Howling:Series 5 episodes
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This is a list of all episode names, writers and directors and part summary plots:
- The Eleventh Hour written by Steven Moffat and directed by Adam Smith
- The Beast Below written by Steven Moffat and directed by Andrew Gunn
- Victory Of The Daleks written by Mark Gatiss and directed by Andrew Gunn
(Features Daleks and Winston Churchill in World War 2) - Time of Angels written by Steven Moffat and directed by Adam Smith
- Flesh and Stone written by Steven Moffat and directed by Adam Smith
(Both features River Song and the Weeping Angels) - Vampires of Venice written by Toby Whithouse and directed by Jonny Campbell
(Features Vampires in Tudor dress) - Circus of Nightmares written by Simon Nye and directed by ?
- |Heat Wave written by Chris Chibnall and directed by Ashley Way
- Cold Blood written by Chris Chibnall and directed by Ashley Way
(Both features armed reptilian creatures) - Vincent and the Doctor written by Richard Curtis and directed by Jonny Campbell
(Features Vincent van Gogh stabbing a yellow monster) - The Robot Revolution written by Gareth Roberts and directed by ?
(Features Robots taking over Japan in the future) - The Pandorica Opens written by Steven Moffat and directed by Euros Lynn
- The Heart of Darkness written by Steven Moffat and directed by Euros Lynn
the twelfth doctor 18:38, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
(Please sign your posts or they will be deleted) Michael Downey 22:08, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
The incorrect grammar in "Circus of Nightmare's", "Vampire's of Venice", unusual phrasing of "The Helping of War" and lack of an appearance in a Google search suggests a generous helping of salt should be taken. However, I live to be proven wrong! Cannon881 22:12, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
They are the titles just spelt wrong by me soz lol and I don't know about the helping of war lol the correct one is now aboveMichael Downey 22:17, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
Can you source these? They seem promising :) Haven't got DWM in a few months if it's them :P Cannon881 22:26, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
No I can't source them but I do believe them as I got them from a blog website months back and have only published them now because most of them come true so I trust and presume the other information will be true. Michael Downey 23:16, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I have a source which mostly agrees with Downeys episode ideas. The source is: http://lifetheuniverseandcombom.blogspot.com/2009/11/doctor-who-series-5-episode-titles.html Matta jr 01:12, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, those 6 working titles have circulated for a while. Not the other 7, though. -- Noneofyourbusiness 13:57, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
Most of the titles that were announced before turned out true, no doubt that these won't, either. The Heart of Darkness, aye? I remember a line from one of the Doctor's dakrest enemies that almost mimiced the name of the series 5 finale. It's going to be interesting to see what the heart of darkness refers to, though I have an opinion. Delton Menace 14:48, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
Share your opinion Delton Menace. Michael Downey 14:52, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
Eh, I'm only basing it on a recurring theme of 666 (similar to how Bad Wolf kept appearing the last four series) and a quite that is very similar the the finale title: "I am the heart that beats in the darkness" (stated by the Beast) and "The Heart of Darkness". The only thing I could imagine by called The Heart of Darkness is him. I mean, that's what he is. The heart that beats in the darkness, as he said so himself. So I believe the episode title is refering to him.
Plus, since Moffat is known to write dark stories, it fits. I could easily imagine that Moffat would write a story about Satan (he did it once before where a being claimed to be Satan) for his finale. I mean, why not? Personal theroy: the series 5 finale will feature the Beast, being a darker season and the episode title being similar to his self-quote.
Some people hear despise me for thinking the Beast will ever return (maybe I sound Satanic?), but he doesn't seem liuke the type of enemy that would be killed off forever. Even the Doctor was unaware if he actually got rid of him - just stating that he presumed it was beaten. People evidence against me is that he was a one-off enemy, meaning he can't return.
But we all remember Baf Wolf, Torchwood, Vote Saxon, and the dissapearing bees, right? Then why dismiss how 666 has appeared in many episodes spanning from series 1 all the way to Planet of the Dead, and then the mention a demon in The End of Time, an event involving a demon and the Doctor, an event that hasn't happened yet on-screen. There are two assumtions: the writers are are trying to piss off relgious people by putting the Beast's number in every series revived of Doctor Who to date in lots of different episodes (the exact same they did with Bad Wolf, Torchwood, Vote Saxon, ect..), or it is a hidden plot device concerning a future finale featuring the Beast, presumably the series 5 finale: The Heart of Darkness.
I'd go with the later (plot device). Otherwise, we have to assume the writers hate religion. But that's Doctor Who for you - when something keeps recurring, it means something. in Doctor Who, there truly is no such thing as coincidence - everything has some meaning to the storyline of a to-be finale. Delton Menace 16:19, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
Cool theory but I'd like the dust to settle on the Devil for a long long time before he returns. I just really hope it's a new villain to look forward to in the future of Doctor Who, Steven Moffat has the mind to create a good one so who knows. Michael Downey 16:32, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
Meh, I hope it's not the Beast, I'd prefer either a completely new villain or a revamped classic one, like Ice Warriors or something like that. The episode names sound cool, hopefully the episodes will air in March or earlier. The evil dude. 18:11, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
He was featured quite a few year ago now, though. But by saying I want him featured, I mean that I want the episode in general to explore the nature of demons in the Whoniverse. If he is featured, it gives us the chance to learn more about Whoniverse mythology and the pre-universe. That's honestly my favourite thing in the series: the mythology, pre-universe, and the mention of demons and gods. There aren't enough episodes that ever explore that nature. Delton Menace 01:41, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Another reason to not doubt the more recently revealed episode titles is because the titles match what was seen in the trailer. For example, Circus of Nightmares sounds accurate for the title of an episode because the trailer has several instacnes where we see a strange circus, one scene of which shows a creepy, moving robtic head in the circus as if it was turning by itself to look at someone. Sounds like a nightmarish circus to me. Delton Menace 02:35, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Personally, I like Delton Menace's idea. It would certainly be interesting to learn more about the Beast, as he seemed to not be explored too much in The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit. But Delton I do have a few queries:
- Where are these '666s' and what episodes?
- Moffet didn't write the Beast story so why would he bring it back?
I personally am glad that the Daleks are not in the finale - after 3 instances where they were. The Beast would be good as a finale but I hope it is something even more special and surprising. Matta jr 16:15, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Great! When does the series start? I've heard it's February. The Twelfth Doctor 20:49, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Yay, someone actually likes my idea for once! I think we need a villain like because he is, well, ancient. Pre-universe and everything, part of the Whoniverse mythology.
To answer you two questions, the number 666 was in: The Christmas Invasion, The Impossible Planet, Doomsday, Last of the Time Lords (debatable lone 6), Voyage of the Damned, Midnight, The Stolen Earth, Planet of the Dead, and an episode of Torchwood series 1. It is even even more episodes than listed there, but they're all the episodes I have seen/heard the number in so far. I don't know who made an edit, but according to someone a while ago, the number also appeared in The Next Doctor. When appearing, it's normally hidden in a way that the viewers has to pay attention.
One example is: at one point in the impossible planet, the Doctor says something to the effect of "Delivering 6 charges to the 6th power every 6 minutes"
Another: in "The Planet of the Dead" when the Doctor is trying to contact U.N.I.T and mistakenly calls "Pizza Geronimo" he reminds himself that the number is '7 6 not 6 7' which when typed using a phone would be 7 -666- 867
In The Stolen Earth, when the Doctor was exterminated, the coordinates of the location was Grid reference 666.
In The Christmas Invasion: the dialouge near the end goes:
Doctor: "I could bring your government down in a single word."
Harriet: "You're the most remarkable man I've ever met, but I don't think you're capable of that."
Doctor: "You're right, not a single world. Just six."
"Harriet: "I don't think so."
Doctor: "Six words."
Harriet: "Stop it!"
Doctor: "Six."
In Midnight, one of the passangers shouts "666!" to the Midnight entity. In Last of the Time Lords, when the Master looks deep into the Time Vortex as a child, at the last second, pause, and the vortex itself becomes the shape of the number 6. In Doomsday, there is 3 different digits, and the Doctor asks Rose to set the three digists to 6, making 666. In Torchwood, in an episode that mentioned the darkness, there were three tapes next to each other, and each tape had the number 6 on, forming three sixes. In Voyage of the Damned, the Doctor was in panic and began shouting random numbers out, and shouted 666.
As for your second question, who writes what is irrelivent. Any can use what enemy they please. Also, the episode itself left the doors open by having the Doctor unsure if he truly defeated the Beast. The episode itself said that he cannot be beaten, and will continue to exist. And then there is how you interpret The End of Time when it mentions a demon and the Doctor in an event that has yet to be chronicled. And the supposed name of the series 5 finale: "The Heart of Darkness" and the Beast's quote about being the heart that beats in the darkness. Delton Menace 03:42, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
When did this whole idea of 666, the Beast is returning come from? I don't think the beast is coming back. It'll definitely be a new monster.
BTW.......is it possible the Reptile men in Cold Blood are Silurians? Thetwelfthdoctor 17:58, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
You obviously haven't been watching Doctor Who very long to ask a question like that. Bad Wolf appearacnes everywhere = Baf Wolf vame, Torchwood kept being mentioned = Torchwood appeared, Vote Saxon Posters = "Harold Saxon" appeared, planets going missing and more Bad Wolf = Davros and Bad Wolf returned. 666 everywhere = The Beast will return. For god's sake to how story arcs mean when something keeps being mentioned, it means something is coming or returning? That, and there were obscure references to the Beast in a few other episodes, too. For the number too appear in all bad situations means that he is controlling bad events. Basically, someone so powerful they MAKE everything bad happen. That's what you call a god, which is what the Beast reprisented. Delton Menace 04:33, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
I've been watching the program ever since 2005 when I was nine years old. I know about the little references throughout season 27-30. But because the Doctor just happens to say the word "Six" three times in the same minute doesn't mean that the beast is coming back. I think what your looking at is called a COINCIDENCE. Anyway, I think they're the Silurians because the background to the Reptiles is identical to the Siluran's ship in Warriors of the Deep.--The Twelfth Doctor 08:54, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
It appears throughout the ENTIRE FOUR SERIES AND THE SPECIALS TOGETHER. Oh, and Torchwood as well. It has had more appearacnes than the Bad Wolf meme, and it's been in EVERY revived series to date AND in Torchwood. Look at my post above, it's in ALL seasons from series 1 right through to The End of Time. And as pointed out in the past, when something keeps coming up in Doctor Who, it is NEVER a coincidence. In Doctor Who, there is no such thing as coincidence, and even that quote was mentioned in The End of Time. In the same scene, ironically, of all things to be mentioned: an unchronicled event where the Doctor fought a demon that came to Earth.
And as the title for the series 5 finale notes, it mimics the Beast's quote about being the heart of darkness, that can never ben destroyed. I think what you're looking at is ignorance. Seriously, look into past things noted about how Doctor Who works- no coincidences, they write words and NUMBERS in for a reason.
You might as well say the fact that Baf Wolf appear for 4 entire seasons is a conincidence. What about 666 appearing for 4 entire seasons AND the specials? It's the same thing, a bloody sotry arc hidden via words or numbers. Someone once said a while ago, closely connected to Doctor Who, "I don't think we've seen the last of the Beast. He very well could return for a finale some day."Delton Menace 14:02, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but you'll notice the Bad Wolf, Vote Saxon etc. are a lot easier to spot. This 666 stuff is impossibly difficult to find. I don't know where it came from, and the beast is a good enemy, but I just don't think it's going to happen. You're going to have to show me some pretty hard evidence if you want me to believe in all of this. The Ninth Doctor talks about Bad Wolf in that sequence in Boom Town. Torchwood is mentioned by Queen Victoria in Tooth and Claw. Harold Saxon is mentioned in the Lazarus Experiment, and 42......all very easy to spot. It's nearly impossible to get this 666 stuff. Look, if the Doctor says 666 or the number six appears by chance in the time vortex or the Ninth Doctor's ears look like the number six for a split second in the Empty Child, it doesn't mean squat. A coincidence until proven. -- The Twelfth Doctor 16:45, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
If you're going to accept 666 references, why not Byzanium references? I mean, the Byzantine calender in The Doctor's Daughter, the obvious crash in series 5, and I'm sure there are others... Are these all just warning us about a crash? Somehow I think not, but I dunno... It seems weird :P Cannon881 21:27, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
In all due respect Delton Menace, you are acting as if this 666 thing is definite. Yes it's a possibility, and there have been subtle hints, but you have to be eagle-eyed to spot them. Because you're so fascinated of this 666 theory, you've been studying hard, and thus spotting the hints. We never know, The Beast could return, you never know what is going to happen with Doctor Who. I'm not saying you're wrong, but remember, he may not appear.BeatOli 21:04, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
The 666 thing is probably just to rile up the conspiratorial fans, who have long discussions about it on this page. Jim393 18:18, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, the Beast is one of the big "theories", up there with Rani Chandra along with any other female being th Rani in disguise.( No offence to fans of the Beast).Excalibur-117 18:36, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
It's being circulated on more than one site that episodes 8 and 9 are supposedly "The Ground Beneath Their Feet" and "Cold Blood" and episode 12 is supposedly "The Pandorica Opens". -- Noneofyourbusiness 21:56, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
