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 == Opening post ==
 Simple thread this: I think it is a sensible and wise decision to split all of [[the Doctor's sonic screwdriver]] into separate pages for each model.
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 ::::The thing here with that proposal is that it only takes the TV show/movie into account. The Seventh Doctor used a screwdriver in expanded media beyond the movie. It’s only in the TV Series that the screwdriver is given a break after its destruction in ''[[The Visitation (TV story)|The Visitation]]''. We need to cover all the bases, which includes comics, audios etc. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:51, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 :::::Further I don’t think ''LEGO Dimensions'' is supposed to count here given that it’s a game in which you can choose your own Doctor to play as and he had to have a weapon. Although it’s still a source, it would not be enough to call it the First Doctor's screwdriver. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:51, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
+Another thing to take into the discussion… would we split the pages based on specific screwdrivers being destroyed and replaced with identical ones? Such as ''Smith and Jones'' technically gets rid of the screwdriver used all the way back in ''Rose'', but replaces it with an identical one. This happens to the Eleventh Doctor’s screwdriver and the Twelfth Doctor's second model as well. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:17, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
+: Same page IMO. Too much ambiguity. Who is to say that the Doctor didn't have multiple, so when he left the TARDIS he picked up the closest available model, leaving behind the model seen in other episodes? And that the model seen in ''Rose'' may have been left behind that day?
+: ''[[The Silver Turk (audio story)|The Silver Turk]]'', AFAIK, said the Doctor had a whole room full of sonics. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 10:25, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
+::Fair point. Let’s just keep each model contained to one page for the sake of sanity. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:28, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
+::: I also agree, both to the proposal in general and to keeping the pages to each model. And I guess I might as well lay out what I think the names for the pages should be.
+*[[Second Doctor's sonic screwdriver]], with [[First Doctor's sonic screwdriver]] as redirect,
+*[[Third Doctor's sonic screwdriver]] with redirects at [[Fourth Doctor's sonic screwdriver]] and [[Fifth Doctor's sonic screwdriver]],
+*[[Seventh Doctor's sonic screwdriver]] with a redirect at [[Eighth Doctor's sonic screwdriver]],
+*[[Eighth Doctor's second sonic screwdriver]] I suppose,
+*[[War Doctor's sonic screwdriver]],
+*[[Ninth Doctor's sonic screwdriver]] with a direct at [[Tenth Doctor's sonic screwdriver]],
+*[[Eleventh Doctor's sonic screwdriver]] with a redirect at [[Twelfth Doctor's sonic screwdriver]],
+*[[Twelfth Doctor's second sonic screwdriver]],
+*[[Thirteenth Doctor's sonic screwdriver]],
+*and [[Fourteenth Doctor's sonic screwdriver]].
+From there any future sonics would follow the same format, though it might be better to replace those 'seconds' with disambiguating by debut story. For example [[Twelfth Doctor's sonic screwdriver (Hell Bent)]], this would also be in line with potential pages like [[Ninth Doctor's sonic screwdriver (Scream of the Shalka)]]. [[User:Time God Eon|Time God Eon]] [[User talk:Time God Eon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
+:Late to the party but everyone's covered all the bases, it seems. I'm in agreement with the OP and the above - yes to the split, and the way it's been suggested we split. Short but sweet response from me. — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Send a space-time telegraph">@</span>]] 11:14, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
+::I like all your suggestions Time God Eon. Except that I am more fond of "second" than I would be with a dab. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
+:I'd prefer it to be [[Eighth Doctor's sonic screwdriver]] with a redirect at Seventh, because Eight uses it for much longer.[[User:Cousin Ettolrhc|Cousin Ettolrahc]] [[User talk:Cousin Ettolrhc|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:40, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
+:: Thinking about it, what are the differences between the Seven/Eighth Doctors' screwdriver to the Third/Fourth/Fifth's? Are they meant to be the same models? Also, if we go through with this split, would be merge [[The Doctor's sonic screwdriver (The Curse of Fatal Death)]] and [[The Doctor's sonic screwdriver (Scream of the Shalka)]] into our article on the Seventh/Eighth's (or Third's if we merge those). Sorry that I don't know this myself as the thread OP, but it's just occurred to me. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 14:07, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
+::: Although this could be saved for another thread if we can't figure it out, so we can split the pages now and merge any if the evidence arises later. I'd rather see the split go through than to be halted by umming about if some models are the same as others. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 14:08, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
+:::: Yeah, I'd be fine with that, for now I just based the list on how they're divided by the existing [[The Doctor's sonic screwdriver]] page, so having the initial split follow that and re-discussing it as needed works for me.[[User:Time God Eon|Time God Eon]] [[User talk:Time God Eon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:12, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
+== Conclusion ==
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+This was a very uncontroversial thread and so it's going to be a short closing post. The proposal passes, specifically naming pages by their first user with redirects for their later users. As such, we will go with the page names and redirects layed out by [[User:Time God Eon|Time God Eon]]. If any specific page names are causing issues, that can be discussed on the relevant talk page. Thank you very much to [[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] for producing most of the draft pages for the split and to [[User:Epsilon the Eternal|Epsilon the Eternal]] for his draft page. We will go ahead with those. Thanks to all those who particpated. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:06, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
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