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:: Although if, as I suspect, Proto-Time Lords only applies to the clones created by Kovarian from River's embryonic DNA, then she should only be listed as human and Time Lord. We know that these clone batches were the result of her experiments and we know that she made some alterations at least to affect their behaviour. River was an earlier experiment, which failed in Kovarian's view. I suggest we re-listen to the audio stories in question for better context.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 04:32, July 13, 2020 (UTC) | :: Although if, as I suspect, Proto-Time Lords only applies to the clones created by Kovarian from River's embryonic DNA, then she should only be listed as human and Time Lord. We know that these clone batches were the result of her experiments and we know that she made some alterations at least to affect their behaviour. River was an earlier experiment, which failed in Kovarian's view. I suggest we re-listen to the audio stories in question for better context.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 04:32, July 13, 2020 (UTC) | ||
:::So to clarify, what I'm saying here is that Proto-Time Lord ''materially implies'' homo genus. The latter is not a ''logical consequence'' of the former. There's a massive distinction there. Everyone except DiSoRiEnTeD1 is saying there's no contradiction between sources and it's just a name being given. But alright, re-listen is where we stand. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:44, July 13, 2020 (UTC) | :::So to clarify, what I'm saying here is that Proto-Time Lord ''materially implies'' homo genus. The latter is not a ''logical consequence'' of the former. There's a massive distinction there. Everyone except DiSoRiEnTeD1 is saying there's no contradiction between sources and it's just a name being given. But alright, re-listen is where we stand. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:44, July 13, 2020 (UTC) | ||
: when i originally listened to the story in question what i took away was that River's clones were the "[[Proto-Time Lord]]s" created based on River's DNA (named as they were prototypes of a Time Lord - River). River was born as Human + Time Lord, and after Kovarian's further experiments she was deemed as failed. Amusingly, i have just noticed that the Proto-Time Lord page also has this view - as River is not listed as a member, but rather as being "afflicted" with the group like Kovarian. | |||
: However, it was @SarahJaneFan (who indicated that she had listened to the story more recently and therefore had higher authority on the matter) that said both River and her clones were both referred to as "Proto-Time Lords". i accepted this, but still say that "Proto-Time Lord" does not indicated being part human and therefore human should be listed. [[User:DiSoRiEnTeD1|DiSoRiEnTeD1]] [[User talk:DiSoRiEnTeD1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:49, July 13, 2020 (UTC) | |||
