User talk:Tangerineduel

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Cleanup Template

Ok. It is done. At the moment, it says: It needs to be cleaned up in these sections: as I couldn't think of anything better but if you can think of something better, feel free to change it. User:Solar Dragon/Signature 16:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, whoops. Sorry, I thought it was you who left my the message. I don't know why. Anyway, it needs rewording I know but can you think of anything better? User:Solar Dragon/Signature 16:52, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
The reason I was saying about it was that, for example, on River Song's page, it was in need of a clean-up. But it didn't need it for one section, it needed it in the the whole thing, but most people wouldn't know that the cleanup needed all spoilers removed. If we add this section to the cleanup template, it doesn't always need to be used, but it is there for necessary times when specifics need to be removed such as the spoilers on River's page. I've cleaned her page up since asking for the template to be modified, but I still think it will be useful for the future. The Thirteenth Doctor 17:08, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Patroller

I know that some people have requested to become Admins on the wiki, but I don't think I'd like that level of control. On Heroes Wiki we have this thing called patrollers, they look through as many edits as they can and basically patrol them and make sure they are acceptable for the wiki, if not, undoing them. Is there something similar on this wiki... I'm not sure if that's what a "sysop" is? Could you help? The Thirteenth Doctor 22:32, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

That's what is considered a "rollback" user in general. -- sulfur 22:49, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Pages

I agree with you that i should reply here, rather than the Tardis:User rights page. So I have gone though my edits and picked out the pages that I am most proud of and what I think shows my most creative skills.

The pages which I am proud of are: my heavy edits to the Series 3 (Torchwood) page, before it was released. On this page I turned it into a proper episode pages, and sorted out all the headings and put the correct information under them. I am partially proud of turning the Series 5 (Doctor Who) page into a proper series page where as before it had only the cast and rumours. I turned it from that into a proper series pages, and thinned out the rumours and adding the correct headings, and it has since then grown to what it is now. Thirdly, I am proud of the pages where I have been involved with the removing of the discontinuity and the adding of production errors, which I myself brought up the subject again. I am also proud of the Tardis:Guide to writing Individuals articles page, which I created, and even with your heavy edits to it, I feel that some on my work I did while creating it is still there, and I feel that by creating that, I helped with making this wiki even better. Lastly, I am proud of the navigation templates I have created, especially the Time Lord stories, Torchwood Novels and Audio and Christmas specials

The pages which I feel show my creative skills are: Many of the actor pages I have created and also my edits to pages that have the wrong layout. Many of these are the audio adventures, and I have recognised this and changed them to how they should be laid out, and put the information under the correct headings on when they are not. Many audio adventures have wrong or incorrect headings on them, and I have gone though some some them and changed them to how the manual of style says they should be laid out. I am also proud of my early edits to the 2009 Specials (Doctor Who) page, it was here I spend most of my early edits, as I joined this wiki just prior to Planet of the Dead aired, i know I have had some daft edits with them, but now fell I am a more experienced user. Thanks. Mini-mitch 17:!0, June 19 2010 (UTC)

I have a three pages that I feel will show you my creative skill (all in-universe): They are one of my edits to the Alonso Frame page, linked to my edit version here - [1]. Secondly, my edit to the Lucy Saxon page, showing my edits here - [2]. Thirdly, is my lastest edit to Pete Tyler (Pete's World) here - [3].
I will also take what you said about Panda into account. Cheers :) Mini-mitch 17:00, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Face Tendril

Can you help me move the Multi-Form back to Face Tendril. Face Tendril is the correct name and is even acknowledged by the BBC Doctor Who website as the species name. Multi form is just another name that it is refered to. Thanks -- Michael Downey 20:41, June 19, 2010 (UTC).

The Pandorica Opens

I draw your attention to Talk:The Pandorica Opens (TV story)#Name. When the bot gets finished checking every damned page in mainspace, I'll need you to move The Pandorica Opens (Painting) to The Pandorica Opens. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 02:06, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. Well, it appears you've already made the switch before the bot finished its work. The switch stopped the bot in its duties, so I've got to go back and figure out where precisely it got to. There's a chance that the automatic switch won't ultimately be as complete as I would've liked, but I did get the vast majority of them before you made the switch. For some reason, there's a "ghost image" hanging around of linkage to several un-related stories (thanks to the link being in a template), but these are "false" links. Probably just have to wait a few days for the system to adjust. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 15:09, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
It's not that big a deal. I just wanted to tell you why we might still have a few (<30) stragglers. The job went from just saying "Okay, look at everything in Category:Time-Space Visualiser to having to figure out which individual categories the stragglers are in. Basically the job isn't really for a bot anymore — it's down to a manageable hand-edit job, which, frankly, I just don't want to do —but I'll keep going for a bit and let you know when I've gotten to the point where I'm, rather lazily, over it. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 15:19, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
Okay the bot's work is done. And I don't mean by that, "I'm done working with the bot on this issue." I mean, it's actually finished. There are a ton (>50) of "ghost links" still persisting, but when you actually go to the articles, they are properly linked. These links will hopefully fall away after a while. The only problem I have is that I don't actually remember what the legitimate links to the painting were. I think there were only a few, but the premature deletion of The Pandorica Opens (Painting) makes it harder to assess what might have originally been there. The only links persisting there are to pages not in mainspace. I guess I could go through the creating editor's contribution history but —oh, what the hell, I'll do that and hope that's all that should be legitimately linked to the painting at present. Anyway, job done. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 17:21, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
FYI, CzechOut, you missed a few, specifically the ones that used the {{DW}} and {{DW 2}} templates. There were a couple of other links you missed for some reason. Not sure how, but they're all fixed. I also forced refreshes on all of the other pages to clean up the cached links too. -- sulfur 17:55, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
Slight, related, followup. The {{DW}} template does something we used to do on Memory Alpha with the #ifexist calls. We found that the use of that template call actually made the Wiki software think that the link did exist for "what links here" and the "most wanted" pages. Just fyi. -- sulfur 18:02, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
Ahhhh, of course. Totally forgot about {{DW}}. Thanks for catchin' that. So did you guys find a fix to the "what links here" and "most wanted' false links? CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 21:27, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
Yes. We moved all episodes to "XXX (episode)", and had redirects pointing there when there was no in-universe article to put there. Not the prettiest, but it works. -- sulfur 21:58, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Community involvement with the italics/quotes issue

I obviously value discussions and consensus decision-making too. That's why I use the fora and talk pages with great frequency. You keep making the point of seeking discussion as if it's something I'm not doing. But is that fair? We're talking about a change that I clearly want to make, that I have the tools to make with relative ease, and about which I actually don't think there is any logical resistance. To me, this is like arguing over whether the sky is blue. And yet . . I've made no substantive moves on the matter in the 18 months the discussion has been open. How much more dedicated do you want me to be to using the fora? Even by our standards, this discussion has been ongoing, unresolved, for a ridiculously long time. Let's face it, if you were on board with this idea, you wouldn't be behaving so cautiously. And reluctance and caution are both fine things. But please don't shade the issue as if I'm trying to do something improper by seeking closure on an 18-month-old discussion. Most of my major actions on this wiki have only been made after at least some period of discussion on the fora or talk pages. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 06:46, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Of course it's a 18-month discussion and not just two spurts of activity. It's significant that no one else has posted in that time. I think it indicates that they don't care, and that they want us to settle the matter. You can't make people interested enough in a topic that they'll post. Some things attract attention; some things don't. You can't force people to use the fora. If you wanna try the canvassing thing, cool. For me, canvassing has produced mixed results in the past, but what the heck. Again, though, let's not make this out to be a question of failing to involve the community. That's wholly unfair. This topic has been out there, and several times at the top of the list of topics at the Panopticon. It's not like this has been buried on your talk page. People have read it, and chosen to ignore it, just like they did the K9 discussion. Arguing the finer points of punctuation isn't gonna set the world on fire, but somebody has to bring it up and take a stand on it. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 07:27, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
I'm really glad you've gotten more input at the forum thread, but I do think the precise language you've used to drive people there was a little less than neutral. Instead of saying something bland like, "Could you please come to this forum thread and give your opinion", you went further than I would and said, "I'm not comfortable with . . . " — which kinda suggests that something "fishy" was going on. People will have naturally gone to that page with greater suspicion than was necessary. I'm not angry or anything. I don't think you were actually trying to "load" the discussion with people "on your side". And I absolutely understand what you were trying to say in the full sentence. You were saying that you were uncomfortable with just two people having the discussion, which is a perfectly valid point.
But I do think some people might have focused merely on the fact that you said you were uncomfortable rather than parsing the whole sentence. And as you're viewed as the senior admin who tends to "close" these discussions, such word choice can have a devastating effect upon genuine conversation. It's a bit like one's boss saying, "I'm uncomfortable; aren't you uncomfortable, too?" And that feeling of discomfort could be then applied to the thing being proposed, especially as you are uncomfortable with the proposal. Again, I'm not suggesting intentionality or anything like that, but that's a subliminal vibe that's possible to infer. It's so important to consensus building that people be alerted to a discussion in as neutral a way as possible, as is suggested at the Wikipedia guidelines on canvassing. In the interests of avoiding anything like this in the future, I have therefore brought over a simplified version of {{Please see}} from Wikipedia. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 20:25, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry that my words upset you. I thought they would reassure you. After all, having the tools to do something, but not doing them, surely shows restraint and responsibility. In this instance in particular, where I really don't understand the community response, I think it shows a demonstrable respect for the community-building process. You seem to start from the position that I'm a loose cannon or something, and that baffles me. Given that you've had other admin around here saying things on talk pages like, "Nah, don't ask anybody, just do it," I'd have thought the amount that I talk about things before doing them a refreshing change. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 17:50, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Formatting the Doctors

Hey. You were part of the discussion above. I was wondering if you could have a look at the discussion as I have given a new reply including an example page, and maybe we could start discussing it again now that we'll have time before the Christmas special. Also, I think it'd be good to get the rest of the community's opinions if you could ask them to join. Thanks. The Thirteenth Doctor 20:53, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

The Time Field

As we Know the Finale has aired but yet nobody has made a decision. So Please Could you move the Time Field to the Time Crack! I am Only asking to change this because in the big bang the doctor says amy is not a ordinary girl because she grew up with a Time CRACK in her wall not time field. so please could you move it? From Liamhenney 18:29, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Premature page creation

With the new episodes of SJA and one title released for series 6 of Doctor Who, there are a lot of articles being created prematurely. The titles are subject to change and the pages are absolutely bare. Is there any way that you can delete them, and protect them from being recreated so many times? If you can't, I'd suggest that they just be made into redirects to the series 4 (for SJA) and 6 (for DW) pages, then protected. Thanks. The Thirteenth Doctor 18:51, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

PREMATURE PAGE DELETION - I object to Thirteenth Doctor's constant adding of deletion tags to pages where there is no consensus in favor of deleting. Given that discussions were still ongoing as to whether the pages should be deleted, and as many people had spoken in favor of keeping the pages as had asked to delete them, more if you count the people who had created (and then recreated - different people each time) and contributed to the pages (people contributing obviously feel the pages are valid), coming along and deleting the pages was premature. There is no policy that I can find that supports Thirteenth Doctor's desire not to create pages for episodes until the episode has actually aired, and he's clearly ignoring the majority opinions of people editing the site. 94.6.83.73 12:43, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'll grant the fact that there is little available information on the episodes yet. However, (1) what annoys me is that a small handful of editors seem to want to lay ownership claims to the site. They ignore the lack of consensus for their deletionist preference, wanting no pages created until the episodes have aired in case details change, which isn't site policy - and besides, this is a wiki, so it's simple enough to amend things, plus the nature of a wiki means the viewpoint they espouse is unenforcible unless you block every user but them; (2) that while there was little information, what was there outside of thie rumors sections was verifiable and cited. What is wrong with stub entries? More info can be added as it comes to light, but only if there is a page there for it; how long do you keep the page deleted and locked that way? What level of information is "enough information"? 94.6.83.73 13:05, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

  • As stated on the formatting rules for the page, "At the very least, an article should have a basic behind-the-scenes description of the story and basic synopsis, the correct templates, an image from the story and a cast list. Please do not attempt to do a television story article if you are unable to provide these.". We don't have those things for any of the pages. Please protect them from being created. --The Thirteenth Doctor 11:19, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

For anyone interested ive made a short story page where people make a short story on a new page then link it to my page. Doctor Who Wiki Original Stories 12thDoc 17:16, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry cos i've been doing it. SORRY! Ghastly9090 17:58, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


User:Finister2

Hi, User:Finister2 has continued making false categories despite several past warnings. I feel this may warrant for a block the amount of times he has done it. ☆The Solar Dragon 20:48, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

User:Duelfight

Hi, I don't know if this warrants blocking, but User:Duelfight posted some very rude things on my Talk page, if you could look at his messages and tell me if he can be blocked from my Talk page or not, that would be great. Thanks. ♠ Time Lady River ♠ 16:06, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

He has said he believes in "compensation". That's what the part about New York is for on TLR's page. And he's added some to my talk page as well when I confronted him about his aggressive attitude, and has several times wiped his talk page. I know that wiping your own talk page is acceptable, but it seems as though he's trying to make it seem as though he has done nothing wrong. The Thirteenth Doctor 19:31, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Tangerineduel! I appreciate it, no problem about the blocking part. ♠ Time Lady River ♠ 05:46, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia

Hey, is there a site used by wikia where pages are simply uneditable and presentable pages, like you would see in a book. I'll try and explain better. Does wiki have two halves to it, the editing stage, in which users use this site to edit and improve, and another site where they display the articles as though it would never be changed, like in a book? If not, we may have a serious problem. If you have a look here you can see the End of Time page on that site. If you compare it with our version, it is almost exactly the same, with only a few minor changes. From what I can see the only difference between the opening paragraphs of that page and ours is that ours marks it as David Tennant's "final appearance" and they call it "swansong", a phrase which actually was in use on our page the last time it was edited. Would this site not count as plagiarizing our site? --The Thirteenth Doctor 23:39, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

They can use it due to the licensing used here. The problem is... they are not listing any credit, source, or licensing information on their page, which is a big problem. I would strongly suggest contacting Wikia about this because the license is such that a source (at a minimum) must be listed I believe. -- sulfur 12:43, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't find the article for tv shows etc referencing Doctor Who, so I searched "references to doctor who wiki" on Google, and it was the sixth result down on the list. It said Doctor Who wiki, but had a different web address so I checked it out, and that's when I found the similar stuff. --The Thirteenth Doctor 14:51, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Help with discussion

Hey, can you please state you view on the discussion I am having in the forums here. Its about the navigation template, and I am would like you views on them, and how we can improve them (ChzechOut's idea) or if we should remove them. Cheers. Mini-mitch 22:19, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

User:Finister2

This user has been creating categories again even after being warned several times. The Thirteenth Doctor 15:51, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

The Full Wiki

Hey, I was just wondering if we'd got any reply about the Full Wiki? --The Thirteenth Doctor 21:40, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and this user has ignored several warnings but has continued to add false categories to several pages. The Thirteenth Doctor 22:07, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

IPs in the Howling

Hey. In the howling as of late, there's been a few IPs that have been making negative comments about other users, myself included, and accusations of spamming threads, hypocritically I might add. One of them seems to be switching IPs slightly nearly every day, so it's kind of hard to find which one they are using at the time, but the two that are really being negative towards others begin with 203 and 222, though in the Valeyard forum, 203 was implied to also be 222 . The forums they were most recently active in were Forum:Valeyard, Forum:River / Rory, Forum:5 things to look for: Red telephone/red phonebox, Forum:Regeneration limit?, Forum:Who do you want to play the doctor and Forum:Off-screen Ten/River meetings. There may be more than those forums, but I was wondering if you could talk to them. I think an Admin's warning might do better than anyone else's, as Mini-Mitch already warned one of them. Thanks. --The Thirteenth Doctor 13:03, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

  • About one minute after you posted a reply on my page "you're just making yourself sound even more brainless than everyone originally thought" was directed at me on the Valeyard forum. Earlier in the week on the Red telephone forum there was the comment made to two users "Did you have your brains lobotomized by the Daleks/Cybermen?". In the same forum "God, get a brain,even a Cyberman exoskeleton's AI knows how to do that" and "I suggest you bury yourself -- you are just wasting time and Earth's resources", again at me. And on the Regeneration limit forum, "Yay, 1 for Jack Chilli for posting the most stupid and far-fetched speculative comment that sounds like it's written by a 3 year old boy.", this time directed at Jack Chilli. I'm pretty sure these would count as personal attacks on users. --The Thirteenth Doctor 17:13, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • And one has now given me a warning for non existent vandalism. The Thirteenth Doctor 09:49, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
  • I want to request a block for User:203.168.176.42. Quoted from the forum; "Thirteenth is one-tenth of a heavily damaged single-cell organism compared to you". This IP now has a personal vendetta against me, even going so far as to undo perfectly good edits, calling them vandalism and giving me a warning. --The Thirteenth Doctor 10:01, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Constant Vandalism by User The Thirteenth Doctor in the Monster Files' article

The user the Thirteenth Doctor keeps on insisting using a less accurate edition of the article despite a personal message has been sent to him to ask him not to vandalise the article:


The older edit says:


The videos are streamed via the BBC's official Doctor Who website; like virtually all videos on the site, the clips are "geofenced" due to licensing and are technically not allowed to be viewed outside of the UK (though they are widely circulated anyway). As of 2010, none of these clips have been released on DVD.


which explicitly says that all the Monster Files clips are geofenced, but the Thirteenth Doctor insists on using his edition even going so far as to undoing what others have undone, which says:


The videos are streamed via the BBC's official Doctor Who website. Virtually all videos on the site are "geofenced" due to licensing and are technically not allowed to be viewed outside of the UK, though they are widely circulated anyway. None of these clips have been released on DVD or as any other form of media.


which removes the certainty that all the clips are geofenced, and can easily interpreted as not every single Monster Files video is geofenced. He also removed other information on the article such as the release information was "as of 2010". This exact reason was remarked when his edit was undone, but he insists on re-undoing it regardless. He also threatened the user with this message "Do not give other users warnings of vandalism when vandalism is non existent. That is considered vandalism in itself. The Thirteenth Doctor 09:55, August 2, 2010 (UTC)" I don't want to keep on undoing the article so please do something about it.


Moreover, the user has, for some odd reason, tried to spam the Howling by typing responses that do not deal with the topic whatsoever such as Forum:Series 6 things where Dragonfree OVER 4,500 Animal Crossing Wiki EDITS's original question is responded by "There's an IP who you totally don't want to hear you having said that.... The Thirteenth Doctor 12:42, August 1, 2010 (UTC)"...a completely irrelevant response to the thread. I understand the Howling is for discussion, but he keeps on turning it into a fan forum with meaningless responses. Whenever he is asked to stop spamming the threads with meaningless responses, he would response with "stop insulting people, or you should leave" or posting other irrelevant remarks with completely no contribution to the thread or even going so far as to starting new unecessary threads. Please do whatever you can. Thank you very much. --222.166.181.217 11:12, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Policies

Ok. Thanks for the links. From now on, I'll refer the users to the policies first. The Thirteenth Doctor 17:56, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

User:Mini-Mitch

The user has tagged a series of threads in the Howling for deletion, and a lot of these threads such as:

Discuss.|So, the Universe is over and Rory has a chat to dead Amy: Discuss.]]

I'm only reading the top 20 threads, and as you can see, half of them are legitimate good threads -- the pattern continues throughout all the threads Mini-Mitch tagged, and Mini-Mitch didn't give any reason to tagging any of the threads. Yes, there are also the other half of the threads which are too off-topic and speculative, but now that Mini-Mitch raised all these outdated threads from old series to the top of the forum, it's essentially impossible to navigate the Howling and because of what he/she did, there was almost no legitimate new posts to the forum because it's a complete mess now. The deletion tag clearly states that: A deletion rationale should be on the Talk page. Your comments are welcome there. If the article is an obvious candidate for deletion, however, the editor might have left behind the rationale on a note in the [history]. If no cause has been given by the editor who placed this tag, the tag may be removed. Otherwise, please do not remove this notice without consensus. And there is no rationale left behind on any of the pages, and I'm pretty certain no one wants to remove the last 40 something tags Mini-Mitch placed or type in the reasons for him/her for half of the legitimate ones. Is there something you could do to restore the Howling before she raised all those outdated threads? --222.166.181.77 09:45, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

  • I'm posting here since it seems impossible to talk to you since you keep switching IPs. It was agreed in the forums that all posts not within the policies should be deleted. That's why they are being deleted. If anyone so wishes to see any new pages the can see them in the recent changes or the new pages page. --The Thirteenth Doctor 12:44, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
  • I don't why The Thirteenth Doctor is posting on your talk page, but Tangerineduel, can you please look over the threads above and see if you think the tags were appropriately placed? Please also take a look at the Howling and see how many outdated old threads from the older series are raised to the top of the forum. Both methods described by The Thirteenth Doctor won't help not only because they are little known but recent changes list all the threads that have been tagged and new pages display all new pages in the entire TARDIS Index File. Mini-Mitch's selections of threads for deletion are very random, and many of the threads contain possible discussions that may carry off to the next series and he/she gave no rationale for deleting these threads. Is there any way you can restore the forum threads' order and stop Mini-Mitch raising all these old threads and tagging legitimate threads? --222.166.181.18 14:15, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

User IP 222

I just want to let you know that the IP 222 removed your warning from the IP 203's page about the block and replaced it with this. After I reverted it, 222 undid my edit, putting it back, then continued to give me warnings of vandalism in the howling, using the policies that had only just been created, even after you had told them that it was not vandalism or spam in the howling. As the user keeps changing IP it is hard to get a message to them, so you may be better simply replying on your own talk page so they can definitely see it. --The Thirteenth Doctor 12:54, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

  • I thought users are not suppose to modify another person's talk page without permission. The talk page cleanup described was permitted by 203, on the other hand, The Thirteenth Doctor keeps on undoing the said talk page regardless of how he has been warned. --222.166.181.18 14:15, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Hiding "Forum talk" links on Forum pages

Since the "Forum talk:" namespace is not really used, it might be worth adding the following CSS to your Mediawiki:Common.css file. It will hide the "Discussion" link in the upper right corner when viewing the Forum: namespace. 

/***********************************************************
** Hiding "discussion" link in ns:Forum
*/
.ns-100 * li#ca-talk {
	display:none;
}

Might stop some of those random anons putting stuff into "Forum talk:" pages rather than the desired "Forum:" pages. -- sulfur 13:42, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

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