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[[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:15, November 14, 2017 (UTC) | [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:15, November 14, 2017 (UTC) | ||
: I'm not CoT, but I thought I'd give my two cents, since I was the one who actually added the contested paragraph. When I wrote it, it wasn't my intent to write it as out-of-universe, and I'm still not quite seeing what part of it breaks this convention. (And I don't think that convention is nearly as "universal" as you think it is, given that it seems to be broken more often than not on non-TV pages -- see [[PROSE]]: ''[[Alien Bodies (novel)#Continuity|]]'', ''[[Lungbarrow (novel)#Continuity|]]'', and ''[[Beautiful Chaos (novel)#Continuity|]]'', for the first examples that jumped to my mind...) Based on your edit summary, I'd think it's my usage of [[PROSE]]: ''[[Lungbarrow (novel)|Lungbarrow]]'', but I was explicitly trying to match the writing style of other Continuity elements on the page by including that. See: | : I'm not CoT, but I thought I'd give my two cents, since I was the one who actually added the contested paragraph. When I wrote it, it wasn't my intent to write it as out-of-universe, and I'm still not quite seeing what part of it breaks this convention. (And I don't think that convention is nearly as "universal" as you think it is, given that it seems to be broken more often than not on non-TV pages -- see [[PROSE]]: ''[[Alien Bodies (novel)#Continuity|Alien Bodies]]'', ''[[Lungbarrow (novel)#Continuity|Lungbarrow]]'', and ''[[Beautiful Chaos (novel)#Continuity|Beautiful Chaos]]'', for the first examples that jumped to my mind...) Based on your edit summary, I'd think it's my usage of [[PROSE]]: ''[[Lungbarrow (novel)|Lungbarrow]]'', but I was explicitly trying to match the writing style of other Continuity elements on the page by including that. See: | ||
:* Other attempts at reviving the Dalek race would occur in [[TV]]: ''[[Doomsday (TV story)|Doomsday]]'', [[TV]]: ''[[Daleks in Manhattan (TV story)|Daleks in Manhattan]]'' / ''[[Evolution of the Daleks]]'' and ''[[Victory of the Daleks]]''. | :* Other attempts at reviving the Dalek race would occur in [[TV]]: ''[[Doomsday (TV story)|Doomsday]]'', [[TV]]: ''[[Daleks in Manhattan (TV story)|Daleks in Manhattan]]'' / ''[[Evolution of the Daleks]]'' and ''[[Victory of the Daleks]]''. | ||
:* The Daleks have overcome their weakness to [[bastic bullet]]s, which previously appeared in [[TV]]: ''[[Revelation of the Daleks]]'' in 1984. | :* The Daleks have overcome their weakness to [[bastic bullet]]s, which previously appeared in [[TV]]: ''[[Revelation of the Daleks]]'' in 1984. | ||
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At the end of the day there's nothing inherently wrong with either format. "I would have added info in the majority format if only for the uniformity's sake." is the sorta advice which leads to 1) pages being slightly more bland and repetitive to read through and 2) potential misrepresentation of what is actually in the story. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">CoT</span>]] [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">?</span> ]] 01:00, November 15, 2017 (UTC) | At the end of the day there's nothing inherently wrong with either format. "I would have added info in the majority format if only for the uniformity's sake." is the sorta advice which leads to 1) pages being slightly more bland and repetitive to read through and 2) potential misrepresentation of what is actually in the story. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">CoT</span>]] [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">?</span> ]] 01:00, November 15, 2017 (UTC) | ||
: Amorkuz: you're right that, with the 3-to-1 ratio, the out-of-universe continuity elements are considered clear outliers, just as the in-universe continuity elements are outliers on [[PROSE]]: ''[[Alien Bodies (novel)#Continuity|Alien Bodies]]'', ''[[Beautiful Chaos (novel)#Continuity|Beautiful Chaos]]'', ''[[Lungbarrow (novel)#Lungbarrow|Lungbarrow]]'', ''[[The Dying Days (novel)#Continuity|The Dying Days]]'', ''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)#Continuity|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'', and so on and so on. I'm very used to writing articles for novels, and there were similar examples on the page, so that's the format I followed. | |||
: I must note how quickly the main topic of conversation has changed, though! When you redacted my edit, and when CoT reinserted it, it was because of this issue of in-universe vs out-of-universe writing in "Continuity" sections, not because you disagreed with the idea of it being a Continuity element. Could you officially retract those statements about Continuity sections being always written in an in-universe fashion? I just don't want any future users to stumble across this discussion and think it's an official rule declaration. | |||
: As for this new conversation, about whether it deserves being a Continuity element: | |||
:# Re:"What you meant to say": I know what I said, and I meant it. You've neglected the part of my sentence that specified "both times with the aforementioned color patterns". [[Time Vortex]] says "[The Time Vortex] had various colours, for a time appearing as either red or blue. Red generally indicated forward time travel and blue indicated travel to the past. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Parting of the Ways (TV story)|The Parting of the Ways]]'')" The quote has been there since [http://tardis.wikia.com/index.php?title=Time_Vortex&diff=428239&oldid=426448 2010], and that citation was placed there [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Time_Vortex?diff=prev&oldid=1572401 in 2013]. That led me to believe that this story was the first episode to display the NuWho convention of the Time Vortex appearing red when the TARDIS is traveling into the future, and blue when it's traveling into the past. If that's wrong, I'll gladly move the paragraph to the correct page. | |||
:# You're right that there is "zero evidence that this is a universal phenomenon applicable to all timeships" etc. But there is also zero evidence that the way the Vortex looks when the TARDIS is traveling through it is universal in any way. Was I trying to say or even suggest either of those things? No: as CoT succinctly summarised, I was just pointing out the similarity between the depiction of the vortex here and in a previous story. | |||
:# To try to bring this particular branch of the conversation to a speedy close, could I propose a different phrasing that you may find more amenable? | |||
::* The Time Vortex also appeared as "red to come, blue behind" in [[PROSE]]: ''[[Lungbarrow (novel)|Lungbarrow]]''. | |||
: Let me know what you think. – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 15:13, November 15, 2017 (UTC) | |||
