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:::But with that said, I do think it ''muddles things'' to cover this stuff in such detail here. It's not useful to the reader. We should say "the Doctor met the Mara a bunch of times" once, and let them go to the Mara's history if they want a fuller account. Still, this page's scope ''should'' be a little broader than just sources which mention the Pantheon by name; we do need to document the retroactive-welding going on here to ''some'' extent. It's a key part of what Davies was up to, and highlighting connections between different, but connected stories is the bread and butter of Wikification. It's what makes us different from the common breed of reference guide that simply regurgitates the contents of individual episodes without drawing those lines from A to B. | :::But with that said, I do think it ''muddles things'' to cover this stuff in such detail here. It's not useful to the reader. We should say "the Doctor met the Mara a bunch of times" once, and let them go to the Mara's history if they want a fuller account. Still, this page's scope ''should'' be a little broader than just sources which mention the Pantheon by name; we do need to document the retroactive-welding going on here to ''some'' extent. It's a key part of what Davies was up to, and highlighting connections between different, but connected stories is the bread and butter of Wikification. It's what makes us different from the common breed of reference guide that simply regurgitates the contents of individual episodes without drawing those lines from A to B. | ||
:::Honestly, I also don't see anything wrong with the sentence [[User:TheChampionOfTime]] highlights re: Sutekh. "Combining multiple sources to highlight an ambiguous hole between the things left unsaid in either source" is, to my mind, a perfectly legitimate way of writing a Wiki page about this sort of plot point, mired in both deliberate ambiguities and contradictory retcons. We aren't doing the job properly if the reader comes away thinking this stuff is all dandy and coherent, because, well, it isn't. | :::Honestly, I also don't see anything wrong with the sentence [[User:TheChampionOfTime]] highlights re: Sutekh. "Combining multiple sources to highlight an ambiguous hole between the things left unsaid in either source" is, to my mind, a perfectly legitimate way of writing a Wiki page about this sort of plot point, mired in both deliberate ambiguities and contradictory retcons. We aren't doing the job properly if the reader comes away thinking this stuff is all dandy and coherent, because, well, it isn't. Essentially the quoted sentence is saying: | ||
:::::''"Sutekh, a character with a lot of preestablished DWU backstory (Old Sources, Old Sources) was depicted more recently as being mixed up with this stuff in a kind of mystifying way. (New Source)"'' | |||
:::And I just think that's a more truthful and useful summary of the facts, for a lead section, than exclusively citing Bad Wolf-era sources and sanding away the sharp edges. "The Pantheon, and Sutekh's involvement in it, is one big retcon trying together various disparate bits-and-bobs of continuity, and leaving a lot of questions unsanswered" is precisely what I meant to convey in that lead; I think it's what the lead ''should'' convey. | |||
:::Finally, I'll leave my interpretation which is certainly not definitive enough for Wikification, but seems to me relatively straightforward and side-steps the logical quibbles raised by the both of you. I think the idea is that Sutekh, having evolved into godhood while riding the TARDIS, ''founded the Pantheon'' '''''from there''''' (either recruiting or, if we must, ''siring'', other god-things along the way). If he could create Susans while staying put, why could he not spawn deities and scatter them through Time and Space, or, even more simply, communicate with preexisting deities and bully them into swearing fealty to him? | :::Finally, I'll leave my interpretation which is certainly not definitive enough for Wikification, but seems to me relatively straightforward and side-steps the logical quibbles raised by the both of you. I think the idea is that Sutekh, having evolved into godhood while riding the TARDIS, ''founded the Pantheon'' '''''from there''''' (either recruiting or, if we must, ''siring'', other god-things along the way). If he could create Susans while staying put, why could he not spawn deities and scatter them through Time and Space, or, even more simply, communicate with preexisting deities and bully them into swearing fealty to him? | ||
