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:He meets her as a child and again as a young adult. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 05:11, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | :He meets her as a child and again as a young adult. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 05:11, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:The problem is, with The End of Time being Christmas 2009, The Sarah Jane Adventures series 3 taking place not long before it in October and November time 2009, and Children of Earth in September 2009, what can be done about Planet of the Dead? That's set before them - in April! Unless we ignore the reference to their having been planets in the sky. Timeline wise, if you listen to Beautiful Chaos's date, Planet of the Dead happens before The Stolen Earth/Journey's End. | :The problem is, with The End of Time being Christmas 2009, The Sarah Jane Adventures series 3 taking place not long before it in October and November time 2009, and Children of Earth in September 2009, what can be done about Planet of the Dead? That's set before them - in April! Unless we ignore the reference to their having been planets in the sky. Timeline wise, if you listen to Beautiful Chaos's date, Planet of the Dead happens before The Stolen Earth/Journey's End. | ||
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:You frequently bring up Davies' statement that he would tie up everything for Moffat, but it's not hard fact that this applies to the year skip until he outright says so. It may not even have crossed his mind when he said that. Many people thought his statement would mean a permanent return of the Time Lords and end of the Time War mythos, but it didn't. It did apply to loose ends like Queen E. | :You frequently bring up Davies' statement that he would tie up everything for Moffat, but it's not hard fact that this applies to the year skip until he outright says so. It may not even have crossed his mind when he said that. Many people thought his statement would mean a permanent return of the Time Lords and end of the Time War mythos, but it didn't. It did apply to loose ends like Queen E. | ||
:Series 5 could be set in the same year as the specials, because the Doctor's a time traveller. I know there's a dialogue reference to Time nearly ending, but the Doctor's talking about his personal past. The Dalek Invasion of Earth was "a long time ago" for him in The Stolen Earth, but the 22nd century linearly. Alternatively, while we know he takes van Gogh to 2010 we don't know absolutely that it's Amy's home year, though it seems likely. We'll know more when it airs. Until then it's frustratingly speculative. | :Series 5 could be set in the same year as the specials, because the Doctor's a time traveller. I know there's a dialogue reference to Time nearly ending, but the Doctor's talking about his personal past. The Dalek Invasion of Earth was "a long time ago" for him in The Stolen Earth, but the 22nd century linearly. Alternatively, while we know he takes van Gogh to 2010 we don't know absolutely that it's Amy's home year, though it seems likely. We'll know more when it airs. Until then it's frustratingly speculative. | ||
:I'm not saying any particular way of resolving the problem is fact, I'm pointing out we don't know which is. We really need someone to talk to the producers about this. Or an updated Time Traveller's Almanac that resolves it. | :I'm not saying any particular way of resolving the problem is fact, I'm pointing out we don't know which is. We really need someone to talk to the producers about this. Or an updated Time Traveller's Almanac that resolves it. | ||
:This is really frustrating, and I sympathize with you and everyone else who wants to tie it up neatly. I don't want to believe that Davies forgot Rose and Aliens of London weren't in the same year either. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:39, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | :This is really frustrating, and I sympathize with you and everyone else who wants to tie it up neatly. I don't want to believe that Davies forgot Rose and Aliens of London weren't in the same year either. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:39, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Wait a second. | ::Wait a second. If I read the above correctly, the only thing tying ''Journey's End'' to June 2009 is an [[NSA]] novel, ''[[Beautiful Chaos]]''? That's pretty flimsy, if you ask me. I mean, contrary to popular belief, BBC does have one canon policy: a viewer cannot be forced to buy a spin-off product to make sense of things which happen in the television series. Thus, information in books which challenges a viewers perception of a televised event is actually inferior to what's on screen. Why not simply believe that the whole of Series 4 happened before Easter 2009? Again, we know the whole of Series 3 happened in 96 hours; I really don't see why PIC need be separated from JE by much more than that. Then you can slide POTD right in there at April, and everything works. Is there anything '''in the television series''' which would prevent that belief? | ||
::As for the Donna wedding issue, it actually is in dialogue that she's "getting married in the spring". | ::As for the Donna wedding issue, it actually is in dialogue that she's "getting married in the spring". That absolutely makes it the spring of the year which follows the Christmas seen in ''The End of Time''. So, if you believe that's 2009, and I don't see why you wouldn't, then it's obviously Spring 2010 when she gets married.'''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 15:56, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:::The Beautiful Chaos/Journey's End/Planet of the Dead thing is the only reason I might not believe it's Christmas 2009. If Beautiful Chaos and Journey's End were 2009. Netty, a character from Beautiful Chaos, is referred to in The End of Time. Boom Town also referred to the novel The Monsters Inside and Captain Jack's Monster Files on the official site referred to Revenge of the Judoon. | :::The Beautiful Chaos/Journey's End/Planet of the Dead thing is the only reason I might not believe it's Christmas 2009. If Beautiful Chaos and Journey's End were 2009. Netty, a character from Beautiful Chaos, is referred to in The End of Time. Boom Town also referred to the novel The Monsters Inside and Captain Jack's Monster Files on the official site referred to Revenge of the Judoon. | ||
:::One more thing, the [[Erisa Magambo]] page places the Torchwood novel [[The Undertaker's Gift]], which is before Children of Earth, in November. Which would be the November of the year before? I don't have the book, so I can't tell if that's a correct interpretation of its contents. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:05, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | :::One more thing, the [[Erisa Magambo]] page places the Torchwood novel [[The Undertaker's Gift]], which is before Children of Earth, in November. Which would be the November of the year before? I don't have the book, so I can't tell if that's a correct interpretation of its contents. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:05, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Again, though, books cannot be seen as containing '''superior''' information to televised episodes. If the only source of a time for events is a book, then that's invalid information. | ::Again, though, books cannot be seen as containing '''superior''' information to televised episodes. If the only source of a time for events is a book, then that's invalid information. Not saying you can't mention it in an article, but you certainly can't say that it is absolute fact. Going strictly on televised episodes, the most logical interpretation — unless I've missed something — is that ''Journey's End'' happens before Easter, 2009. Put it another way, the issue here isn't that POTD is in conflict with JE, it's that it's in conflict with ''Beautiful Chaos''. And there's no conflict possible there, because ''Chaos'' is '''just a book''', written well before POTD's script was finished. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 17:26, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::I don't think anyone took notice of what I said in The Waters of Mars that Adelaide was born May12th 1999, and was 10 years old when The Stolen Earth/Journey's End happened, placing them after May12th 2009. In Children of Earth 2009 is the confirmed and accepted year setting - only months after The Stolen Earth/Journey's End. The events of the Doctor Who series 4 finale were refered to as having been very recent, which fits with Children of Earth being at least months later. | |||
:: When stating how long ago the origin 456 invasion of Earth happened, Rhys sites it as having happened a certain amount of years ago that - in DIALOUGE - confirmed it is 2009, too. I don't know where, but apparantly Brian Green became Prime Minister in June, the previous Prime Minister was killed during the Dalek Invasion - this would also cite the invasion as being in late May or June. Many references are made to the event in Children of Earth, as well as it being said to have been recently, showing not that much time has passed, only months. If you look on the wiki, according to commentary, Donna's wedding following the events of The End of Time was Spring 2010, early 2010. You know what that means. And it's stupid, pointless, and useless fighting aginst both commenterary, dialouge, and what we see in episodes - opinions are not fact, what the creators and episodes say is of higher value (i.e. it is fact that Children of Earth is in 2009, and the same applies to The End of Time). | |||
The only problem here is that Planet of the Dead pre-ceds The End of Time and takes place in April, which contradicts both Beautiful Chaos and The Waters of Mars. It contradicted its following story, which places the invasion post-May 12th 2009. Yet, Planet of the Dead is cited only as being April 2009. For those ignorant enough to ignore it - dialouge throughout series 5 filming places present day Earth stories as 2010. With that being there, Torchwood series 4 will end up as 2010, and The Sarah Jane Advetnures series 4 will end up as 2010 - for five years, present day Earth stories that air in the same year always have a specific year setting (i.e. Torchwood series 2, Doctor Who series 4, The Sarah Jane Advetnures series 2 go from January 2009 to around August 2009). This is also exampled in: last few stories of Torchwood series 1 are in 2008, Doctor Who seires 3 is 2008, and The Sarah Jane Advetnures series 1 is 2008 - they all aire din the same year. Therefore, with series 5 seeing 2010, Torchwood series 4 and The Sarah Jane Advetnures series 4 will see 2010. The year-ahead ended when the 2008 Christmas special didn't chronicle 2009, but was instead set in the past, allowing The End of Time to take place the time it aired and fit Children of Earth and The Saraj Jane Advetnures series 3 before it and after series 2 of The Sarah Jane Adventures. Also, by these placments, every single month of 2009 has been chronicled by at least one story, it feels complete. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 09:25, February 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
