and diegesis, from an in-universe source.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 23:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC) | :I think it should cover direct mentions, rather than listing examples where ''from our perspective, as readers'' the fourth wall has been broken. It would be good to be able to cite a connection between the fourth wall and diegesis, from an in-universe source.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 23:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC) | ||
Revision as of 21:53, 27 June 2024
Rename
I've added a {{rename}} tag to the page as I feel "Fourth wall (in-universe)" would better get across the difference between this and "fourth wall", as well as not using capitalisation which, presumably, only one source uses. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 23:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- It should be Fourth Wall though, as From Wildthyme with Love capitalises thr term. 00:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- I guess I don't feel that strongly on that bit, but I definitely think an "(in-universe)" dab would help differentiate it, either way. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 00:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Having now read it, the term is used uncapitalised in Freaky Foolsday [+]Loading...["Freaky Foolsday (short story)"]. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 21:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am unconvinced by the rename suggestion though. T:DAB IU generally suggests that, if an in-universe counterparts of Doctor Who media should receive the dab term, and, in rare occasions, outlying cases. However, the Fourth Wall is not an in-universe counterpart of Doctor Who media, it's a pre-existing literary device. If we go down that route, we'd end up dabbing lots of pages like exposition, science fiction, episode, etc etc etc, which was not agreed upon in the original forum thread, and I strongly oppose it. This is an in-universe wiki. General concepts should not be disambiguated from coverage of the same concepts from an out-of-universe perspective.
- The precedent this rename could set would affect coverage of many different pages in such a way antithetical to the perspective and system of this wiki. 21:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Scope
Would this page be able to cover stuff like the Fifteenth Doctor's reference to diagesis in The Devil's Chord [+]Loading...["The Devil's Chord (TV story)"]? (Or, also, various parts of that comic I did, which has Jenny break the fourth wall a bit) Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 23:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
