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: Certainly. For ''[[The Day of the Doctor (novelisation)|The Day of the Doctor]]'' (novelisation), I would exclude it from the summary because, as you mention, it is a minor appearance for the [[Thirteenth Doctor]] and that is the incarnation who we're concerned about in this summary. For Thirteen/[[Tenth Doctor|Ten]] [[Multi-Doctor story|multi-Doctors]], I think this would be done more case by case. [[Titan Comics]]' Thirteen/Ten stories could probably be mentioned all in one short parahraph in the summary as they are multiple stories that form a key arc in Titan's Thirteen Doctor run, one of the main strands of her non-TV media. ''[[The Edge of Reality (video game)|The Edge of Reality]]'' would probably also recieve a brief mention as it is one of the bigger Thirteenth Doctor releases (evidenced somewhat by the fact it has recieved physical releases on all major platforms, something that not every ''Doctor Who'' video game recieves). I'm struggling to think, off the top of my head, of any more multi-Doctors between these 2, but it should really come down to whether the story is a significant part of Thirteen's in-universe life or of the real-world era. For something like ''[[The Idiot's Lantern (TV story)|The Idiot's Lantern]]'', I agree that its not particuarly notable either in Ten's life or the real world era. Therefore, I would be tempted to include it, alongside other more minor stories, in the summary somewhat like this: "The Doctor and [[Rose]] continued to travel with each other for a while. During these travels, among other things, they [...], defeated [[the Wire]] in [[1953]] [[London]], ([[TV]]: ''[[The Idiot's Lantern (TV story)|The Idiot's Lantern]]'') [...]." The reason for including it this much would be that the story had a very wide reach due to its television broadcast. I think that's all of the examples you 2 raised. Let me know if I missed any. In general, in my eyes, the summary should be, well, a summary, detailing the largest overall plot points, the broader arcs and the really, really signficant one-offs. Editors already have to make a lot of decisions regarding how content is presented on this wiki and so I trust that we will be able to handle a few more. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC) | : Certainly. For ''[[The Day of the Doctor (novelisation)|The Day of the Doctor]]'' (novelisation), I would exclude it from the summary because, as you mention, it is a minor appearance for the [[Thirteenth Doctor]] and that is the incarnation who we're concerned about in this summary. For Thirteen/[[Tenth Doctor|Ten]] [[Multi-Doctor story|multi-Doctors]], I think this would be done more case by case. [[Titan Comics]]' Thirteen/Ten stories could probably be mentioned all in one short parahraph in the summary as they are multiple stories that form a key arc in Titan's Thirteen Doctor run, one of the main strands of her non-TV media. ''[[The Edge of Reality (video game)|The Edge of Reality]]'' would probably also recieve a brief mention as it is one of the bigger Thirteenth Doctor releases (evidenced somewhat by the fact it has recieved physical releases on all major platforms, something that not every ''Doctor Who'' video game recieves). I'm struggling to think, off the top of my head, of any more multi-Doctors between these 2, but it should really come down to whether the story is a significant part of Thirteen's in-universe life or of the real-world era. For something like ''[[The Idiot's Lantern (TV story)|The Idiot's Lantern]]'', I agree that its not particuarly notable either in Ten's life or the real world era. Therefore, I would be tempted to include it, alongside other more minor stories, in the summary somewhat like this: "The Doctor and [[Rose]] continued to travel with each other for a while. During these travels, among other things, they [...], defeated [[the Wire]] in [[1953]] [[London]], ([[TV]]: ''[[The Idiot's Lantern (TV story)|The Idiot's Lantern]]'') [...]." The reason for including it this much would be that the story had a very wide reach due to its television broadcast. I think that's all of the examples you 2 raised. Let me know if I missed any. In general, in my eyes, the summary should be, well, a summary, detailing the largest overall plot points, the broader arcs and the really, really signficant one-offs. Editors already have to make a lot of decisions regarding how content is presented on this wiki and so I trust that we will be able to handle a few more. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
::Alright, thank you for giving me a concrete proposal. Let me just point out that ''you already disagree with someone else who is suggesting that we can summarize biographies in this way.'' You've described ''Idiot's Lantern'' as a minor story, when Nate explicitly considers it a major story. (As he considers ''all'' tv stories major stories.) And let me go one further here. ''Idiot's Lantern'' isn't important for 10's character arc. But you know what's even less important? ''Blink.'' I assume we'd keep ''Blink'' on the hypothetical trimmed down version of 10's biography. But this is perhaps the most obviously egregious violation of [[T:NPOV]] I can think of, that we would prioritize ''Blink'' over other stories, simply because it was televised and thus super popular and we should mention it. (I'm also not sure why ''Edge of Reality'' should get a mention and ''Day of the Doctor'' doesn't, given how important the latter is for the character overall and how the former is a complete nothing, but that's your prerogative.) I'd just like to ask if the other people who think this proposal is workable as-is agree with this. Because ''if they don't,'' and I'm willing to bet that there are disagreements, and these disagreements will only get more severe as we include more and more stories that might be considered "notable minor stories" (eg, [[Canaries (short story)|Canaries]] for quite a few Doctors or [[The Paradox Moon (short story)|The Paradox Moon]] specifically for 13), that's a serious problem for the idea that this is something trivial that we can just come together on without it being an issue. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:08, 8 January 2023 (UTC) | |||
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