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But again, this is one of our BTS "series with connections to the DWU" pages. '''Nothing has changed: ''Vienna'' is still not a valid source on this Wiki'''. By the same token, however, this page shouldn't have the [[:Template:Invalid|"Invalid" tag]] any more than ''[[Star Trek (franchise)|Star Trek]]'' does. Its validity isn't even "on the table" in the current setup, as it were — we're covering it ''strictly'' as a footnote to the history of actual DWU productions, not as a source for in-universe articles of any kind. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:59, October 26, 2020 (UTC) | But again, this is one of our BTS "series with connections to the DWU" pages. '''Nothing has changed: ''Vienna'' is still not a valid source on this Wiki'''. By the same token, however, this page shouldn't have the [[:Template:Invalid|"Invalid" tag]] any more than ''[[Star Trek (franchise)|Star Trek]]'' does. Its validity isn't even "on the table" in the current setup, as it were — we're covering it ''strictly'' as a footnote to the history of actual DWU productions, not as a source for in-universe articles of any kind. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:59, October 26, 2020 (UTC) | ||
: (As of 2023, this has now been changed. ''[[Vienna (series)|Vienna]]'' is covered in full as a [[T:VS|valid source]]) [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:52, 26 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
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If, at some point in the future, this Wiki felt it appropriate to make the Vienna series valid to the DWU, I would still update all of the Vienna pages, rest assured, as I intend to do with the Jenny and Graceless series respectively, when I get the time. Again, let me know if you need anything. Also, any fellow Vienna listeners are more than welcome to help out over at the Vienna Wiki. [[User:Thefartydoctor|<font color="blue">The</font><font color="silver">Farty</font><font color="red">Doctor</font>]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<small><sup><font color="green">Talk</font></sup></small>]] 15:33, 30 March 2021 (UTC) | If, at some point in the future, this Wiki felt it appropriate to make the Vienna series valid to the DWU, I would still update all of the Vienna pages, rest assured, as I intend to do with the Jenny and Graceless series respectively, when I get the time. Again, let me know if you need anything. Also, any fellow Vienna listeners are more than welcome to help out over at the Vienna Wiki. [[User:Thefartydoctor|<font color="blue">The</font><font color="silver">Farty</font><font color="red">Doctor</font>]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<small><sup><font color="green">Talk</font></sup></small>]] 15:33, 30 March 2021 (UTC) | ||
:Scratch that. While we appreciate the offer, we want original material on the wiki. If we just copy from somewhere else, why would someone want to come here (alternatively, why would someone from here want to come to your wiki if the material is the same?). [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:20, 31 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
::...um, that's awfully brusque of you @Shambala108. The [[w:c:vienna:Vienna Wiki|''Vienna'' Wiki]], from my understanding, is the reaction to the shunning of the series from this Wiki, despite numerous attempts via inclusion debates to have it covered, like it rightfully deserves. As the Wiki is a reaction, a supplementary Wiki if you will, most of the superb contributions by fellow editor @[[User:Thefartydoctor|Thefartydoctor]] and the other editors at the ''Vienna'' Wiki would've added it ''here'' if the series was covered. That Wiki would likely not even exist if the inclusion debates had gone successfully. | |||
::And by the way, it is well within the policies of the Fandom website ''itself'' to transfer information from Wiki to Wiki so long the contributions are attributed by the correct copyright, so I'm sure that every other editor here will ''gladly'' welcome material from the ''Vienna'' Wiki when the time comes. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>'''Epsilon'''</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 01:28, 31 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::I '''know''' it's fandom policy, but we've always preferred original material here. And keep the personal attacks out of your posts. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:39, 31 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::But I have just gone out of my way to explain that the ''Vienna'' Wiki contains that "original content" that has only been placed there due to the series not being covered ''here''. It is not fair to ask for all of that hard work to be replicated, which I'm sure you are aware of. | |||
::::Also, how did ''I'' make a personal attack, when you're the one who quite clearly was dismissive and rude towards @[[User:Thefartydoctor|Thefartydoctor]] ''who is only trying to be a helpful editor''? I feel as if you are the one who made the personal attack here. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>'''Epsilon'''</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 01:45, 31 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
: You described Shambala's words as "awfully brusque". It's not the end of the world, but it's still a good deal ruder than pointing out common policy, I'd say. | |||
: As for the matter itself, it seems to me that the Vienna Wiki is likely to be merged into Tardis if and when we reintegrate the ''Vienna'' series, which would kind of make this a nonissue; and ''until then'' there is no immediate need for any such copypasting because we're not supposed to yet have pages about the stuff the Vienna Wiki is already covering. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:51, 31 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
:: I understand where you're all coming from, and I don't take offense at anything said here. It may be of interest to know that I took a few hours out of my day yesterday to complete the Plot for ''[[w:c:vienna:Vengeance (audio story)|Vengeance]]'' from the ''[[w:c:vienna:Master! (audio anthology)|Master!]]'' boxset. If you wish to use it as inspiration, go ahead. The offer for help is always open and I understand what has been said here regarding fresh pieces of work. Regarding ''[[w:c:vienna:Vienna (audio series)|Vienna]]'', my attention always goes to the ''[[w:c:vienna:Vienna Wiki|Vienna Wiki]]'' first so that we can make a complete archive/encyclopaedia in case this Wiki ever decides that Vienna is valid and wishes to merge. Hope that makes sense. <3 [[User:Thefartydoctor|<font color="blue">The</font><font color="silver">Farty</font><font color="red">Doctor</font>]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<small><sup><font color="green">Talk</font></sup></small>]] 17:48, 31 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
In the meantime I think that this page should very much be set out like [[The Confessions of Dorian Gray]]. There should be a table of released stories (unlinked if they are not currently permitted on this Wikia) and the unnecessary list of actors who have appeared in both series should be removed. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:55, 31 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
