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{{quote|Before this universe was created, there was another one. A totally different universe, with alien physical laws. The heavens were green, and the stars looked like... giant doughnuts, to be brutally frank. Very, very different. And, as in this universe, there were people who discovered the deeper mysteries of time and space.|Sixth Doctor|Millennial Rites (novel)}}
{{quote|Before this universe was created, there was another one. A totally different universe, with alien physical laws. The heavens were green, and the stars looked like... giant doughnuts, to be brutally frank. Very, very different. And, as in this universe, there were people who discovered the deeper mysteries of time and space.|Sixth Doctor|Millennial Rites (novel)}}


However, the [[Seventh Doctor]] learned from the [[Carnival Queen]] that the [[Time Lord]]s had misinterpreted their knowledge of the pre-universe and, rather than being an actual separate [[universe]], the pre-universe was the state of reality before the Time Lords created the [[Web of Time]] ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'') during the [[anchoring of the thread]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[The Book of the War (novel)|The Book of the War]]'') The [[Kaliyuga]] did not merely follow the Dvapara Yuga, it replaced it. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Dharmayuddha (short story)|Dharmayuddha]]'')
According to one account, the [[Seventh Doctor]] learned from the [[Carnival Queen]] that the [[Time Lord]]s had misinterpreted their knowledge of the pre-universe and, rather than being an actual separate [[universe]], the pre-universe was the state of reality before the Time Lords created the [[Web of Time]] ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'') during the [[anchoring of the thread]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[The Book of the War (novel)|The Book of the War]]'') The [[Kaliyuga]] did not merely follow the Dvapara Yuga, it replaced it. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Dharmayuddha (short story)|Dharmayuddha]]'')


Before the Time Lords created the Web of Time, the universe obeyed no laws of physics, and [[magic]] was a powerful force. There existed cities with buildings carved from mile-high arches of [[ivory]], with streets made of [[cobweb]] and gardens tended by stone men. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'') Many [[human]]s had semi-[[god|divine]] powers: for instance, [[Arjuna]] had one thousand arms and was ardently skilled at compressing time, while [[Nakula and Sahadeva]] led armies of imaginary [[hybrid]] animals made of broken time. The [[Great Houses]]' plan for ending the Dvapara Yuga involved starting the [[Kurukshetra war]] between the [[Pandava]]s and [[Kaurava]]s. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Dharmayuddha (short story)|Dharmayuddha]]'') [[River Song]] noted a theory that the [[SporeShip]]s were leftover weapons from the war that wiped out the previous universe. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Signs (audio story)|Signs]]'')
Before the Time Lords created the Web of Time, the universe obeyed no laws of physics, and [[magic]] was a powerful force. There existed cities with buildings carved from mile-high arches of [[ivory]], with streets made of [[cobweb]] and gardens tended by stone men. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'') Many [[human]]s had semi-[[god|divine]] powers: for instance, [[Arjuna]] had one thousand arms and was ardently skilled at compressing time, while [[Nakula and Sahadeva]] led armies of imaginary [[hybrid]] animals made of broken time. The [[Great Houses]]' plan for ending the Dvapara Yuga involved starting the [[Kurukshetra war]] between the [[Pandava]]s and [[Kaurava]]s. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Dharmayuddha (short story)|Dharmayuddha]]'') [[River Song]] noted a theory that the [[SporeShip]]s were leftover weapons from the war that wiped out the previous universe. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Signs (audio story)|Signs]]'')


[[Luke Smith]] theorised that the rules of [[astrology]] were based on the laws of physics of the previous universe, which is why the [[Ancient Lights]] seemed to conform to them despite them contradicting conventional physics. ([[TV]]: ''[[Secrets of the Stars (TV story)|Secrets of the Stars]]'')
According to the [[Kotturuh]], there had in fact been universes before the current one. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[The Dawn of the Kotturuh (short story)|The Dawn of the Kotturuh]]'')[[Luke Smith]] theorised that the rules of [[astrology]] were based on the laws of physics of the previous universe, which is why the [[Ancient Lights]] seemed to conform to them despite them contradicting conventional physics. ([[TV]]: ''[[Secrets of the Stars (TV story)|Secrets of the Stars]]'')


According to the experiences of [[Kin (Nothing O'Clock)|the Kin]], the only thing that existed before the Big Bang created the universe was a particle of [[space]] and [[time]] smaller than an [[atom]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Nothing O'Clock (short story)|Nothing O'Clock]]'') The [[Second Doctor]] managed to trick the [[Vist]] into travelling back before the Time Lords evolved so that they could claim ownership of [[time]] before them. They became stuck in the "no time" that existed before [[Event One]] and could never escape there. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Forbidden Time (audio story)|The Forbidden Time]]'') [[Sabbath Dei|Sabbath]] referred to this period of "no time" as Time Zero. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Time Zero (novel)|Time Zero]]'')
According to the experiences of [[Kin (Nothing O'Clock)|the Kin]], the only thing that existed before the Big Bang created the universe was a particle of [[space]] and [[time]] smaller than an [[atom]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Nothing O'Clock (short story)|Nothing O'Clock]]'') The [[Second Doctor]] managed to trick the [[Vist]] into travelling back before the Time Lords evolved so that they could claim ownership of [[time]] before them. They became stuck in the "no time" that existed before [[Event One]] and could never escape there. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Forbidden Time (audio story)|The Forbidden Time]]'') [[Sabbath Dei|Sabbath]] referred to this period of "no time" as Time Zero. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Time Zero (novel)|Time Zero]]'')
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