Talk:The Doctor

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Archived

The page was simply getting too long to allow for clarity of thought. Thus, it has been archived in a number of pages so as to aid comprehension.

• The earliest, mostly pre-2011 discussion are at Archive 1
• Some 2011 discussions are at Archive 2
• The March 2011-August 2012 discussions about the infobox images can be found at Archive 3.
• The August 2012-3 September 2012 revival of the infobox discussion is at Archive 4.
• Archive 5 contains the final round of discussion on the infobox picture, along with the final determination of consensus. To give you the short answer here, though, it was decided that we will move to rotating, captioned images of all eleven Doctors. This solution will be implemented within the next week or so.
  czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  00:39: Mon 17 Sep 2012

Infobox pic implementation

Sorry for the delay in implementation. You should now find that this page does what was agreed by the community. Oh, hell, I just noticed that the discussion called for captioned images. I guess it doesn't do that right now. If anyone would like to make captioned versions of these constituent pictures (you can get a list from looking at {{Docpic}}).
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  00:04: Tue 13 Nov 2012

Actually, now that I've set up mostly different pictures for this page than those which exist on the individual incarnation pages, I'm not so sure captions are all that necessary. I think it's fine as is. Note that the pictures are locked down. To spare us the agony of having to go through endless rounds of discussion on which pictures best represent the several Doctors, I've simply locked {{Docpic}}. We've talked this one to death, people. What we have is what's gonna be.

A little word about technical matters. There's a tiny, <1 second glitch that happens when transiting from One to Two. You get this fast impression of Eleven in a Stetson. It happens only on the first time through all the Doctors. It's showing the picture that Opera users see al the time, because this technique doesn't work for Opera. No biggie though. Opera's not supported by Wikia.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  05:40: Tue 13 Nov 2012

Is this gallery working? All I get are 12 pictures of the Doctor stacked ontop of each other.     ǝsʞpɐןǝ  (talk page)  09:57, 13 November 2012

It's working for me in Chrome Version 23.0.1271.64, Firefox 16.0.2 and Safari 6.0.2. It doesn't (yet) work in Opera, but Opera isn't supported by Wikia (and, in any case, Opera doesn't produce a stack of 12 pictures; it freezes on one). I don't have the ability to check IE performance, but it should be okay with the latest version of IE. It's possible you just needed to have reloaded the page or to have cleared your cache, as I was doing a bit of tinkering on it yesterday. If you're still experiencing problems, please do let me know which browser and version you're using.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  12:46: Tue 13 Nov 2012

Working now (latest Chrome).     ǝsʞpɐןǝ  (talk page)  15:26, 13 November 2012

Just to let you know, it does work in IE but does have the glitch you mentioned. Shambala108 ☎ 15:28, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's not working on Firefox 16.0.2 from my end (Chrome and IE work with the Eleventh Doctor glitch). It shows the Doctors stacked on top of one another. -- Tybort (talk page) 17:55, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, working now. -- Tybort (talk page) 21:59, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Glad everyone is finding that it's working now. I've changed the order slightly to get rid of the odd introductory glitch. Eleven's been pulled to the top, so now it's running 11-->10, instead of 1-->11. This allows me to set the "fallthrough" pic for Opera users to be the same pic that starts the animation, eliminating the glitch altogether.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  02:04: Wed 14 Nov 2012

This implementation does not work in the wikiamobile skin. It's not high on the list of priorities, but a solution is being sought.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  16:08: Mon 10 Dec 2012

Telepathy

We all no that the doctor can read minds and wipe them by physichal contact, but i have not hurd anny mention of this on the timelord page way is that. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Svärd (talk • contribs) .

Incarnations?

Has Hartnell's doctor ever been confirmed to have been the time lord's first incarnation? And was it ever stated how many times he regenerated during the time war? If not, couldn't Matt's incarnation could be the 15'th as well as the 11'th?Thomsons Gazelle ☎ 13:16, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

I think Hartnell/Hurndall was said to be the original in The Five Doctors, and mentioned there was "five of [him]" now when meeting Davison. I may need to double check that. That said though, the "this planet is defended" hologram scene in The Eleventh Hour doesn't show anyone between Paul McGann and Christopher Eccleston when going through the Doctor's incarnations. Also, in School Reunion, David Tennant is said to have regenerated "half a dozen times" since leaving Sarah Jane to go to Gallifrey. -- Tybort (talk page) 13:47, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, good to know. (But the Atraxi hologram was created from the atraxi database, and they couldn't know about any incarnations during the time war as it was separated from the rest of reality.)Thomsons Gazelle ☎ 17:23, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Plus, if I recall correctly, Eleven referred to himself as eleventh when talking to Craig in The Lodger (TV story), and the Time Lords in The Three Doctors (TV story) refer to Hartnell as the first. Shambala108 ☎ 19:57, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, that too? Thanks again.Thomsons Gazelle ☎ 21:47, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Also, in Mawdryn Undead the version-of-the-Doctor-played-by-Peter-Davison says that he has regenerated four times. The preponderance of evidence does indicate that the version played by Hartnell was indeed the first. That said, the production team behind The Brain of Morbius intended the additional faces seen in the "mind-bending" scene to be pre-Hartnell versions of the Doctor, and although many fans pretend otherwise, that's the clear implication of the scene. This difficulty is partly resolved by the mysterious figure of the Other, who features in a handful of novels: the way that it's put in Cat's Cradle: Time's Crucible is that "before regeneration, there was reincarnation", and the suggestion is that the Doctor is the reincarnation of the Other, and it's the Other's faces we see as the Doctor is losing the mind-bending contest in Brain of Morbius. —Josiah Rowe ☎ 04:36, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

I was going to mention what he said to Craig, but, seeing as it's already been said, I'll mention another: in The Three Doctors, the First Doctor says "So there's three of me now?" or something to that extent. SmallerOnTheOutside ☎ 04:59, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Erasing ALL knowledge of The Doctor? I don't think so

According to this entry, The Doctor "erased knowledge of him on 21st century Earth...and later did so himself throughout all of time and space."

Clara Oswin Oswald erased all knowledge of the Doctor from the Dalek database in Asylum of the Daleks (TV story) but I don't recall at any point that The Doctor in The Angels Take Manhattan (TV story) erased all knowledge of himself EVERYWHERE. If that was true then every single one of his companions (including River Song) would have no memory of him which seems, from a simple storyline perspective, highly unlikely. Look at The Snowmen (TV story), he had allies there who knew all about The Doctor. 63.143.217.227^{talk to me} 21:12, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

River Song said he's been erasing himself from every database in existence, actually. And every database is not everyone's memory, dude.

I'll bet he didn't bother to hit up the UNIT databases - we see that they still know of him in The Power of Three, plus, plenty of personal knowledge about him in that group.--ComicBookGoddess ☎ 21:30, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

I think 63's issue is not what River said or didn't say, but rather what the article says, that is, "The Doctor had ordered Mickey Smith to erase knowledge of him on 21st century Earth, and later did so himself throughout all of time and space." The article doesn't use the word "database", it uses "knowledge", and that's what 63 is trying to point out. Shambala108 ☎ 21:44, April 12, 2013 (UTC)