Talk:List of titles that reference other works

Recursive references

How do we deal with stories that reference DWU titles that are already references? Arguably The Two Irises or The Two Jasons are references to The Two Doctors moreso than to The Three Doctors, even as The Two Doctors was itself a reference to The Three Doctors… What should we do? Footnotes? List them twice?

Actually, there's already a non-DWU example. A Comedy of Terrors: reference to Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors — or to the Vincent Price film actually called The Comedy of Terrors?

Then there are the references to Doctor Who-related non-fiction. (Which pose their own puzzle besides. What Has Happened to the Magic of 'Doctor Who'? is currently wedged in the general "non-fiction" table but that hardly seems ideal…) The Doctor's Tale evokes, yes, the segments within the Canterburty Tales, which the setting bears out; but to a Whovian it evokes RTD's own riff on the title format in The Writer's Tale. The two things called Lost in Time are at some level Lost in Space jokes, but there's also the seminal missing episodes collection to think of… --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 01:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Not sure what's with the placement of What Has Happened..., as that one is definitely fiction. It's a parody of Doctor Who fans, culminating in a Doctor Who letter from 2063 involving all sorts of wacky things.

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02:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

The tables are sorted by medium of the thing being referenced, not of the referencer. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 04:24, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I think this is fairly simple. If the work references a particular rendition of the title, that is the work we should say it is referencing. With an explanatory footnote, of course. We are already doing this for The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors on this page. I think this is an extension of the "for the sake of simplicity" rule given in the lead, albeit with a somewhat different outcome. There are cases which warrant duplication, such as Snow White and the Seven Keys to Doomsday, which references both Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and The Seven Keys to Doomsday in a portmanteau of titles. As for The Doctor's Tale, I'm not sure we have any evidence that The Writer's Tale was even considered when naming the story? It never even crossed my mind. Danochy ☎ 08:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Some interesting cases

How would we deal with The Vardon Horse and The Trojan Dalek, clearly they reference the Trojan Horse, but that is a term that comes much later than the works they are referencing. Furthermore there is no one work which features the horse that we could say is being referenced.

Is AUDIO: The Bonfires of the Vanities a reference to the 1497 event or the 1987 novel? Danochy ☎ 11:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

There's also AUDIO: The Elysian Blade, which references the Elysian Fields. Perhaps we could have a new section for mythological or folkloric allusions? Danochy ☎ 12:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

PROSE: Twilight of the Gods / Twilight of the Gods / COMIC: Twilight of the Silurians may be a reference to Ragnarok or maybe to Götterdämmerung? Danochy ☎ 12:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

AUDIO: Shadow of Death is a Biblical reference. Danochy ☎ 12:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)