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# The latest edit by CoT "It was first established" is equally fully OOU. Whose first it it? I bet he meant the chronology of the publication. Again this is a note, in the exact spirit of "ways in which the story was a major landmark in the history of the series" from [[Tardis:Format for television stories#Story notes]]. Continuity, on the other hand, "usually includes things of narrative significance" according to [[Tardis:Format for television stories#Continuity]]. How is it narratively significant that the viewer could not see the colours of the Vortex during the black-and-white era, when the inside of the vortex looked like a kaleidoscope, but now can discern them to be sometimes red and sometimes blue with no kaleidoscope in sight? | # The latest edit by CoT "It was first established" is equally fully OOU. Whose first it it? I bet he meant the chronology of the publication. Again this is a note, in the exact spirit of "ways in which the story was a major landmark in the history of the series" from [[Tardis:Format for television stories#Story notes]]. Continuity, on the other hand, "usually includes things of narrative significance" according to [[Tardis:Format for television stories#Continuity]]. How is it narratively significant that the viewer could not see the colours of the Vortex during the black-and-white era, when the inside of the vortex looked like a kaleidoscope, but now can discern them to be sometimes red and sometimes blue with no kaleidoscope in sight? | ||
To summarise, I see no match between the two descriptions of the Vortex, in the novel and in this story. I also strongly disbelieve that in the first 20 years of coloured Doctor Who, the TARDIS was never shown in flight in the Vortex both travelling to the past and to the future, though I certainly am not going to waste my time finding where it happened, especially given that the equality of all media would demand also checking all comic stories, prose and audio stories up to 2005 if things are considered from the narrative perspective. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:46, November 14, 2017 (UTC) | To summarise, I see no match between the two descriptions of the Vortex, in the novel and in this story. I also strongly disbelieve that in the first 20 years of coloured Doctor Who, the TARDIS was never shown in flight in the Vortex both travelling to the past and to the future, though I certainly am not going to waste my time finding where it happened, especially given that the equality of all media would demand also checking all comic stories, prose and audio stories up to 2005 if things are considered from the narrative perspective. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:46, November 14, 2017 (UTC) | ||
:Look, I didn't add anything that wasn't already there before you, Amorkuz, removed the point on the grounds that it was written OOU. I didn't mean anything with the wording of the statement because '''I didn't write it'''. I just hopped on the wiki for a few minutes, saw an edit summary which didn't seem quite right in my eyes, and reverted it with after quickly finding what I thought were the relevant policies. (Obviously there was a bit too much ''Lungbarrow'' on the mind, because I linked to [[Tardis:Format for novels]] by mistake.) | |||
:I view it as a given that [[Tardis:How do I become an admin?|"every good-faith editor, from the newest editor to the most experienced bureaucrat, has the same status within Tardis Data Core."]] When I see someone removing something from a page because of a policy which doesn't exist and is proved to not exist by similar content which has been on the same popular page for at least half a decade, I will not hesitate to just revert. | |||
[[File:Lungbarrow - Time Bike.jpg|thumb|left|It's funny that this exact paragraph was one of the few parts of the book to be illustrated.]] | |||
I'm not really gonna comment on this particular situation too much, but the vortex has had a great variety of appearances and qualities through the years. A similarity between depictions of the vortex here and in a previous story is - in my opinion - more deserving of a continuity point on this page than the fact that Jackie has been in the TARDIS before. | |||
Now, it is true that this particular situation works just as well written in-universe, but I stand by "Sometimes a much more concise and accurate statement can be made by going OOU." That was just a general comment which is true. For example, by having all of its continuity points written in-universe, [[The Weeping Angels of Mons (comic story)]] makes no difference between the explicit connections and the implicit ones. The actual comic does not mention that the First Doc, Steven, Dodo, the Fifth Doc, Peri, the Ninth Doc, or Rose visited the [[Christmas truce]], yet our page for the story could be interpreted as saying that the story did. | |||
It's the difference between: | |||
:* [[Jamie Colquhoun]] recalls the [[Christmas truce|Christmas Day "truce"]] in [[1914]], when British troops played [[football]] and otherwise fraternised with the [[Germany|Germans]]. This event was witnessed by the [[First Doctor]], [[Steven Taylor]], and [[Sara Kingdom]], ([[PROSE]]: ''[[The Little Drummer Boy (short story)|The Little Drummer Boy]]'') by the [[Fifth Doctor]] and [[Peri Brown]] ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Never Seen Cairo (short story)|Never Seen Cairo]]'') and by the [[Ninth Doctor]] and [[Rose Tyler]]. The Ninth Doctor even served as a football referee. ([[COMIC]]: ''[[The Forgotten (comic story)|The Forgotten]]'') | |||
and | |||
:* [[Jamie Colquhoun]] recalls the [[Christmas truce|Christmas Day "truce"]] in [[1914]], when British troops played [[football]] and otherwise fraternised with the [[Germany|Germans]]. This event was seen in [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Little Drummer Boy (short story)|The Little Drummer Boy]]'', ''[[Never Seen Cairo (short story)|Never Seen Cairo]]'', and [[COMIC]]: ''[[The Forgotten (comic story)|The Forgotten]]''. | |||
(Although, I'd probably just put that whole thing into the notes section of the page.) | |||
On this page, | |||
:* An attempt at creating a different sort of Dalek/human hybrid would occur in TV: Daleks in Manhattan /Evolution of the Daleks. | |||
is much clearer on the relationship between those stories and ''The Parting of the Ways'' than | |||
:* The Daleks would later try to create a different sort of Dalek/human hybrid. (TV: Daleks in Manhattan /Evolution of the Daleks) | |||
An example from this page of where the opposite is clearly true: | |||
:* Rose mentions the Doctor taking her to meet her dad. (TV: Father's Day) | |||
:* Rose mentions the Doctor taking her to meet her dad, which occurred in TV: Father's Day. | |||
Say some comic featured the return of a character from a previous comic, but didn't make any actual reference to the plot of the previous comic. In that situation it might be more informative to have the continuity read "* Character B previously appeared in COMIC: ''Story C''." instead of "* Character B appears. (COMIC: ''Story C'')". | |||
At the end of the day there's nothing inherently wrong with either format. "I would have added info in the majority format if only for the uniformity's sake." is the sorta advice which leads to 1) pages being slightly more bland and repetitive to read through and 2) potential misrepresentation of what is actually in the story. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">CoT</span>]] [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">?</span> ]] 01:00, November 15, 2017 (UTC) | |||
