Talk:Have You Seen The Aliens Terms and Conditions (feature)

Short story?

Being very careful here to avoid T:SPOIL, but wondering why this is classed as a short story. Seems more that these are terms and conditions for an upcoming promotional event. I think, if the page is needed at all, it should be focused on the event itself (similar to #FindTheDoctor) rather than just the terms and conditions page. Either way, I think this needs a spoiler warning considering it relates to promotion for series 13 and especially considering this event is just getting started. Similarly, we now already have a page for 0800 678 3110, which as far as I'm aware was not mentioned in the terms and conditions but rather appears in various locations as part of the event itself. Think this also needs a dicussion as to whether it is or isn't a valid source. 66 Seconds ☎ 15:05, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

I agree that this may not be the best way to cover this. I personally think that the voicemail you hear if you phone 0800 678 3110 is probably deserving of its own page, valid short story or otherwise, but I also feel that it's probably too early to decide for definite. It was also probably be a good idea to give the interruptions that have been appearing on BBC One and, more recently, on billboards their own page, although the fact they have a few variants makes that sort of tricky. Once again, it might be worth waiting and seeing if a 'definitive', completely un-staticky, version appears. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎ 16:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

I've deleted it for now, because of spoiler concerns, but in the meantime it can be discussed without breaking Tardis:Spoiler policy. Shambala108 ☎ 16:48, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

I do think this Terms and Conditions thing will deserve a page in the fullness of time; it's not actually a real terms & condition page — it's written from an in-universe point of view, acting as though the Doctor is a real person employed by BBC Studios. As to whatever it should be valid — well, if the event it ties in with is real, it could be argued that it's a commercial, and thus an {{invalid}} story on those grounds.

Or perhaps some might think that, fictional or not, it isn't precisely narrative — which would eliminate it under Rule 1 of T:VS. If so the page should be recreated without that "(short story)" dab, and placed in Category:Non-DWU features. We shall see.

Regardless, I agree that not implementing coverage of it (valid or otherwise) until after Series 13 debuts is wise. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 17:48, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Since these terms and conditions are just that - terms and conditions without any semblance of a narrative - I'd say this definitely doesn't qualify as a short story. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 18:51, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I feel that it could maybe be covered as an invalid non-narrative feature as there is definitely in-universe details within the terms and conditions page, even if it isn't a valid short story. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎ 19:54, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that's best. This certainly isn't what we would classify as a story to be honest.

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16:14, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Deletion

I would rather not see this page deleted, but if it does end up happening, I think it would be a good idea to move the information on it to another, related, page, explaining how the terms and conditions page had some in-universe elements. Bongo50 ☎ 19:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

We're definitely not deleting it. An IP user seems to have left the deletion tag, while under the understandable but mistaken impression that a page being short is a problem. On this Wiki, when it comes to things like individual works of fiction, amount of content is not a factor on whether they get a page or not. If it's an individual piece of DWU fiction, it gets a page. There might be concerns about narrativity/validity, but Have You Seen… is definitely a goodly-sized piece of licensed Who prose, and very much worthy of a page even if there's comparatively little to say about it. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 19:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

My issue isn't that the page is short, but that it's both redundant and covers something that isn't a narrative story. (As I said, it's literally a terms and conditions page with the Doctor mentioned here and there.) But whatever, it's fine if it stays. 🤷 99.228.21.136^{talk to me} 21:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Being non-narrative has never meant that something doesn't get a page — just that it's invalid. Though your confusion in this matter is quite excusable, insofar as I (or some other admin) should long ago have concluded the rename discussion above, clarifying that we cover it as a non-narrative feature, not as a short story. It's pure forgetfulness that I didn't get around to that sooner. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 22:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)