Talk:Charity publication

Individual publications

Because these publications are not a legal part of the Doctor Who franchise, a forum decision was made to not cover these publications on this wiki. Therefore, no pages should be created for these stories/anthologies. Shambala108 ☎ 04:48, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Anthology section expansion?

Should this page be expanded so that an infobox could be included for each anthology, listing all of the stories within. The infobox could also note which stories were later adapted into stories that are covered on this site, as well as which stories feature licensed uses of characters from the DWU. PoolsideJazz ☎ 20:13, October 23, 2020 (UTC)

Please read the comment above yours, but in short, we do not cover charity publications on this wiki. Shambala108 ☎ 20:25, October 23, 2020 (UTC)

The comment above talks about not making pages for these stories, which I totally understand, but (as these publications are already listed on the page) I think it would be good to create infoboxes with each of the stories from these publications. The infobox could include; who wrote it (only linking to writers with other work within the DWU) as well as any licensed characters used such as; Miranda Dawkins in Iris Explains, etc.

This information is already available on this site but you need to go looking for it. Collecting all the information here would be extremely helpful. PoolsideJazz ☎ 20:43, October 23, 2020 (UTC)

I also agree that while the Tardis Data Core doesn't cover the stories, there should be a *little bit* more information at least on this page about the stories. Epsilon (Contact me) 21:05, October 23, 2020 (UTC)

While it is nowhere near complete as I have just whipped it up now, I was thinking about something like this for each anthology;

Walking in Eternity

Title	Writer	Licensed Characters	Unlicensed Characters	Adapted into
In the Sixties	Paul Magrs	Dr Oho, Iris Wildthyme		In the Sixties
Pop Culture Reference	Scott Longmuir
Over Your Shoulder	Simon Exton
Wetware	Alex Steer
Changing Rooms (With No Doors)	Mark Michalowski
What Does it Profit A Man?	Arfie Mansfield
Hall of Me	Mike Collins
Satisfaction Guaranteed	Arnold Blumberg
Mercy	Kelly Hale
Dark Time	John Smith
The Wee Man	Iain Hepburn
Cracks in the Pavement	Robert Parker
Cracks in the Pavement	Dave Smith
Dr Who & The Zodiac Of Death	David Bishop
The Rainbow Man	Robert Smith
Analysis	Mark Clapham
Pulp of the Black Lotus	Simon Bucher-Jones
Eucatastrophe	Mags L. Halliday
Caught in Margate: The Itching	Matt Marshall
Cabinet of Changes	Philip Purser-Hallard	Iris, Sally, Canine, Magda	Eighth Doctor, Fitz Kreiner, Compassion, Anji Kapoor, Bernice Summerfield

PoolsideJazz ☎ 22:19, October 23, 2020 (UTC)

I'll need to have a think on whether to proceed with this, but note that the Walking in Eternity version of In the Sixties doesn't have Dr Oho — it has, well, "Dr Who". (What Doctor is sort of ambiguous. The illustration depicts him as the Cushing Doctor, but he's mentioned to be in exile on Earth and a TV show show host, implying he's the Season 6B Second Doctor from the post-War Games TV Comics.) Dr Oho is a stand-in for him in the commercial version, similar to how El Jefe fills in for the First Doctor on occasion. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 22:30, October 23, 2020 (UTC)

I like this idea. Information about charity anthologies is almost impossible to find on the internet, making it an obvious candidate for this wiki, and this idea lets us do that while still keeping all the information confined to one page. Not to mention how helpful it would be for our coverage of valid, in-universe characters and concepts who originated in invalid charity stories, such as Carmen Yeh or Last Contact. – N8 (☎/👁️) 01:58, October 24, 2020 (UTC)

While I like this idea, I'm not sure if it conforms with current policy (this is not to say I think it doesn't, I'm just noting that my interest for this idea comes with the caveat that this wiki doesn't correspond with my idealized version of it, as I'd also prefer us to better cover, for instance, fan culture during the wilderness years, as that's a topic that is woefully documented elsewhere, or any number of such Doctor Who marginalia that aren't compiled elsewhere). If this was to happen, the licensed/unlicensed split might be difficult to actually do without asking the author. Najawin ☎ 02:14, October 24, 2020 (UTC)

Personally, I think tables like these are a very good idea! However, I think that the table should only have three columns: "title", "writer", and "additional notes". In the Sixties is actually a great example for why this would be beneficial, because it would allow us to note (alongside all the other information that the above table already includes, albeit in sentence form) that the setting of In the Sixties was almost returned to in a deleted scene in The Blue Angel.[3] With this and other similar cases, the ways in which charity stories are significant to the official DWU cannot be easily articulated without a notes section. CoT ? 04:27, October 24, 2020 (UTC)

I think this suggestion improves the original proposal considerably. Here's a (extremely abbreviated) version of the example table for Walking in Eternity, adapted to User:CoT's suggested format (and with some additional notes!) to show off how versatile this format would be.

Title	Writer	Notes
In the Sixties	Paul Magrs	Features the licensed use of Iris Wildthyme. Later adapted into In the Sixties.
Pulp of the Black Lotus	Simon Bucher-Jones
Eucatastrophe	Mags L. Halliday
Cabinet of Changes	Philip Purser-Hallard	A sequel to The Blue Angel. Available on the author's website.[1] Notably annotated by Stuart Douglas.[2]
Man of Smoke and Dust	Sarah Hadley & Nick Campbell	Introduces Leutnant Johanna Adell, who would later appear as the Beauftragter in Hadley's A Star's View of Caroline.

– N8 (☎/👁️) 18:36, November 16, 2020 (UTC)

Bafflement & Devotion: Iris at the Edges

Raising a discussion about the new Iris Wildthyme anthology from Obverse Books.

This installment will include several stories from other charity publications;

• In the Sixties (from Walking in Eternity)
• Being an Extract from ‘The Amazing Adventures of Iris Wildthyme on Neptune’ (from Tales of the Solar System)
• An Unearthly Palaver (from the G’day for the Doctor convention)
• Entertaining Mr O (from Perfect Timing)
• It’s Raining Again (from Perfect Timing)
• Iris Explains (from Missing Pieces)
• A World Apart (from the Iris Wildthyme Pages website)
• No Place Like Home (from Shelf Life)
• Faking It (from the Iris Wildthyme Pages website)
• Iris Wildthyme and the Spiders from Magrs (from Walking In Eternity)
• Iris and the Outsider (from the Iris Wildthyme Pages website)
• Cabinet of Changes (from Walking In Eternity)
• Lost, Presumably Illogically Ignored (from an old FTP server)
• When Iris Met Billy (from A Second Target for Tommy)

This release will also include stories already covered by this wikia; Bafflement and Devotion, Hospitality and Deleted Scene from The Key Lime Pie 2 Time.

I thought that I would raise the discussion on whether this anthology should be covered by this site - despite itself being a charity publication - before its release, if that's allowed, so that it didn't cause problems later down the line.

Personally I think that this release should be covered by the site as it is an important part of Iris Wildthyme history. As most of these stories were released originally in charity publications some of them may include characters that they didn't have licensing for (Cabinet of Changes with the Doctor, for one) and these should be invalid. RadMatter ☎ 14:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)