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: Ehh, after reading this discussion I remain unconvinced of the argument for the renames. As Scrooge said at the start of this conversation, conjecture tags have not been historically needed for the "Xth Doctor" format of page name so I would instead advocate for their removal. I believe the current names are closest to in-universe identifications we have and I think having the ''Curse of Fatal Death'' dab is better for searchability. Episilon says above that the names from the documentary haven't been used on other Doctors but the proposed name for this page is "the Female Doctor". In 2021, I think you would be hard-pressed to find many people who think of Lumley before [[Jodie Whittaker]] (or even [[Jo Martin]]) so a rename would just create confusion. To many people, Whittaker is ''the'' female Doctor. Additionally, as has been said before, the other names can be similarly applied to other incarnations in-universe and I don't think the pages would be easier to find under these names either. [[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:03, 2 November 2021 (UTC) | : Ehh, after reading this discussion I remain unconvinced of the argument for the renames. As Scrooge said at the start of this conversation, conjecture tags have not been historically needed for the "Xth Doctor" format of page name so I would instead advocate for their removal. I believe the current names are closest to in-universe identifications we have and I think having the ''Curse of Fatal Death'' dab is better for searchability. Episilon says above that the names from the documentary haven't been used on other Doctors but the proposed name for this page is "the Female Doctor". In 2021, I think you would be hard-pressed to find many people who think of Lumley before [[Jodie Whittaker]] (or even [[Jo Martin]]) so a rename would just create confusion. To many people, Whittaker is ''the'' female Doctor. Additionally, as has been said before, the other names can be similarly applied to other incarnations in-universe and I don't think the pages would be easier to find under these names either. [[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:03, 2 November 2021 (UTC) | ||
::I really struggle to see how "Female Doctor" is likely to be confused with Jodie Whittaker but "Thirteenth Doctor" is not. And since anyone landing on the wrong page will immediately be greeted by the "''You may be looking for another Thirteenth Doctor''" redirect which is already at the top of it, I feel fairly confident saying that the number of readers likely to be stymied by this supposed problem is exactly zero. And while I doubt anyone is actually typing "[[Eleventh Doctor (The Curse of Fatal Death)]]" (as opposed to googling "jim broadbent dr who"), that page would remain as a permanent redirect to [[Shy Doctor]], so, again, zero people would be confused. [[User:Gowlbag|Gowlbag]] [[User talk:Gowlbag|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:03, 2 November 2021 (UTC) | ::I really struggle to see how "Female Doctor" is likely to be confused with Jodie Whittaker but "Thirteenth Doctor" is not. And since anyone landing on the wrong page will immediately be greeted by the "''You may be looking for another Thirteenth Doctor''" redirect which is already at the top of it, I feel fairly confident saying that the number of readers likely to be stymied by this supposed problem is exactly zero. And while I doubt anyone is actually typing "[[Eleventh Doctor (The Curse of Fatal Death)]]" (as opposed to googling "jim broadbent dr who"), that page would remain as a permanent redirect to [[Shy Doctor]], so, again, zero people would be confused. | ||
::Having reread the conversation, I still think that putting "(The Curse of Fatal Death)" disambiguation on Shy Doctor, Quite Handsome Doctor, and Handsome Doctor is absurd and unnecessary - these are unambiguous, unrivalled proper names, and arguing "but David Tennant is also arguably quite handsome!" is rather like saying "but the Eighth Doctor was also involved in a War!" and moving [[War Doctor]] to [[War Doctor (The Name of the Doctor)]] - but I would accept it as a compromise if it means we can finally use these characters' unique, official names in the article titles rather than the current fan-made ones. [[User:Gowlbag|Gowlbag]] [[User talk:Gowlbag|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:03, 2 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Just FYI == | == Just FYI == | ||
This talk page is word-for-word duplicated at the highly inappropriately named [[Talk:Stupid whore (The Curse of Fatal Death)]], which was created by a Nazi who has been making similar such vandalism (most of which now reverted/removed) on other women and minorities pages. [[User:NightmareofEden|NightmareofEden]] [[User talk:NightmareofEden|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:58, 13 February 2021 (UTC) | This talk page is word-for-word duplicated at the highly inappropriately named [[Talk:Stupid whore (The Curse of Fatal Death)]], which was created by a Nazi who has been making similar such vandalism (most of which now reverted/removed) on other women and minorities pages. [[User:NightmareofEden|NightmareofEden]] [[User talk:NightmareofEden|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:58, 13 February 2021 (UTC) | ||
