Talk:Fourteenth Doctor

Cowards?

you are cowards – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.228.4.131 (talk).

For doing what?

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22:48, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your inaccurate assessment. May you have a blessed day. —Danniesen ☎ 19:14, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

It's not a suit

Its a waistcoat – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jijones (talk • contribs) .

Thanks for pointing it out! I'll correct it now.

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23:06, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Is this the 14th Doctor?

Can we really be sure that this is the Fourteenth Doctor? We still don’t know what happened and there was a lot of talk about degenerating in this episode. Tennant might not be the Fourteenth Doctor any more than the Master was. <—-spoiler content was removed. —->. 73.132.191.69^{talk to me} 04:10, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

There's a BBC press release/website post that calls him the 14th. If they change it later we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. For now he's the 14th. Najawin ☎ 04:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh com'on, we all knew it would end up being David. They simply had no other choice considering how low the franchise has fallen over the years. XD--ModestyElyonLane ☎ 08:10, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

That's kind of besides the point, ModestyElyonLane.. TheGreatGabester ☎ 14:17, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

It’s also wildly inaccurate despite people continuing to cry about it. Danniesen ☎ 10:18, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Vortex Butterfly

I'm a little confused; how's the 'Vortex Butterfly' quote relevant? That's referring to the number of possible incarnations, not about 'revisiting' faces. TheGreatGabester ☎ 12:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

It refers to the fact that the Doctor will have more than 12 regenerations, so it's become tradition to quote it on the page for every incarnation produced by a regeneration after the Doctor's twelfth. Whether that's a good tradition is another matter. – n8 (☎) 16:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Paisley Tie

Appearance section states he is wearing paisley tie but it just isn't. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alanogue (talk • contribs) .

Current main image

The current main image is from the 60th anniversary preview. I thought images from previews weren't allowed? WaltK ☎ 02:41, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

And now it's from the comic? How are images settled upon? Surely a grab from the Centenary special is the most obvious? FractalDoctor ☎ 23:17, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Right now, in terms of officially released stories, COMIC: Liberation of the Daleks seems to be the best available image for an infobox. I'm sure it'll become a TV screenshot after the next episode, though. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 23:59, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't quite understand the logic behind replacing the still with the comic image; why is it the best available image, exactly? Because he's wearing a more neutral expression, or something? I can't think of any other reason not to use a still from the episode. TheGreatGabester ☎ 17:24, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree. It might be because pictures where the subject is looking left are preferred, but that's by no means a requirement. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 17:26, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I suggest you guys read Tardis:Guide to images and Help:Image cheat card; in short, it's a combination of a. the character facing left, b. it being a non-blurry image (the best images we can get from Power unfortunately are cropped in and don't look great resolution-wise), c. a neutral expression (something the Doctor lacks in Power, as y'know, his face is scrunched up in confusion). While usually images are chosen from a character's primary story medium, which usually is television... this isn't yet the case, as the Fourteenth Doctor's only story so far is a comic, and a scene at the end of another Doctor's episode doesn't really count.

The page will more than likely use a television screenshot eventually, but from the images available currently, the comic image is superior. In an ideal world we'd use a promotional image, but unfortunately this Wiki has weird policies that no other rational Wikis have, and we can't even change the policies as our policies are currently performing a Catch-22.

TL;DR: television ≠ (automatically) best image for an infobox.

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17:33, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

You needn't make such a suggestion because I've already read it.

a) Shambala said at Talk:Dodo Chaplet that looking left is "no big deal".

b) File:Fourteenth Doctor.jpg, for example, can hardly be described as "blurry".

c) The pictures for the First Doctor or Second Doctor aren't neutral.

I'm not saying that the current image is inappropriate, but that an image from the TV series would be no worse than this one. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 18:16, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I much prefer the previous image, the one from the television episode. I don't see what was wrong with it? DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 18:26, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Regarding points a. and c., they're exceptions to the rules; but that's just it, they're exceptions. Under some circumstances images of characters facing right are allowed or having non-neautral expressions, yadda yadda, but they are not the standard as laid out by the policies.

Justifying a television screenshot just because it's a television screenshot regardless of quality on the basis that "oh but on this page an exception has been made" is counterintuitive. The comic illustration best satisfies the rules, even if we don't agree with them, and we unfortunately need to abide by those rules.

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18:53, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Another perspective: you guys are saying "why is the comic illustration better", but can I ask you, why is the television screenshot better?

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18:56, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

My two cents: there seems to be some confusion over whether this is a requirement/rule that needs to be strictly enforced, or merely a guideline. It would seem important for everyone to be on the same page. (I don't claim to know the answer, I'm a newcomer to the wiki.) TheGreatGabester ☎ 19:07, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

A screenshot from the television story is by no means required to be the image. Nor is it the best we have. Besides, we don’t usually use post-regeneration images when more options are available. —Danniesen ☎ 19:11, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

In that case, further protracted and opinionated arguments about which image is better will probably take place. Maybe it makes sense to 'default to' the comic image for now, if it fits the guidelines the best; still, these guidelines seem a bit arbitrary and overly-fussy, if you ask me. TheGreatGabester ☎ 19:27, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I think the rule at actual stake here is the "primary medium is preferred" rule that recently vexed us on the matter of Bernice Summerfield. I think at this stage it's fair to argue that comics are the Fourteenth Doctor's "primary medium": it's the only one in which he's yet headlined a story. An image from a story where this Doctor is the main character should prima facie be preferred to one from a story where he only has a short cameo appearance at the very end. Obviously, if ("if") the Fourteenth Doctor were to star in full-length TV stories in the future, a screenshot from these would clearly take precedence over the comic image — but until then? I think it's a fair argument to make. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 19:23, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

TheGreatGabester; these guidelines seem a bit arbitrary and overly-fussy, if you ask me... trust us, we know. We’re working on changing that. Unfortunately, for the time being, certain... obstacles... are making it a tough task to deal with. ——Danniesen ☎ 00:42, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Hopefully things should open up for change on Monday or Tuesday. The holiday meant no progress on that front was happening today. Najawin ☎ 00:50, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I understand; we've been dealing with similar administrative issues over at Stranger Things Wiki recently. TheGreatGabester ☎ 21:23, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

First Actor to Play Multiple Numbered Incarnations

Surely it should be pointed out that this is the first instance of an actor playing two mainline numbered incarnations. I feel like that has some significance in that the Fourteenth Doctor is a mainline Nth Doctor in a way the Curators, alternate Doctors and Shalka/Fatal Death aren't. IRegisteredForTimelines ☎ 05:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

This is noteworthy, yes. I have added it to the page in the BTS section. I already added this on List of Doctor Who television stories a good while ago. Danniesen ☎ 10:27, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

It's a tweed overcoat, not a trenchcoat.

Looks more as an overcoat of tweed instead of a trenchcoat. I zero know why people mistake it for a trenchcoat.