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:::: No, that's not what I'm saying. "Silence must fall" isn't a prophecy, it's a belief. The Silence ''believe'' that the Doctor must never reach Trenzalore and that his silence must fall when the Question is asked. If they kill him before he can get to Trenzalore, then when the Question is asked, it will be met with silence, because the only person who can answer the Question (aside from River, who everyone seems to forget to account for but who wouldn't be there anyway if the Doctor were dead) is dead. However, they failed to kill him, so he went to Trenzalore, and, had River not intervened and answered for him, he would have answered the GI's question and given him access to the tomb. That's what the Silence want to prevent by killing the Doctor early, because if the GI invades the Doctor's tomb, he will undo all of the good deeds that the Doctor did and cause the universe to break down. As the "sentinels of history," they would probably want to keep it safe. Simply killing the Doctor at Lake Silencio won't cause the universe to collapse (or at least it wouldn't have, if River had done as she was supposed to), and all of the worlds that he saved would still be there. However, if the GI goes into the Doctor's timeline (which he can only do if the Question is answered), he tears apart the Doctor's history and endangers all of time and space. Killing the Doctor at Lake Silencio is the lesser of two evils, as it prevents the Doctor from being able to answer the Question and giving the GI access to his tomb. The original, actual prophecy makes no mention of silence falling, so that isn't something that would normally be fulfilled at Trenzalore. Silence would only have fallen if the Silence had succeeded in killing the Doctor before he could get to Trenzalore. [[User:Ensephylon|Ensephylon]] [[User talk:Ensephylon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:03, May 20, 2013 (UTC) | :::: No, that's not what I'm saying. "Silence must fall" isn't a prophecy, it's a belief. The Silence ''believe'' that the Doctor must never reach Trenzalore and that his silence must fall when the Question is asked. If they kill him before he can get to Trenzalore, then when the Question is asked, it will be met with silence, because the only person who can answer the Question (aside from River, who everyone seems to forget to account for but who wouldn't be there anyway if the Doctor were dead) is dead. However, they failed to kill him, so he went to Trenzalore, and, had River not intervened and answered for him, he would have answered the GI's question and given him access to the tomb. That's what the Silence want to prevent by killing the Doctor early, because if the GI invades the Doctor's tomb, he will undo all of the good deeds that the Doctor did and cause the universe to break down. As the "sentinels of history," they would probably want to keep it safe. Simply killing the Doctor at Lake Silencio won't cause the universe to collapse (or at least it wouldn't have, if River had done as she was supposed to), and all of the worlds that he saved would still be there. However, if the GI goes into the Doctor's timeline (which he can only do if the Question is answered), he tears apart the Doctor's history and endangers all of time and space. Killing the Doctor at Lake Silencio is the lesser of two evils, as it prevents the Doctor from being able to answer the Question and giving the GI access to his tomb. The original, actual prophecy makes no mention of silence falling, so that isn't something that would normally be fulfilled at Trenzalore. Silence would only have fallen if the Silence had succeeded in killing the Doctor before he could get to Trenzalore. [[User:Ensephylon|Ensephylon]] [[User talk:Ensephylon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:03, May 20, 2013 (UTC) | ||
::::: Well, if you're sure about this, then feel free to reword the continuity note. However, it is relevant to note the disappearance of the stars and collapse of reality that reflects what happened in ''The Pandorica Opens'' and ''The Big Bang''. [[User:Milar Kayne|Milar Kayne]] [[User talk:Milar Kayne|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:54, May 20, 2013 (UTC) | |||
I think this is set after the time of the Silence fall on Trenzalore. The Doctor fought the Silence there causing them to fall, but maybe this caused his final death and as he was dying he requested the tomb to be built and sealed it with his name.[[User:A-Smk|A-Smk]] [[User talk:A-Smk|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:08, May 19, 2013 (UTC) | I think this is set after the time of the Silence fall on Trenzalore. The Doctor fought the Silence there causing them to fall, but maybe this caused his final death and as he was dying he requested the tomb to be built and sealed it with his name.[[User:A-Smk|A-Smk]] [[User talk:A-Smk|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:08, May 19, 2013 (UTC) | ||
