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Did any episode actually say that this was a timeloop? Either way, just for the sake of argument, let's assume that it is a time loop. In that case, we can probably assume that the Silence who Amy saw on the beach winessed the Doctor's death and reported all the details back to Madame Kovarian and the other Silence. They would then know that somebody in a space suit kills something that lllooks like the Doctor. We already know that they were mistaken about "who" was killed, so how would they have any clue who was in the space suit. Why wouldn't they just put Kovarian, a Silence, a cleric, or some random person who they kidnapped, into the space suit, and let them kill the Doctor. This still leaves no reason for the ridiculously complicated plan to create River, and success is much more likely if they use someone who is not in love with the Doctor. Also, they must remember a time when tthe Doctor's death was not a fixed point, because if it was always a fixed point then no timeline could exit where the Doctor urvives to go to Trenzalore and reveal his name. [[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] <sup>[[User talk:Icecreamdif|talk to me]]</sup> 19:31, November 4, 2011 (UTC) | Did any episode actually say that this was a timeloop? Either way, just for the sake of argument, let's assume that it is a time loop. In that case, we can probably assume that the Silence who Amy saw on the beach winessed the Doctor's death and reported all the details back to Madame Kovarian and the other Silence. They would then know that somebody in a space suit kills something that lllooks like the Doctor. We already know that they were mistaken about "who" was killed, so how would they have any clue who was in the space suit. Why wouldn't they just put Kovarian, a Silence, a cleric, or some random person who they kidnapped, into the space suit, and let them kill the Doctor. This still leaves no reason for the ridiculously complicated plan to create River, and success is much more likely if they use someone who is not in love with the Doctor. Also, they must remember a time when tthe Doctor's death was not a fixed point, because if it was always a fixed point then no timeline could exit where the Doctor urvives to go to Trenzalore and reveal his name. [[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] <sup>[[User talk:Icecreamdif|talk to me]]</sup> 19:31, November 4, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:No episode directly said the events were in a timeloop but we did we that this is the fact, because future Doctor brought both his companions and past self to Utah which allowed the Doctor to learn enough so that he would later summon his companions and past self to Utah. And based off very nature of such paradoxes it would be nigh impossible to attempt to engineer one without being involved in the loop itself because to create it would actually require involvement in the first place. [[User:The Light6|The Light6]] <sup>[[User talk:The Light6|talk to me]]</sup> 00:42, November 5, 2011 (UTC) | |||
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