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== Continuity section == | == Continuity section == | ||
{{quote|It's important that our articles be consistently written from the same point of view. Otherwise, we'd end up with one article written in past tense, another in future tense, and yet another in present tense. Or maybe, some of the articles would be written from a character's perspective rather than the audience's.|Tardis:In-universe perspective|T:IU}} | {{quote|It's important that our articles be consistently written from the same point of view. Otherwise, we'd end up with one article written in past tense, another in future tense, and yet another in present tense. Or maybe, some of the articles would be written from a character's perspective rather than the audience's.|Tardis:In-universe perspective|T:IU}} | ||
{{quote|When writing the behind-the-scenes section of an in-universe article, write from the point of view that your subject is fictional. There should be an obvious perspective shift from the rest of the article.|Tardis:Out-of-universe perspective|T:OOU}} | {{quote|When writing the behind-the-scenes section of an in-universe article, write from the point of view that your subject is fictional. There should be an obvious perspective shift from the rest of the article.|Tardis:Out-of-universe perspective|T:OOU}} | ||
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::The engine juddered and the steering jerked against her hands. The tunnel was going faster and wider. It was curving upward. The undefinable golden shapes that always rushed past her on these jumps darkened and were lost. She lifted her hands off the steering and watched the bike making its own adjustments. Thin streaks of light began coursing along the tunnel boundaries. ''Red to come, blue behind.'' | ::The engine juddered and the steering jerked against her hands. The tunnel was going faster and wider. It was curving upward. The undefinable golden shapes that always rushed past her on these jumps darkened and were lost. She lifted her hands off the steering and watched the bike making its own adjustments. Thin streaks of light began coursing along the tunnel boundaries. ''Red to come, blue behind.'' | ||
: And that's relevant to this page because, as far as I'm aware, ''The Parting of the Ways'' is the first television story to show the TARDIS going forwards and backwards in time, both times with the aforementioned color patterns. If that's wrong, I'd love to know which episode page should have this section. – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 21:19, November 14, 2017 (UTC) | : And that's relevant to this page because, as far as I'm aware, ''The Parting of the Ways'' is the first television story to show the TARDIS going forwards and backwards in time, both times with the aforementioned color patterns. If that's wrong, I'd love to know which episode page should have this section. – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 21:19, November 14, 2017 (UTC) | ||
[[User:Shambala108]] is, of course, right that no single format is adhered to completely. There are 18 "Continuity" items on this page in the standard format and 5 in this OOU format. With more than the 3-to-1 ratio, the latter are clear outliers. I would have added info in the majority format if only for the uniformity's sake. But I also did not see the relevance to the story: even now nothing on the page gives a clue what the connection is. | |||
And now you persuaded me that I was right and it should not be on the page. Here are my problems with this edit: | |||
# First of all, you compare TARDIS going forwards and backwards in time with a bike going in one direction (I don't know which, but bikes are not swings and don't go back and forth during one trip). So having one colour going to the future and the other going to the past is exactly the opposite of having both colours while going in one direction. | |||
# While "to come" may perhaps be interpreted as "future", the "behind" description is very clearly not the "past" but simply the "behind of the bike". When she looked forward from the bike, she saw red. When she looked backward, she saw blue. (And either could be the past or the future, depending on which direction she was travelling. Plus she could be travelling in space only, in which case, the time differential is zero. I wonder if the novel states what it is.) | |||
# All the novel states is that one person travelling on a bike saw these colours once. There is zero evidence that this is a universal phenomenon applicable to all timeships, all areas of the Vortex, and all observers. To give you an idea of what I mean, compare it with the description: "It was early morning. I travelled east. The sun was right in front of me." This does not mean that the same would happen in the evening. | |||
# The statement "the first television story to show the TARDIS going forwards and backwards in time" is extremely OOU, if true at all. What you mean to say is that this is the first time the camera showed TARDIS in the vortex from the outside during both a trip to the future and a trip to the past in the colour era (Third Doctor onward). I'm not prepared to verify this claim. But it is certainly false from the in-universe perspective. Already ''[[The Chase (TV story)|The Chase]]'' has the TARDIS travelling from New York City in 1966 to Mary Celeste in 1872 and then to a mysterious house in 1996. And there are scenes shot from the outside. But you wouldn't see colours in a black-and-white program. You are really talking about camera angles and type of film used in recording, not about the experiences of the time travellers, who have TARDIS scanners available to them at all times. This, to me, is a typical note, not at all a continuity. | |||
# The latest edit by CoT "It was first established" is equally fully OOU. Whose first it it? I bet he meant the chronology of the publication. Again this is a note, in the exact spirit of "ways in which the story was a major landmark in the history of the series" from [[Tardis:Format for television stories#Story notes]]. Continuity, on the other hand, "usually includes things of narrative significance" according to [[Tardis:Format for television stories#Continuity]]. How is it narratively significant that the viewer could not see the colours of the Vortex during the black-and-white era, when the inside of the vortex looked like a kaleidoscope, but now can discern them to be sometimes red and sometimes blue with no kaleidoscope in sight? | |||
To summarise, I see no match between the two descriptions of the Vortex, in the novel and in this story. I also strongly disbelieve that in the first 20 years of coloured Doctor Who, the TARDIS was never shown in flight in the Vortex both travelling to the past and to the future, though I certainly am not going to waste my time finding where it happened, especially given that the equality of all media would demand also checking all comic stories, prose and audio stories up to 2005 if things are considered from the narrative perspective. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:46, November 14, 2017 (UTC) | |||
