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::Trust Moffat to make this such an enigma -he's the Doctor, but he's not A DOCTOR. 11 did clearly state they were definitely the same person ("He's me, there's only me here, that's the point...") , but not worthy of the title 'Doctor' ("I said he was me, I never said he was the Doctor... he's the one who broke the promise"), but it depends what we decide the box is counting - is it the Time Lord himself, or just the versions who 'Kept the promise' of the Doctor? If we're going to be pedantic, then the Valeyard, Dream Lord and the Watcher aren't really the Doctor either - the Watcher was a projection, the Dream Lord a psychic state of consciousness and The Valeyard an in-betweener. Hurt's "Doctor" was at least confirmed by himself to be the same Time Lord, just unworthy of being considered the Doctor. [[Special:Contributions/86.174.188.161|86.174.188.161]]<sup>[[User talk:86.174.188.161#top|talk to me]]</sup> 17:33, May 19, 2013 (UTC) | ::Trust Moffat to make this such an enigma -he's the Doctor, but he's not A DOCTOR. 11 did clearly state they were definitely the same person ("He's me, there's only me here, that's the point...") , but not worthy of the title 'Doctor' ("I said he was me, I never said he was the Doctor... he's the one who broke the promise"), but it depends what we decide the box is counting - is it the Time Lord himself, or just the versions who 'Kept the promise' of the Doctor? If we're going to be pedantic, then the Valeyard, Dream Lord and the Watcher aren't really the Doctor either - the Watcher was a projection, the Dream Lord a psychic state of consciousness and The Valeyard an in-betweener. Hurt's "Doctor" was at least confirmed by himself to be the same Time Lord, just unworthy of being considered the Doctor. [[Special:Contributions/86.174.188.161|86.174.188.161]]<sup>[[User talk:86.174.188.161#top|talk to me]]</sup> 17:33, May 19, 2013 (UTC) | ||
::Agreed. The narrative actually makes it ''very'' clear that he ''is'' the Doctor; just not called by that name. He is the same individual being as "the Doctor," but even the other Doctors reject him for what he did. The template is supposed to list the different forms of the person known as "the Doctor". Hurt is still a form of the same person, even if he isn't called "the Doctor". 11 himself says: "He's ''me'', there's only ''me'' here, that's the point..." Hurt IS the same being named "the Doctor", but for some reason, he has lost the right to use the name "Doctor". Thus he belongs on the template because 11 specifically says "He's ''me''." Can someone add him back in? --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 19:38, May 19, 2013 (UTC) | ::Agreed. The narrative actually makes it ''very'' clear that he ''is'' the Doctor; just not called by that name. He is the same individual being as "the Doctor," but even the other Doctors reject him for what he did. The template is supposed to list the different forms of the person known as "the Doctor". Hurt is still a form of the same person, even if he isn't called "the Doctor". 11 himself says: "He's ''me'', there's only ''me'' here, that's the point..." Hurt IS the same being named "the Doctor", but for some reason, he has lost the right to use the name "Doctor". Thus he belongs on the template because 11 specifically says "He's ''me''." Can someone add him back in? --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 19:38, May 19, 2013 (UTC) | ||
==[[Mr Clever]]== | |||
I strongly suggest adding this incarnation. As noticed above, the Dream Lord counts despite being a psychotic symptom, not a real person. Mr Clever, being a '''part of the Doctor's mind''' functioning under Cybermen influence, counts even more. [[User:Movsar|Movsar]] [[User talk:Movsar|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:37, October 24, 2013 (UTC) |
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