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:Oh. earlier, the same person told me that "the burden of proof [was] on [me] to show that Round 4 Part 3 of divided Loyalties can't be part of the DWU". Immediately after I did so, he locked the discussion, saying it's "unfair to other users". [[Special:Contributions/41.133.0.18|41.133.0.18]]<sup>[[User talk:41.133.0.18#top|talk to me]]</sup> 15:04, November 6, 2012 (UTC) | :Oh. earlier, the same person told me that "the burden of proof [was] on [me] to show that Round 4 Part 3 of divided Loyalties can't be part of the DWU". Immediately after I did so, he locked the discussion, saying it's "unfair to other users". [[Special:Contributions/41.133.0.18|41.133.0.18]]<sup>[[User talk:41.133.0.18#top|talk to me]]</sup> 15:04, November 6, 2012 (UTC) | ||
::One thing I think needs to be made clear. When we tag things NOTDWU, we're not making a judgment on the "official" statement of canon, it is merely a statement of ''what we cover'' on this wiki towards in-universe articles. | |||
::For these we've had several discussions involving inclusion, as was mentioned on the [[Talk:Magnus]] page these are in the [[Forum:Panopticon archives]], many of the pages have been categorised into further categories for ease of searching you can find the; inclusion debates in [[:Category:Inclusion debates]], the discussions relating to changes in policy in [[:Category:Policy changers]] and explanations of policy in [[:Category:Policy explanations]]. All of these have some bearing on your questions. | |||
::You may also wish to see [[Tardis:Valid sources]] which explains these rulings in a simple to follow page. | |||
::As to your query concerning ''[[Death Comes to Time (webcast)]]'' you can read the forum discussion here: [[Forum:Inclusion debate: Death Comes to Time]]. Although I'm not sure what this question has to do with your Magnus question. | |||
::As far as contradictions in the valid sources goes, don't worry about it. It doesn't matter if the valid sources contradict one another, we just present the information. Just because there's contradictions doesn't mean we discount one source, and a contradiction doesn't mean source or another is invalid. As the [[T:VS|valid sources]] states "The DWU has messy continuity. A story can't be declared invalid just because it contradicts other stories". | |||
::Finally "giving the text", a ''small'' quote is fine, but as Shambala108 and CzechOut have said, summarise your statements, the great chunks of unformatted text do not assist the discussion. | |||
::Now to go back to your initial quote which started this whole thing: | |||
:::''He was in a [[Flashback (comic story)|strip]] I commissioned from [[Scott Gray|Warwick Gray]] for the [[DWMS Winter 1992|Time Lord special]] I did at Marvel. In Wick's original, he was called Magus and meant to be the Master but I cocked it up and called him Magnus. When [[David A. McIntee|Dave McIntee]] created Koschei, it struck me on re-reading Wick's strip that the character could just as easily, if not better, be [[the War Chief]]. Which he is in [[Divided Loyalties (novel)|DL]].'' [https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.arts.drwho/zR5mKB0Lqpg Gary Russell rec.arts.drwho 04/11/1999] | |||
::This quote if anything confirms what we have presented in our [[The War Chief]] article. That the War Chief is Magnus, as is in [[Divided Loyalties (novel)]] (or '''DL''' as Russell states). | |||
::In Gray's original, it was ''meant'' to be the Master, but the editor; Russell "cocked it up". | |||
::We take what's presented in the stories as the facts of the DWU universe, not what might have been. What might have been is interesting (when properly sourced), but it's stuff that goes in the "Behind the scenes" section on in-universe articles or the "Notes" section on story articles. | |||
::I think from that incorrect assumption you running with that theory and creating an argument to sustain it. But going by your initial point that began this discussion, what appears in ''Flashback'' is pretty much what we've got on this wiki at the moment. Russell might have made a mistake in his editing of the strip, but later he didn't attempt a ret-con of the story, he read McIntee's ''[[The Dark Path (novel)|The Dark Path]]'' which is where Koschei comes from and wrote Magnus/the War Chief into ''Divided Loyalties'', influenced in part by ''Flashback''. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 06:37, November 7, 2012 (UTC) | |||
