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{{first pic|Disclaimer-bg.png|''This smug [[bastard]] knows exactly what he's doing...'' ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Disclaimer (GEOCOMTEX tie-in website feature)|Disclaimer]]'')}}
{{first pic|Disclaimer-bg.png|''Look at this smug [[bastard]], the very face of difficult-to-cover-disclaimers...'' ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Disclaimer (GEOCOMTEX tie-in website feature)|Disclaimer]]'')}}
On this site, tie-in websites have recently seen a great increase in coverage, especially with [[Forum:Temporary forums/Non-narrative fiction and Rule 1#Conclusion|non-narratives being validated]], so long as they comply with the updated rules (being fiction, etc.). However, with these sites, there's one big issue: '''the disclaimer pages'''.
On this site, tie-in websites have recently seen a great increase in coverage, especially with [[Forum:Temporary forums/Non-narrative fiction and Rule 1#Conclusion|non-narratives being validated]], so long as they comply with the updated rules (being fiction, etc.). However, with these sites, there's one big issue: '''the disclaimer pages'''.


Now, in some cases, such as the ''[[U.N.I.T. (tie-in website)|U.N.I.T.]]'' website's ''[[Privacy Policy, Disclaimer and Terms of Use (feature)|Privacy Policy, Disclaimer and Terms of Use]]'', the disclaimer pages are presented almost entirely in-universe, with a clearly separated section for a behind-the-scenes disclaimer of the site's fictitiousness. Although this works perfectly well, other sites don't quite do this. One fairly average example is the ''[[Millingdale (tie-in website)|Millingdale]]'' website's [[Disclaimer (Millingdale tie-in website feature)|disclaimer page]]. This, for the most part, provides solely in-universe information about the Millingdale company, such as how their [[ice cream]] is made, and even provides an image of [[Millingdale worker (Disclaimer)|one of their workers]] handing ice cream to [[Customer (Disclaimer)|a customer]]. However, right at the end, just as all seems good for validity:
Now, in some cases, such as the ''[[U.N.I.T. (tie-in website)|U.N.I.T.]]'' website's ''[[Privacy Policy, Disclaimer and Terms of Use (feature)|Privacy Policy, Disclaimer and Terms of Use]]'', the disclaimer pages are presented almost entirely in-universe, with a clearly separated section for a behind-the-scenes disclaimer of the site's fictitiousness. Although this works perfectly well, other sites don't quite do this. One fairly average example is the ''[[Millingdale (tie-in website)|Millingdale]]'' website's [[Disclaimer (Millingdale tie-in website feature)|disclaimer page]]. This, for the most part, provides solely in-universe information about the Millingdale company, such as how their [[ice cream]] is made, and even provides an image of [[Millingdale worker (Disclaimer)|one of their workers]] handing ice cream to [[Customer (Disclaimer)|a customer]]. However, right at the end, just as all seems good for validity:


{{quote|This is a fictional website for the new series of [https://web.archive.org/web/20060408043201/http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho Doctor Who].|[[Millingdale website]]|Disclaimer (Millingdale website feature)}}
{{quote|This is a fictional website for the new series of [https://web.archive.org/web/20060408043201/http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho Doctor Who].|[[Millingdale website]]|Disclaimer (Millingdale tie-in website feature)}}


Right at the end, with no separation other than a line break (as had been used periodically throughout the source), it unapologetically breaks the [[fourth wall]]. Now, with this, you could probably argue "that's clearly not meant to be part of the source", and you'd probably be right. However, there is another, more extreme example on the ''[[GEOCOMTEX (tie-in website)|GEOCOMTEX]]'' website, where after a paragraph of in-universe text, you're hit with:  
Right at the end, with no separation other than a line break (as had been used periodically throughout the source), it unapologetically breaks the [[fourth wall]]. Now, with this, you could probably argue "that's clearly not meant to be part of the source", and you'd probably be right - this is practically like the [[end credits]] of an episode, or the "[[John Hurt|JOHN HURT]] AS [[War Doctor|THE DOCTOR]]" text in ''[[The Name of the Doctor (TV story)|The Name of the Doctor]]'' - or even the behind-the-scenes disclaimer on the ''U.N.I.T.'' site to some extent (although of course, as stated earlier, that was a bit more clearly separated), in that it's not meant to be "real", rather providing important behind-the-scenes context into the work's production. However, there is another, more extreme example on the ''[[GEOCOMTEX (tie-in website)|GEOCOMTEX]]'' website, where after a paragraph of in-universe text, you're hit with:  


{{quote|Obviously we are completely fictional.  
{{quote|Obviously we are completely fictional.  


This is a fictional website created for the new series of Doctor Who by bbc.co.uk's official Doctor Who webteam. We apologise for any inconvenience caused if you thought this was a real website. If you would like to learn more about Doctor Who please click here.
This is a fictional website created for the new series of Doctor Who by bbc.co.uk's official Doctor Who webteam. We apologise for any inconvenience caused if you thought this was a real website. If you would like to learn more about Doctor Who please click here.
|[[GeoComTex website]]|Disclaimer (GEOCOMTEX website feature)}}
|[[GeoComTex website]]|Disclaimer (GEOCOMTEX tie-in website feature)}}


...Oddly enough, the word "here" doesn't appear to actually link to anything in later versions of the site, but that's not the focus of this debate. Now, most of the text above is quite clearly out-of-universe, as any rational [[human]] (or, incidentally, [[mole]]) being could probably figure out without much thought. However, the beginning text, "Obviously we are completely [[fiction]]al.", seems to present itself ''simultaneously'' as in-universe and out-of-universe, [[GeoComTex]] themselves commenting on their own fictionality.  
...Oddly enough, the word "here" doesn't appear to actually link to anything in later versions of the site, but that's not the focus of this debate. Now, most of the text above is quite clearly out-of-universe, as any rational [[human]] (or, incidentally, [[mole]]) being could probably figure out without much thought. However, the beginning text, "Obviously we are completely [[fiction]]al.", seems to present itself ''simultaneously'' as in-universe and out-of-universe, [[GeoComTex]] themselves commenting on their own fictionality.  


My main proposal is this: We create pages for these sources as valid, and '''''remove the clearly fourth-wall breaking content''''', leaving only some notes on the source page. In most cases, taking every part of the text in a source is fine, even if meta, but for these, I feel that "intent" is there for the start of these pages, but goes away as soon as they start rambling about how they're fictional, and how you should go check out ''Doctor Who''. This will allow in-depth documentation of corporations such as [[GeoComTex]] and [[Millingdale]], without too much yammering on about ''[[Doctor Who (in-universe)|Doctor Who]]'' and the [[BBC (in-universe)|BBC]].  
My main proposal is this: We create pages for these sources as valid, and '''''remove the clearly fourth wall-breaking content''''', leaving only some notes on the source page. In most cases, taking every part of the text in a source is fine, even if meta, but for these, I feel that "intent" is there for the start of these pages, but goes away as soon as they start rambling about how they're fictional, and how you should go check out ''Doctor Who''. This will allow in-depth documentation of corporations such as [[GeoComTex]] and [[Millingdale]], without too much yammering on about ''[[Doctor Who (in-universe)|Doctor Who]]'' and the [[BBC (in-universe)|BBC]]. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>


== Discussion ==
== Discussion ==
[[Category:User:Cookieboy 2005/OPs|Tie-in site disclaimers]]

Latest revision as of 17:25, 24 June 2023

Look at this smug bastard, the very face of difficult-to-cover-disclaimers... (PROSE: Disclaimer)

On this site, tie-in websites have recently seen a great increase in coverage, especially with non-narratives being validated, so long as they comply with the updated rules (being fiction, etc.). However, with these sites, there's one big issue: the disclaimer pages.

Now, in some cases, such as the U.N.I.T. website's Privacy Policy, Disclaimer and Terms of Use, the disclaimer pages are presented almost entirely in-universe, with a clearly separated section for a behind-the-scenes disclaimer of the site's fictitiousness. Although this works perfectly well, other sites don't quite do this. One fairly average example is the Millingdale website's disclaimer page. This, for the most part, provides solely in-universe information about the Millingdale company, such as how their ice cream is made, and even provides an image of one of their workers handing ice cream to a customer. However, right at the end, just as all seems good for validity:

This is a fictional website for the new series of Doctor Who.Millingdale website [Disclaimer (Millingdale tie-in website feature) [src]]

Right at the end, with no separation other than a line break (as had been used periodically throughout the source), it unapologetically breaks the fourth wall. Now, with this, you could probably argue "that's clearly not meant to be part of the source", and you'd probably be right - this is practically like the end credits of an episode, or the "JOHN HURT AS THE DOCTOR" text in The Name of the Doctor - or even the behind-the-scenes disclaimer on the U.N.I.T. site to some extent (although of course, as stated earlier, that was a bit more clearly separated), in that it's not meant to be "real", rather providing important behind-the-scenes context into the work's production. However, there is another, more extreme example on the GEOCOMTEX website, where after a paragraph of in-universe text, you're hit with:

Obviously we are completely fictional.

This is a fictional website created for the new series of Doctor Who by bbc.co.uk's official Doctor Who webteam. We apologise for any inconvenience caused if you thought this was a real website. If you would like to learn more about Doctor Who please click here.

GeoComTex website [Disclaimer (GEOCOMTEX tie-in website feature) [src]]

...Oddly enough, the word "here" doesn't appear to actually link to anything in later versions of the site, but that's not the focus of this debate. Now, most of the text above is quite clearly out-of-universe, as any rational human (or, incidentally, mole) being could probably figure out without much thought. However, the beginning text, "Obviously we are completely fictional.", seems to present itself simultaneously as in-universe and out-of-universe, GeoComTex themselves commenting on their own fictionality.

My main proposal is this: We create pages for these sources as valid, and remove the clearly fourth wall-breaking content, leaving only some notes on the source page. In most cases, taking every part of the text in a source is fine, even if meta, but for these, I feel that "intent" is there for the start of these pages, but goes away as soon as they start rambling about how they're fictional, and how you should go check out Doctor Who. This will allow in-depth documentation of corporations such as GeoComTex and Millingdale, without too much yammering on about Doctor Who and the BBC. ~~~~

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