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* [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc/Sandbox/Timeline - Eighth Doctor/MR|The Doctor's adventures with Charley Pollard in the Main Range]] may fit here, especially due to the fact that the way the Doctor disregards the [[Web of Time]] in these audios could be seen as a result of the [[Biodata virus]] he recieves in the ''What Happened on Dust'' segment (which happens to the [[Third Doctor]]) but which doesn't activate until now, or perhaps in ''Unnatural History''. <ref>https://www.tumblr.com/doctornolonger/185205914391/doctornolonger-doctornolonger-an-appendix-to?source=share</ref>
* [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc/Sandbox/Timeline - Eighth Doctor/MR|The Doctor's adventures with Charley Pollard in the Main Range]] may fit here, especially due to the fact that the way the Doctor disregards the [[Web of Time]] in these audios could be seen as a result of the [[Biodata virus]] he recieves in the ''What Happened on Dust'' segment (which happens to the [[Third Doctor]]) but which doesn't activate until now, or perhaps in ''Unnatural History''. <ref>https://www.tumblr.com/doctornolonger/185205914391/doctornolonger-doctornolonger-an-appendix-to?source=share</ref>
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Interference (novel)]]: Foreman's World
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Interference (novel)]]: Foreman's World
== Travels with [[Fitz Kreiner]] and no Sam Jones(EDA 27-72)==
== Travels with [[Fitz Kreiner]] and no Sam Jones before [[The Ancestor Cell (novel)|The Ancestor Cell]](EDA 27-36)==
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Blue Angel (novel)|The Blue Angel]]''  
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Blue Angel (novel)|The Blue Angel]]''  
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Taking of Planet 5 (novel)|The Taking of Planet 5]]'' - The Doctor enters [[War in Heaven|the War]] again, and [[Compassion]] is exposed to dozens of TARDISs
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Taking of Planet 5 (novel)|The Taking of Planet 5]]'' - The Doctor enters [[War in Heaven|the War]] again, and [[Compassion]] is exposed to dozens of TARDISs
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* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Banquo Legacy (novel)|The Banquo Legacy]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Banquo Legacy (novel)|The Banquo Legacy]]


== Ending [[War in Heaven|the War]] ==
=== Ending [[War in Heaven|the War]] ===
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Ancestor Cell (novel)|The Ancestor Cell]]'' - Following on from ''The Banquo Legacy'' by the Doctor mentioning a coat "he only just got" and a prelude to ''The Ancestor Cell'' in ''The Banquo Legacy''
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Ancestor Cell (novel)|The Ancestor Cell]]'' - Following on from ''The Banquo Legacy'' by the Doctor mentioning a coat "he only just got" and a prelude to ''The Ancestor Cell'' in ''The Banquo Legacy''
:::<u>CONTINUIY</u>
:::<u>CONTINUIY</u>
:::The Doctor ends the War on its first day, and so any story set in the [[Post-War universe]] must be set after this. He gains amnesia
:::The Doctor ends the War on its first day, and so any story set in the [[Post-War universe]] must be set after this. He gains amnesia
:::<u>NOTE</u>
:::<u>NOTE</u>
:::The [[Faction Paradox (series)|Faction Paradox]] short story [[The Story So Far... (short story)|The Story So Far...]] recontexualises this as the Doctor "falling from the Warring Heaven" rather than ending it properly.
:::The [[Faction Paradox (series)|Faction Paradox]] short story [[The Story So Far... (short story)|The Story So Far...]] recontexualises this as the Doctor "falling from the Warring Heaven" rather than ending it absolutely.
* [[PROSE]]: [[Now or Thereabouts (short story)|Now or Thereabouts]], with the context of ''With All Awry'' by [[Blair Bidmead]] (author of ''Now or Thereabouts''), shows the [[Eighth Doctor]] ("[[War veteran (Now or Thereabouts)|war veteran]]") fading away to be replaced with [[Christopher Eccleston]]'s [[Ninth Doctor]] ("[[Singing man (Now or Thereabouts)|singing man]]"). This fate of the Eighth Doctor is discontinous with his [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc/Sandbox/Timeline - Eighth Doctor/Time War|regeneration into the War Doctor]] and his [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc/Sandbox/Timeline - Eighth Doctor/The Moment|role as the one to end the Time War]].


== Footnotes ==
== [[Post-War universe]] (EDA 37-72) ==
=== "Earth arc"  (EDA 37-41)===
The Doctor is trapped on Earth with amnesia, presuming he is human as he looks it, for around 200 years (IMPROVE ACCURACY), meaning that the Earth-time is a good indicator for chronology here. The TARDIS is in the proccess of regenerating.
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Burning (novel)|The Burning]]'' ([[1894]])
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Evergreen (short story)|Evergreen]]'' ([[20th century]])- part of the [[Short Trips (series)|Short Trips]] series. The [[Eighth Doctor]] is still suffering from the amnesia he gained in ''The Ancestor Cell/The Burning''
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Casualties of War (novel)|Casualties of War]] ([[1918]])
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Wolfsbane (novel)|Wolfsbane]]'' ([[1936]]) - explicity set between ''Casualties of War'' and ''The Turing Test''. Crossover with the [[Fourth Doctor]] in the [[BBC Past Doctor Adventures]] range.
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Turing Test (novel)|The Turing Test]]'' ([[1943]]-[[1945]]) - The Doctor starts to realize he is not human
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Endgame (novel)|Endgame]]'' ([[1951]])
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Mordieu (short story)|Mordieu]]'' ([[1950s]]) - part of the [[Short Trips (series)|Short Trips]] series. Intended to be in the "Eath arc"
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Father Time (novel)|Father Time]]'' ([[1980s]]) - The Doctor raises his adopted daughter [[Miranda Dawkins]], and the TARDIs's outer shell has fully regenerated.
=== Back in the TARDIS (EDA 42-50) ===
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Escape Velocity (novel)|Escape Velocity]]'' - the TADIS has finished fully finished regenerating.
:::<u>CONTINUITY</u>
:::The TARDIS is a mixture of the classic "white room" and "victorian parlour" designs, with an octagonal console. [[Fitz Kreiner]] is reunited with the Doctor, and [[Anji Kapoor]] as joins the TARDIS. The Doctor's memories are still "a little hazy".
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[EarthWorld (novel)|EarthWorld]]'' - set immediaely after ''Escape Velocity''
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Fear Itself (novel)|Fear Itself]]'' - part of the [[BBC Past Doctor Adventures]], published after [[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|the final EDA]]. Explicity set "a few weeks after" ''EarthWorld'' and leads directly into ''Vanishing Point''.
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Eater of Wasps (novel)|Eater of Wasps]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Year of Intelligent Tigers (novel)|The Year of Intelligent Tigers]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Slow Empire (novel)|The Slow Empire]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Dark Progeny (novel)|Dark Progeny]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The City of the Dead (novel)|The City of the Dead]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Grimm Reality (novel)|Grimm Reality]]
 
=== Lost his second heart (EDA 51-58)===
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Adventuress of Henrietta Street (novel)|The Adventuress of Henrietta Street]]''
:::<u>CONTINUITY<u>
:::During his wedding to Scarlette, the Doctor's ''''[[binary vascular system|second heart]] is removed''' by [[Sabbath Dei]], allegedly to cure the Doctor of an illness caused by the heart's attempt to connect him to [[Gallifrey]], which no longer ever existed. This sets any story where the Eighth Doctor does not have a second heart between ''The Adventuress of Henrietta Street'' and ''Camera Obscura'', unless another placement overrides it.
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Mad Dogs and Englishmen (novel)|Mad Dogs and Englishmen]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Hope (novel)|Hope]]''
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Anachrophobia (novel)|Anachrophobia]]'' - set 2 days after ''Hope
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Fallen Gods (novel)|Fallen Gods]]'' - a [[Telos Doctor Who novella]] where the Doctor claims to have only heart, setting this between ''The Adventuress of Henrietta Street'' and ''Camera Obscura''.
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Trading Futures (novel)|Trading Futures]]'' - Fitz'z memory of events prior to ''The Burning'' is disappearing more severly.
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Book of the Still (novel)|The Book of the Still]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Crooked World (novel)|The Crooked World]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[History 101 (novel)|History 101]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Notre Dame du Temps (short story)|Notre Dame du Temps]]'' - part of the [[Short Trips (series)|Short Trips]] series. The Doctor only has one heart, setting it in this arc, although its specific placement is arbitary to the best of [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc]]'s knowledge.
=== [[Council of Eight]] arc (EDA 59-67) ===
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Camera Obscura (novel)|Camera Obscura]]
:::<u>CONTINUITY</u>
:::The Doctor's '''second hand''' starts to regrow.
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Time Zero (novel)|Time Zero]]'' - leads directly into ''The Infinity Race''
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Infinity Race (novel)|The Infinity Race]]'' - leads directly into ''The Domino Effect''
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Domino Effect (novel)|The Domino Effect]]'' - leads directly into ''Reckless Engineering''
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Reckless Engineering (novel)|Reckless Engineering]]'' - leads directly into ''The Last Resort''
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Timeless (novel)|Timeless]]'' - leads directly into ''Emotional Chemistry''
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Emotional Chemistry (novel)|Emotional Chemistry]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Sometime Never... (novel)|Sometime Never...]]'' - see [[Council of Eight]] for more information.
===Final adventures with [[Fitz Kreiner]] and [[Trix MacMillan]] (EDA 68-72)===
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Halflife (novel)|Halflife]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Tomorrow Windows (novel)|The Tomorrow Windows]]'' - the Doctor sees four possible ninth incarnations - the [[Shalka Doctor]] ("pale aristocrat"), [[Rowan Atkinson]]'s [[Ninth Doctor (The Curse of Fatal Death)|Ninth Doctor]] from ''[[The Curse of Fatal Death (TV story)|The Curse of Fatal Death]]'', [[Ninth Doctor 1 (The Tomorrow Windows)|a figure in a velvet suit and eyeliner]], and  [[Ninth Doctor 2 (The Tomorrow Windows)|a man with curly hair and a lopsided smile]].
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Sleep of Reason (novel)|The Sleep of Reason]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Deadstone Memorial (novel)|The Deadstone Memorial]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[To the Slaughter (novel)|To the Slaughter]]
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'' - the final EDA.
:::During the events of ''The Ancestor Cell'' the Doctor compressed the entire [[Matrix]] into his mind, causing the amnesia he had since ''The Burning''. This allows the Doctor to restore the Time Lords and Gallifrey to the universe, as seen in his future in ''The Tomorow Windows''. This "restoration of Gallifrey" was never shown, but many fans use it as a reason to place the [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc/Sandbox/Timeline - Eighth Doctor/8DA|Big Finish Eighth Doctor Adventures]] after this, among other adventures.
:::The events of ''The Ancestor Cell'' are greatly revised to make more sense.
 
==After [[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]==
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[We Can't Stop What's Coming (short story)|We Can't Stop What's Coming]]'' - part of the [[The Target Storybook (anthology)|The Target Storybook]] anthology. The Doctor is illustrated with his ''[[The Night of the Doctor (TV story)|The Night of the Doctor]]'' outfit, placing this story in the [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc/Sandbox/Timeline - Eighth Doctor/Time War|"Eighth Doctor regenerates into the War Doctor" continuity]], but he is with travelling with [[Fitz Kreiner]] and [[Trix MacMillan]]. Technically, this could place it at any point in the "Final adventures with Fitz and Trix" saga, but he is not described as wearing his ''Night of the Doctor'' outfit in any of those, so [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc]] think's this is the most logica. [[User talk:Cousin Ettolrhc]] if you think this is wrong.
 
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Infinity Doctors (novel)|The Infinity Doctors]]''
One of the may possible placements for ''The Infinty Doctors'' is on a restored Gallifrey post-''The Gallifrey Chronicles''
 
* [[The Emperor]] is suggested to be the [[Eighth Doctor]] in his future in ''The Gallifrey Chronicles''. The "New Gallifrey" spoke of in ''The Gallifrey Chronicles'' could be interpreted as [[The Needle]] and the [[Time Lord]]s the Doctor ressurcted from the [[Matrix]] in his mind are the [[Needle People]]. The Emperor's life and the [[Infinity Doctor]]'s lives also appear to be connected in some way.
 
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Revision as of 10:58, 9 April 2023

After the Doctor Who (TV story)1996 Doctor Who movie, BBC Books started publishing novels featuring the Eighth Doctor. These were unique in the sense that their continuity picked up immediately from the 1996 movie, unlike all other ranges then and since, with The Eight Doctors. Between that initial novel and the subsequent one, there was a gap in in-universe continuity, filled by User:Cousin_Ettolrhc/Sandbox/Timeline_-_Eighth_Doctor/Greenpeace gap.

TECHNICAL NOTE
PROSE: The Eight Doctors has been omitted from this list as it is already listed in [post-regeneration], but for context it is the first EDA

Travels with Sam Jones (EDA 2 - 26)

This was the first source to ever feature Faction Paradox and had the Eighth Doctor crossover with the future War, which he would do a few more times later in this series.

Sam and the Doctor are separated

(NOTE)
The Doctor mentions having returns to some places he and Sam had prevoiusly been to, and some new places, but clarifies he didn't have any "adventures" as he was just looking for him (PROSE: Seeing I)

Reuinted with Sam

Stacy and Ssard appear in this story, from the Radio Times comics

Travels with Sam Jones and Fitz Kreiner

Fitz Kriener joins Sam and the Doctor in the TARDIS
The events of The Scarlet Empress are mentioned as being "four months ago" and, although absent, Fitz is mentioned, setting this after The Taint, although its exact placement isn't clear as the "four months ago" quote isn't particulary useful as no strict chronology is in effect around these novels
The Doctor detects a temporal anomly in San Francisco, leading directly into Unnatural History (although the segment with blonde Sam mentioned in Unnatural History is not shown, just before it)
CONTINUITY
The Doctor looses his shadow, meaning any story where he does not have it and an alternative explanation is not given are set between this and Interference, where he regains it (partially)
The Doctor claims to be 1018 years old

Repeated exploits with the future War

There appears to be a gap between this section and the "Foreman's World" segment, which some stories may fit into

Travels with Fitz Kreiner and no Sam Jones before The Ancestor Cell(EDA 27-36)

CONTINUITY
While the Doctor takes Compassion to Earth, Fitz remains on Skale with Fillipa Cian. After living on Skale for some time, the Doctor returns for Fitz. On their way to pick up Compassion, they visit "strange dimensions", "worlds at an angle to reality", and "dreamlike places." (PROSE: The Shadows of Avalon)

Travels without Fitz Kriener

The Doctor's eyes keep changing from blue to green, showing the biodata virus is getting worse, placing this soon after Interference. He also has no companions, making it fit into the "Interference gap" quite nicely

Travels with only Fitz

  • PROSE: Growing Higher - part of the Short Trips series. Set here as the Doctor and Fitz are alone, and so it is in the gap mentioned above, before The Shadows of Avalon

Travels with Fitz and Compassion

Ending the War

  • PROSE: The Ancestor Cell - Following on from The Banquo Legacy by the Doctor mentioning a coat "he only just got" and a prelude to The Ancestor Cell in The Banquo Legacy
CONTINUIY
The Doctor ends the War on its first day, and so any story set in the Post-War universe must be set after this. He gains amnesia
NOTE
The Faction Paradox short story The Story So Far... recontexualises this as the Doctor "falling from the Warring Heaven" rather than ending it absolutely.

Post-War universe (EDA 37-72)

"Earth arc" (EDA 37-41)

The Doctor is trapped on Earth with amnesia, presuming he is human as he looks it, for around 200 years (IMPROVE ACCURACY), meaning that the Earth-time is a good indicator for chronology here. The TARDIS is in the proccess of regenerating.

Back in the TARDIS (EDA 42-50)

CONTINUITY
The TARDIS is a mixture of the classic "white room" and "victorian parlour" designs, with an octagonal console. Fitz Kreiner is reunited with the Doctor, and Anji Kapoor as joins the TARDIS. The Doctor's memories are still "a little hazy".

Lost his second heart (EDA 51-58)

CONTINUITY
During his wedding to Scarlette, the Doctor's 'second heart is removed by Sabbath Dei, allegedly to cure the Doctor of an illness caused by the heart's attempt to connect him to Gallifrey, which no longer ever existed. This sets any story where the Eighth Doctor does not have a second heart between The Adventuress of Henrietta Street and Camera Obscura, unless another placement overrides it.

Council of Eight arc (EDA 59-67)

CONTINUITY
The Doctor's second hand starts to regrow.

Final adventures with Fitz Kreiner and Trix MacMillan (EDA 68-72)

During the events of The Ancestor Cell the Doctor compressed the entire Matrix into his mind, causing the amnesia he had since The Burning. This allows the Doctor to restore the Time Lords and Gallifrey to the universe, as seen in his future in The Tomorow Windows. This "restoration of Gallifrey" was never shown, but many fans use it as a reason to place the Big Finish Eighth Doctor Adventures after this, among other adventures.
The events of The Ancestor Cell are greatly revised to make more sense.

After The Gallifrey Chronicles

One of the may possible placements for The Infinty Doctors is on a restored Gallifrey post-The Gallifrey Chronicles

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