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Sure this fails the first of our 'four little rules', and even if you do stretch it to count as an (incredibly abstract story), it must fail rule four, since this was quite clearly, as actually admitted on the page itself, intended as an FX showcase rather than an entry into the DWU. [[User:NightmareofEden|NightmareofEden]] [[User talk:NightmareofEden|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:37, April 23, 2020 (UTC) | |||
:A talk page isn't the place for this sort of thing. Open a thread in [[Board:Inclusion debates]] if you have evidence that it shouldn't be considered a [[Tardis:Valid sources|valid source]]. But before you do, as the page's creator, let me present my answers to your concerns: | |||
:The fact that we can summarise in-univers events happening within it do suggest that this passes Rule 1. "Story" for the purposes of Rule 1 doesn't mean "rigorous three-act structure", it means that the story is about events in the DWU rather than being a description of static features of the DWU. ''[[Vrs (short story)|Vrs]]'' is valid, ''[[The Dalek Dictionary]]'' is not: it's not about length or "abstraction". | |||
:As for whether it passes Rule 4, I don't see any special effects people on screen, any reminder ''within'' the webcast that it's a special-effects demonstration. Certainly it ''exists'' to serve as a demonstration of pyrotechnics, but that doesn't mean this demonstration isn't given an in-universe framing. If this were a real-world-focused documentary, you'd expect the special effects to be pointed out — to have "behind-the-scenes"-type footage of how they did this, an interview with the people responsible, or something of the kind. There is none of that. | |||
:I'm just not seeing an ''obvious'' Rule-4-break in the webcast. If you find a quote from the BBC or someone who worked on it, saying that it's not supposed to be a short scene about an actual [[Dalek]], but simply footage of people in the real world exploding an empty Dalek ''prop''… sure, open a debate. But in the meantime it doesn't look clear-cut to me, and frankly it does the Wiki no harm to cover it as a brief valid scene, so I don't see the point in holding out another quotes-deficient, protracted inclusion debate founded on speculation about authorial intent. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:52, April 23, 2020 (UTC) | |||
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Victory or Asylum?
The page currently states that the prop originates from Victory of the Daleks but it seems clear to me that it is the "fixed" variant created for Asylum (see: here, that it was much more than just a repaint job, they had to recreate part of it to remove the infamous 'hunch')RingoRoadagain ☎ 10:52, April 23, 2020 (UTC)
- Not sure why you had to take this to the talk page? But you're probably right, yes. I've added a mention of that to the article. The page didn't say that the prop originated in Victory per se, just that it was part of the New Dalek Paradigm which debuted in Victory. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 11:15, April 23, 2020 (UTC)
Should this be VALID?
Sure this fails the first of our 'four little rules', and even if you do stretch it to count as an (incredibly abstract story), it must fail rule four, since this was quite clearly, as actually admitted on the page itself, intended as an FX showcase rather than an entry into the DWU. NightmareofEden ☎ 15:37, April 23, 2020 (UTC)
- A talk page isn't the place for this sort of thing. Open a thread in Board:Inclusion debates if you have evidence that it shouldn't be considered a valid source. But before you do, as the page's creator, let me present my answers to your concerns:
- The fact that we can summarise in-univers events happening within it do suggest that this passes Rule 1. "Story" for the purposes of Rule 1 doesn't mean "rigorous three-act structure", it means that the story is about events in the DWU rather than being a description of static features of the DWU. Vrs is valid, The Dalek Dictionary is not: it's not about length or "abstraction".
- As for whether it passes Rule 4, I don't see any special effects people on screen, any reminder within the webcast that it's a special-effects demonstration. Certainly it exists to serve as a demonstration of pyrotechnics, but that doesn't mean this demonstration isn't given an in-universe framing. If this were a real-world-focused documentary, you'd expect the special effects to be pointed out — to have "behind-the-scenes"-type footage of how they did this, an interview with the people responsible, or something of the kind. There is none of that.
- I'm just not seeing an obvious Rule-4-break in the webcast. If you find a quote from the BBC or someone who worked on it, saying that it's not supposed to be a short scene about an actual Dalek, but simply footage of people in the real world exploding an empty Dalek prop… sure, open a debate. But in the meantime it doesn't look clear-cut to me, and frankly it does the Wiki no harm to cover it as a brief valid scene, so I don't see the point in holding out another quotes-deficient, protracted inclusion debate founded on speculation about authorial intent. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 15:52, April 23, 2020 (UTC)
