Talk:Unbound Doctor

Not DWU or alternate reality?

If he met the real doctor in a in-universe story, then why is there a {{Notdwu}} tag at the top of the page? Perhaps we should treat him as a Doctor in an alternate universe who crossed timelines? Has anyone listened to the audio? --SOTO ☎ 23:25, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

We've already had this discussion (somehwere, in one of the forums) and it was decided that the brief mention that he earned in the 100 story was not enough to bring him into the DWU. If he had actually appeared, that would have been different. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 01:51, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

That discussion was at Forum:Is the Doctor in Sympathy of the Devil of mainstream continuity because he appeared in The 100 Days of The Doctor? Please do not readmit the myth of David Warner, or this character's appearance in The 100 Days of the Doctor, to this page.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  16:59: Sat 27 Apr 2013

New infobox image

Now that it has been decided that the doctor from Sympathy for the Devil (audio story) and the one from The Unbound Universe (audio anthology) are the same, may I suggest replacing the infobox image? This one not only is way less fuzzy, but also shows way more clearly the Doctor's face. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 02:25, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

Oops, didn't see your messages. I already replaced the images with ones pretty similar to yours. P&P talk contribs 02:44, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, no problem. They are pretty close to each other anyway. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 02:49, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

Rename

I agree this page might need a rename, but I absolutely oppose the use of Unbound to describe the universe which he comes from. Unbound Universe is a very ambiguous term, since there are around five more Doctors from Doctor Who Unbound. I know that Unbound Universe is the title of anthology recently released that made stories with him valid sources, but isn't the any other terms to describe the alternate timeline he comes from? OncomingStorm12th ☎ 22:11, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

But then we'll have a problem if another story like The Unbound Universe comes out, only with the Auld Mortality, Full Fathom Five, or Exile Doctors. What do we do then? --Pluto2 (talk) 05:59, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

I Don't see the reason for the rename as it follows proper naming conventions of having the name in which he first appears in the page name as per one of the rule. Why is it up for a rename? Adric♥Nyssa∩Talk? 16:29, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

And, honestly, I really wish that the list of appearences wasn't created until the discussion was finished. In this case, only one link would/will need to be moved, but , had it been done to other types of pages, this could cause a lot of extra unnecessary work. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 17:12, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

I'm fine with this, as long as it's entitled "Third Doctor (Unbound Universe)". This Doctor doesn't have a wholly different history up until the audios - it's the same up to The Night Walkers. This is the third incarnation of a different universe Doctor. --Pluto2 (talk) 04:47, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

Following the decision to make all Unbounds valid, maybe "Third Doctor (Sympathy for the Devil)" would be best. --Pluto2 (talk) 16:13, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

I always though that "Unbound Universe) was a rather inacurate dab term for him. But now, I think it is completly impossible to use it as a dab term. I plan to listen to all Doctor Who Unbound stories soon-ish. I'll try and come up with more fitting dab terms when I do. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 17:14, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

"I Don't see the reason for the rename as it follows proper naming conventions of having the name in which he first appears in the page name as per one of the rule."

Not quite, actually. Per T:DAB OTHER, characters from other realities get dabbed by the name for their universe/reality, rather than the story in which they first appeared. This is because, often, alternate universe characters are introduced in the same story as their main universe counterpart. Not for any other reasons. But (Unbound Universe) probably isn't a good dab term, as there are multiple. Hopefully, a new name can be thought of.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 05:27, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

Third Doctor rename

I propose that we rename this page to Third Doctor (Sympathy for the Devil), seeing how we know it’s the Third Doctor and Weir’s Doctor is called Third Doctor (Exile). Why is this page different? Ben Moore512 ☎ 16:34, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not sold on giving the Unbound Doctors any numbering. I heard the audios a while back, and don't remember any in-universe evidence for it. The only reason to associate these Doctors with the Third Doctor is that they were exiled by the Time Lords, but there was no indication that their second incarnation were the ones to be exiled. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 16:40, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

I’m not too sure on Weir, was she ever explicitly stated to be the Third? If not, we still list her as the Third. Ben Moore512 ☎ 16:50, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

Please do not make any changes until this discussion is resolved. It is against policy to make changes while the subject of the change is still under discussion. It's bad form to propose a change and then proceed to make the changes without waiting for others' input. Shambala108 ☎ 17:27, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

Sympathy for the Devil is clearly centered on the fact that the Third Doctor wasn't exiled to the UNIT years and wasn't there to prevent those invasions. The only way David Warner could be playing a later incarnation is if the Third Doctor was exiled somewhere else, never helped UNIT, got in trouble with the time lords again and was then re-exiled to Hong Kong 1997. That sounds utterly and completely illogical and idiotic. just list him as the Third which he is blatantly and obviously intended to be. To do otherwise is sheer pointless stubborn pedantry! 196.52.60.6^{talk to me} 05:54, August 21, 2018 (UTC)

Rename to "Unbound Doctor?"

In the recent competition to "Write a Benny Adventure," the Doctor (Sympathy for the Devil) is named "Unbound Doctor." Since this character is exploring the "prime" universe, wouldn't it be a good idea to credit him as a canon, separate Doctor? BritishSnake ☎ 21:53, September 10, 2019 (UTC)

1. We do cover this Doctor based on valid sources which tell us he’s from a parallel universe (see T:CANON on why there is no canon).
2. This is out-of-universe information, as I understand it? In almost all cases, we need in-universe confirmation for a name, or at least a credit (as with the War Doctor). Generally speaking, this would require either Benny or the Doctor himself using the words "Unbound Doctor" to refer to this incarnation.
3. The other thing is, there are many "Unbound Doctors". Several alternate Doctors came out of the Doctor Who Unbound. This is the one they market as "the" Unbound Doctor, but that is simply not the case. See above for why we can't simply call this the Unbound Universe and Unbound Doctor, in-universe.
   × SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 01:07, September 11, 2019 (UTC)

Since the time of this discussion, it has come to light that at least two in-universe stories refer to the parallel universe which this Doctor comes from as Unbound. While it's true that there are "other" Doctor Who Unbound releases, it's clear that, for Big Finish, this is meant to be recognized as The Unbound Universe, to some degree. This alone suffices for us to have Unbound Universe. I mean, there are a lot of worlds with Petes in it, and even a lot with Pete Tylers, but we clearly refer to a specific one as Pete's World, because there's an in-universe origin to it.

That, combined with the fact that Big Finish has referred to him as "the Unbound Doctor" in a semi-official way at least once, despite not being in a credit, now convinces me enough that this page could be at Unbound Doctor (ditto for Unbound Master). OncomingStorm12th ☎ 01:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)