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::Alright, thank you for giving me a concrete proposal. Let me just point out that ''you already disagree with someone else who is suggesting that we can summarize biographies in this way.'' You've described ''Idiot's Lantern'' as a minor story, when Nate explicitly considers it a major story. (As he considers ''all'' tv stories major stories.) And let me go one further here. ''Idiot's Lantern'' isn't important for 10's character arc. But you know what's even less important? ''Blink.'' I assume we'd keep ''Blink'' on the hypothetical trimmed down version of 10's biography. But this is perhaps the most obviously egregious violation of [[T:NPOV]] I can think of, that we would prioritize ''Blink'' over other stories, simply because it was televised and thus super popular and we should mention it. (I'm also not sure why ''Edge of Reality'' should get a mention and ''Day of the Doctor'' doesn't, given how important the latter is for the character overall and how the former is a complete nothing, but that's your prerogative.) I'd just like to ask if the other people who think this proposal is workable as-is agree with this. Because ''if they don't,'' and I'm willing to bet that there are disagreements, and these disagreements will only get more severe as we include more and more stories that might be considered "notable minor stories" (eg, [[Canaries (short story)|Canaries]] for quite a few Doctors or [[The Paradox Moon (short story)|The Paradox Moon]] specifically for 13), that's a serious problem for the idea that this is something trivial that we can just come together on without it being an issue. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:08, 8 January 2023 (UTC) | ::Alright, thank you for giving me a concrete proposal. Let me just point out that ''you already disagree with someone else who is suggesting that we can summarize biographies in this way.'' You've described ''Idiot's Lantern'' as a minor story, when Nate explicitly considers it a major story. (As he considers ''all'' tv stories major stories.) And let me go one further here. ''Idiot's Lantern'' isn't important for 10's character arc. But you know what's even less important? ''Blink.'' I assume we'd keep ''Blink'' on the hypothetical trimmed down version of 10's biography. But this is perhaps the most obviously egregious violation of [[T:NPOV]] I can think of, that we would prioritize ''Blink'' over other stories, simply because it was televised and thus super popular and we should mention it. (I'm also not sure why ''Edge of Reality'' should get a mention and ''Day of the Doctor'' doesn't, given how important the latter is for the character overall and how the former is a complete nothing, but that's your prerogative.) I'd just like to ask if the other people who think this proposal is workable as-is agree with this. Because ''if they don't,'' and I'm willing to bet that there are disagreements, and these disagreements will only get more severe as we include more and more stories that might be considered "notable minor stories" (eg, [[Canaries (short story)|Canaries]] for quite a few Doctors or [[The Paradox Moon (short story)|The Paradox Moon]] specifically for 13), that's a serious problem for the idea that this is something trivial that we can just come together on without it being an issue. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:08, 8 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
:::Yeah, I was sitting here formulating a rebuttal to your opinion about [[Blink (TV story)|''Blink'']] before realizing that was exactly your point, and these discussions would be constant. I'm with [[User:Najawin|Najawin]]. [[User:Schreibenheimer|Schreibenheimer]] [[User talk:Schreibenheimer|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:00, 8 January 2023 (UTC) | |||
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