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==Infobox pic==
== Doctor Who and the Time War and its relation to canon ==
After a careful review of the picture which has been in the infobox over a year, [[:file:Eighth Doctor.jpg]], I determined it was necessary to delete it. In my view, it was obviously improperly colour-balanced versus the most recent DVD release.  It was so red-shifted that it exaggerated the fact that McGann was wearing a wig, but, more disturbingly, it gave him roseacea.  The scene from which the picture came, his farewell to Grace at the end, is backlit, which always makes the subject appear dark at 250px. I tried playing around with the image to get it to look okay at 250px, but any lightening made the problem recur. It's just one of those scenes that looks fine on a TV, but when you bring it down to 250px,you run into problems.
''Doctor Who and the Time War'' definitely belongs on here, but shouldn't it be placed in the alternate timelines section? It's stated as events from a parallel universe by Davies and in the introduction. [[User:Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived|Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived]] [[User talk:Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:48, March 27, 2020 (UTC)
: A problem with classing it as an alternate timeline is the fact that the story is later alluded to in ''[[Revenge of the Nestene (short story)|Revenge of the Nestene]]''. [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:56, March 27, 2020 (UTC)
:: For one thing, an [[alternate timeline]] and a [[parallel universe]] are two different concepts in the ''Doctor Who'' universe. Something stated to be a parallel universe would necessitate the creation of [[Eighth Doctor (Time War World)]] or whatever, like e.g. [[Peter Tyler (Pete's World)]].


I've put up another image.  If people don't like it and want to change it, fine. Whatever we might think of the plot, it's a beautifully shot film and there are tons of great images of the Eighth Doctor.  But please don't try to use anything from that farewell scene at the end of the film. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''09:36:23 Tue&nbsp;'''14 Jun 2011&nbsp;</span>
::Furthermore, Davies doesn't say it's a parallel universe, he says the story constitutes a glimpse of "parallel events". This could mean many things, and must be confronted with Davies also saying in the same breath that "all stories are true", and, as [[User:WaltK]] said, with the fact that in a new story, written this year in full knowledge of ''Night of the Doctor'', he still chooses to reference facts from ''Doctor Who and the Time War''
:For the purposes of future clarification, please note that a user has put a new picture at [[:file:Eighth Doctor.jpg]].  The current picture at that page is ''not'' the one referred to in my earlier post. The current [[:file:Eighth Doctor.jpg|Eighth Doctor.jpg]] is perfectly acceptable.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''17:05:48 Tue&nbsp;'''14 Jun 2011&nbsp;</span>


Changed to [[:File:Eight.jpg]]. Previous image looked disproportioned, and may well be. This one is face on. Consulted Revan as to this change. Other opinions?----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 17:14, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
::It seems far more likely to me, in light of the latter comment, that he means it in the sense that we're seeing a glimpse into a parallel history ''of the show'' where [[Steven Moffat]] did not write ''[[The Day of the Doctor (TV story)|The Day of the Doctor]]'' and thus Davies was able to release ''Doctor Who and the Time War'' in DWM for the 50th anniversary. Which is distinct from the story, ''in universe'', being a parallel universe or alternate timeline.


Yes, I have an opinion. [[:File:Eight.jpg|The image you added]] isn't that great, it's too stretched. Although the Doctor's face in [[:File:Eighth Doctor.jpg|my image however]] looks just fine. Though this may not be a good enough reason, until this matter is resolved, that image you added is only temporary. [[User:Cortion|Cortion]] 17:34, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
::Heck, "parallel events" can mean anything. It could just be a case of events happening "in parallel", that is to say at the same time as one another. Considering what a brain-bendingly timey-wimey Time War is depicted by Davies in this story and ''[[Revenge of the Nestene (short story)|Revenge of the Nestene]]'', what's to say that somehow, the Eighth Doctor and the War Doctor don't simultaneously regenerate into the same incarnation as timelines collapse around them? Weirder things have happened in the DWU. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:04, March 27, 2020 (UTC)


I'm sorry, what? The image I added was a direct screenshot straight from the standard sized image. It isn't stretched. Your image is stretched if anything. The image I uploaded is a larger file and so it is of a higher quality. It is face on, rather than to the side. I have consulted Revan as to this change so it isn't just personal opinion. This image is often used in media to advertise the Eighth Doctor (but the screenshot is my own). These are my reasons. Lets look at yours: "I prefer this image." Hmm...sorry to sound harsh, but I already intended to change this image and waited to see what others thought. Of course I'm not saying that we should consult on every edit, but as a main page I think It deserves some discussion rather that just personal preference. If anyone can find an image better than this, I'd very much like to see it and if you still differ in opinion please state why. Thanks----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 17:43, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
::: Quick admin note (more related to the title than the discussion itself). This story's relation to canon, as far as the wiki is concerned, is the same as any other's: [[Tardis:Canon policy|"we don't believe there is such a thing as a "canon" for ''Doctor Who''"]]. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] ([[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|talk]]) 23:12, March 27, 2020 (UTC)


:Well, I'll weigh in on this, since I kinda started things by deleting the old pic.  I like both Skittles' and Cortion's pics.  I think they're both fine improvements on what was there before.  But if I'm honest, I do have a ''slight'' preference for Cortion's. It's one of my very favorite shots of McGann. As someone who's combed that movie for images on many occasions, I think I can pretty much guarantee Cortion hasn't unnaturally warped it.  Rather, [[Geoffrey Sax]] did. It's taken during the scene where things are very confused for the newly-regenerated Doctor, so there are some in-camera lens effects going on.  I think the fact that he's looking left is ideal for an infobox that's placed on the right of a page.  Given a choice between an image that's left-facing versus one where the person's eyes are skyward, I would naturally choose the left-facing one every time.  It's an old bit of design theory; you tend to want your subjects looking in the direction of the body of text.  It's one of the reasons that my offering to the page was right-facing. People will tend to reject images that face away from the text, and I wanted people actively looking for a better shot for the infobox.  Like I said, though, both are way better than what was there before. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''18:17:06 Fri&nbsp;'''17 Jun 2011&nbsp;</span>
::: The stuff in "alternate timelines" mostly refers to versions of this Doctor whose existence is presented in their respective stories as an alternative in relation to a ''primary'' version of the Doctor who is ''in the same stories'' (i.e. the "[[Johann Schmidt]]" Eighth Doctor who is an alternate future for the [[Seventh Doctor]] around whom the Klein arc revolves). ''[[Doctor Who and the Time War (short story)|Doctor Who and the Time War]]'' doesn't really fit that mould, so its current placement and framing is the right way to go. Instead of speculating the how and why of it all in the article itself, I think it's best just acknowledge that it differs from most accounts of the Eighth Doctor's final days and immediate future. People can decide for themselves how it happened and fits into their own personal "canon" (if indeed it fits for them at all :P) [[User:Toqgers|Toqgers]] [[User talk:Toqgers|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:09, March 28, 2020 (UTC)
:::: This is, I agree, the best approach (and the one, it seems, dictated by policy). We take things as they are, and offer alternate accounts when they're given. "Parallel events" can indeed mean so many things.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 04:08, March 28, 2020 (UTC)


I prefer the image I submitted because (like you said) it isn't warped and it's closer up. I'm not really sure why you like the other image. Because it's a full body shot? I think a face on image is much better than one where he's facing the text, simply because you want to see the character's face.----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 18:24, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
== Infobox image update? ==
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Eight.jpg|Current
McGannLooksLeft.jpg|#1
Eight Dark Eyes Infobox Example.jpg|#2
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I would like to propose a new infobox image (see right). — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk">•</span>]] 13:27, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


:I'm not sure how to explain my preference any better. I've described it pretty thoroughly, above.  I will say, though, that you're mischaracterising your shot, and therefore the differences between it and Cortion's. 
: The gremlin in me wants to propose an EU image considering television isn't this Doctor's primary medium. However I expect nobody to agree with me here. Just my thoughts on the matter. [[User:Epsilon|&#123;&#123;SUBST:User:Epsilon/signature&#125;&#125;]] [[User talk:Epsilon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
:: Ooh, this is actually really nice. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:54, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm against an EU image, but maybe it could be put to a vote? Might be worth getting a gallery going on here, of TV images as well as EU images, so people can then vote on preferences? — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk">•</span>]] 16:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


:*You can ''totally'' see Eight's face in ''both'' shots.  Neither your image's nor Cortion's are better than the other's at giving a clear representation of what the character looks like.  
:::: I feel unfortunately that the EU may not provide too many good images, as prose is usually unillustrated, comics can often vary in quality, and audio covers aren't the best source. Although, considering that Big Finish promo pictures can be used as valid illustrations now, we could look for an image of Eight in his ''Dark Eyes'' costume. [[User:Epsilon|&#123;&#123;SUBST:User:Epsilon/signature&#125;&#125;]] [[User talk:Epsilon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


:*Your picture isn't head-on.  It's taken from an unnaturally close up angle with the subject turned towards the camera, eyes up. Because of the innovative nature of Sax's framing, there are few examples of terribly static, head-on shot composition in the movie.  Thus, the actual choice is between two stylised pics — one with the eyes looking up and one with the eyes looking left. Both pics have some degree of focus-pulling tricks going on — yours loses focus around the edges because it's so tight on McGann's nose; Cortion's because Sax is actively trying to suggest the loss of equilibrium.  I never said that yours wasn't warped.  It is, because Sax is a dynamic director, and he had a great DOP working for him.   
::::: Added an example. [[User:Epsilon|&#123;&#123;SUBST:User:Epsilon/signature&#125;&#125;]] [[User talk:Epsilon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:18, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


:Now, I'm not saying there's an obvious "winner" between the two.  I'm just saying they're both very similar, but the one that's eyes-left pulls the reader towards the copy, whereas yours points the reader towards the wikia header.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''17:40:39 Sun&nbsp;'''19 Jun 2011&nbsp;</span>
::::::: I don't think that would be a good idea, in [[T:NPOV]] terms. The TVM look is one which all the various ranges agree upon as something the Eighth Doctor did look like at ''one'' point, while the ''Dark Eyes'' makeover is a quirk of one particular version. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


:Why not use the promotional photos, then? [http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/medialibrary/images/main-promo/costumes_05.jpg How about this one?] [[User:Mugen Kagemaru|Mugen Kagemaru]] 05:09, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
:::::::: I agree with Scrooge tbh. Also, Epsilon, TV isn't the Decayed Master's primary medium either but we still use an image from his TV appearance. — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk">•</span>]] 22:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


:All right, I've uploaded [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:8thDoc.JPG a cropped version of the above image]. If you want to use it, go ahead. [[User:Mugen Kagemaru|Mugen Kagemaru]] 22:57, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
:::::::: Same goes for the War Doctor too, I guess. — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk">•</span>]] 22:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


== "Casting" ==
::::::::: I didn't expect the ''Dark Eyes'' to be particularly the best idea. But when we've a characters with barely three onscreen appearances and hundreds in other mediums, it does strike me a little... unneutral to use a television image.
 
::::::::: Perhaps a tabbed gallery in thr infobox, so we can have images from Eight's different mediums? We don't ordinarily do this, especially given that Eight doesn't look that different between mediums, but considering Eight's era is 99% EU content, it may be a special case. [[User:Epsilon|&#123;&#123;SUBST:User:Epsilon/signature&#125;&#125;]] [[User talk:Epsilon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:08, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the "Casting" section has absolutely no sources? That information, if true (and the way it's written suggest to me that it... may not be), should have come from somewhere and we should make a point of ensuring that it's accurate. I just don't really know nor do I have access to sources that might illuminate such matters (with one exception that does not actually include much of the information present in the secion as-is, so...). Does anyone have any thoughts or sources, etc? If not, I plan on removing it because it's been bothering me. --[[Special:Contributions/Sean-Black|SB]] | [[User talk:Sean-Black|T]] 19:32, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Dark Eyes audio drama - new look Doctor ==
 
The cover for the new Big Finish audio drama '''''Dark Eyes''''' reveals that the Eighth Doctor has a new costume and new short haircut (Paul stopped using the wig). As a result, I'd say an updated image of him is needed on this page. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=478229038872950&set=a.215895871772936.75031.215891121773411&type=1&theater [[User_talk:Digifiend|<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="red"><b>Digifiend</b></font>]] 22:10, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
We can't include an image of the Doctor in his new look until the story has been released as it offends our "spoiler policy". --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 22:18, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
: Even when the story is released, we can't use cover images of people already on television, per [[T:ICC]]. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 00:01, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
::I didn't say it had to be on the infobox. There are already comic and novel images on the page, as well as an image from [[AUDIO]]: ''[[Other Lives]]'', and I take it those also fall under [[T:ICC]]. As far as I'm aware, there are no other pictures of the Eighth Doctor's new look, as Dark Eyes is it's debut. Fair enough about the spoiler policy, but Tybort, your logic is flawed. If, once it's released, the Dark Eyes cover image still cannot be used, then the Other Lives image should be removed as well, as it's from the same type of source. [[User_talk:Digifiend|<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="red"><b>Digifiend</b></font>]] 00:58, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
::: Then it probably should be removed. Comic images are fine, and the novel image comes from a in-story web illustration rather than a cover. Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I thought then I thought that rule meant the overall subject, rather than a look which wasn't seen in DWM or the TV movie, can't use covers. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 01:21, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
::::I don't think the rule was meant to mean "if a character was ever on TV, no cover images can appear of this character ever." I think it just means "if another appropriate image exists (as would be the case in most TV stories), don't use the cover image." In this case, it's from an audio story where no other appropriate image exists, so it would be fine to use the cover art. -- [[User:Rowan Earthwood|Rowan Earthwood]] <sup>[[User talk:Rowan Earthwood|talk to me]]</sup> 01:44, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
:::::The Big Finish CD's often include illustration within the CD booklet of the boxset. Since I've pre-ordered the boxset, I will add any such image to the article where appropriate. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 09:41, July 8, 2012 (UTC)
:::::: ...you still seemed to have added a promotional image from a cover, Revan to illustrate ''Dark Shadows''. Or am I missing something because it's a boxset? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 22:38, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
I had a look through the forums and found no objection to a cover being used as long as it represented a scene which takes place within the story. [[Forum:Character infobox image standards?]] was the reference I used, unless I'm missing something vital. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 22:41, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Behind the scenes ==
The "continuity contradictions" section of Behind the scenes claims that the ''DWM'' stories slot during the three year break from Sam. Yet here and on [[Forum:Timeline - Eighth Doctor]], the ''DWM'' stuff post-dates the EDAs. Someone more familiar with wiki discussion over Eight's chronology clarify? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 10:48, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
:The section was a bit of a mess, it's trying to explain all the continuity problems and be a timeline section.
:I've re-written and re-structured it a little bit and added a link to the Timeline project. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:56, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
::I made another editing pass today on this section and I removed that timeline link.  Timeline stuff is just a forum thread.  It's not "the belief of the community" or however it was phrased.  [[Forum:Timey-wimey detector]] is well linked from the main navbar; there's no need to link it from individual articles.  Such linkage falsely implies it's on par with information in our articles.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 13:39: Mon 12 Nov 2012</span>
=== Canon debate ===
When I encountered it, article had this dubiously helpful information:
:Due to the nature of the 1996 movie, and certain continuity-bending issues raised by it, the place of the eighth incarnation within canon remained a matter of sometimes heated fan debate for more than a decade, until the revival of ''Doctor Who'' in 2005 directly addressed the issue.
 
:In the 2007 episode [[TV]]: ''[[Human Nature (TV story)|Human Nature]]'', a drawing of the eighth incarnation, as played by McGann, was briefly glimpsed on one of the pages of [[John Smith (Tenth Doctor)|John Smith]]'s "[[A Journal of Impossible Things (Human Nature)|A Journal of Impossible Things]]", alongside drawings of other established incarnations. Later, the 2008 Christmas special, [[TV]]: ''[[The Next Doctor]]'', put the issue to rest fully by including brief footage of Paul McGann from the TV movie in a recap of the Doctor's first nine incarnations. A similar on-screen appearance, again using footage from the movie, occurred in the 2010 episode [[TV]]: ''[[The Eleventh Hour]]'' in another "roll call" of past Doctors. An image of the eighth incarnation appeared yet again during a sequence in the later Series 5 episode, [[TV]]: ''[[The Lodger (TV story)|The Lodger]]'', which also included a line of dialogue explicitly identifying the incarnation played by [[Matt Smith]] as the eleventh, and therefore accounting for the incarnation portrayed by McGann.
This seems to have survived from the Dark Times on this wiki, but it's not particularly relevant now.  It's been a long damn time since anyone in fandom seriously posited the notion of Eight being "unofficial" in any sense.  We've known since ''Rose'' that Eccleston was the Ninth Doctor. RTD made that very clear when he stepped in and declared ''Shalka'' invalid. The BBC website has ''always'' referred to Eccleston as Nine ''from day one''.  Yes, there was long the narrative possibility that he wasn't, but, realistically, it's always been production intent that he be viewed as Nine.
 
Point is, this passage seems to unnecessarily drag us into a "canon debate", and there's really no point to it.  What the article could use, instead, is a well-annotated explanation of how the ''specific'' issues of "half-human-ness" and kissing were ''controversial''.  But "canon" shouldn't be the main focus of it.  It's hard to say fans ever had an argument for him being non-canonical when they saw McCoy regenerate into him. The issue is just that (some) fans '''didn't like''' these two aspects of his character.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 13:39: Mon 12 Nov 2012</span>

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Doctor Who and the Time War and its relation to canon[[edit source]]

Doctor Who and the Time War definitely belongs on here, but shouldn't it be placed in the alternate timelines section? It's stated as events from a parallel universe by Davies and in the introduction. Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived ☎ 20:48, March 27, 2020 (UTC)

A problem with classing it as an alternate timeline is the fact that the story is later alluded to in Revenge of the Nestene. WaltK ☎ 20:56, March 27, 2020 (UTC)
For one thing, an alternate timeline and a parallel universe are two different concepts in the Doctor Who universe. Something stated to be a parallel universe would necessitate the creation of Eighth Doctor (Time War World) or whatever, like e.g. Peter Tyler (Pete's World).
Furthermore, Davies doesn't say it's a parallel universe, he says the story constitutes a glimpse of "parallel events". This could mean many things, and must be confronted with Davies also saying in the same breath that "all stories are true", and, as User:WaltK said, with the fact that in a new story, written this year in full knowledge of Night of the Doctor, he still chooses to reference facts from Doctor Who and the Time War
It seems far more likely to me, in light of the latter comment, that he means it in the sense that we're seeing a glimpse into a parallel history of the show where Steven Moffat did not write The Day of the Doctor and thus Davies was able to release Doctor Who and the Time War in DWM for the 50th anniversary. Which is distinct from the story, in universe, being a parallel universe or alternate timeline.
Heck, "parallel events" can mean anything. It could just be a case of events happening "in parallel", that is to say at the same time as one another. Considering what a brain-bendingly timey-wimey Time War is depicted by Davies in this story and Revenge of the Nestene, what's to say that somehow, the Eighth Doctor and the War Doctor don't simultaneously regenerate into the same incarnation as timelines collapse around them? Weirder things have happened in the DWU. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 22:04, March 27, 2020 (UTC)
Quick admin note (more related to the title than the discussion itself). This story's relation to canon, as far as the wiki is concerned, is the same as any other's: "we don't believe there is such a thing as a "canon" for Doctor Who". OncomingStorm12th (talk) 23:12, March 27, 2020 (UTC)
The stuff in "alternate timelines" mostly refers to versions of this Doctor whose existence is presented in their respective stories as an alternative in relation to a primary version of the Doctor who is in the same stories (i.e. the "Johann Schmidt" Eighth Doctor who is an alternate future for the Seventh Doctor around whom the Klein arc revolves). Doctor Who and the Time War doesn't really fit that mould, so its current placement and framing is the right way to go. Instead of speculating the how and why of it all in the article itself, I think it's best just acknowledge that it differs from most accounts of the Eighth Doctor's final days and immediate future. People can decide for themselves how it happened and fits into their own personal "canon" (if indeed it fits for them at all :P) Toqgers ☎ 00:09, March 28, 2020 (UTC)
This is, I agree, the best approach (and the one, it seems, dictated by policy). We take things as they are, and offer alternate accounts when they're given. "Parallel events" can indeed mean so many things.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 04:08, March 28, 2020 (UTC)

Infobox image update?[[edit source]]

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I would like to propose a new infobox image (see right). — Fractal Doctor • 13:27, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

The gremlin in me wants to propose an EU image considering television isn't this Doctor's primary medium. However I expect nobody to agree with me here. Just my thoughts on the matter. {{SUBST:User:Epsilon/signature}} ☎ 16:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Ooh, this is actually really nice. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 16:54, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
I'm against an EU image, but maybe it could be put to a vote? Might be worth getting a gallery going on here, of TV images as well as EU images, so people can then vote on preferences? — Fractal Doctor • 16:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
I feel unfortunately that the EU may not provide too many good images, as prose is usually unillustrated, comics can often vary in quality, and audio covers aren't the best source. Although, considering that Big Finish promo pictures can be used as valid illustrations now, we could look for an image of Eight in his Dark Eyes costume. {{SUBST:User:Epsilon/signature}} ☎ 21:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Added an example. {{SUBST:User:Epsilon/signature}} ☎ 21:18, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
I don't think that would be a good idea, in T:NPOV terms. The TVM look is one which all the various ranges agree upon as something the Eighth Doctor did look like at one point, while the Dark Eyes makeover is a quirk of one particular version. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 21:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
I agree with Scrooge tbh. Also, Epsilon, TV isn't the Decayed Master's primary medium either but we still use an image from his TV appearance. — Fractal Doctor • 22:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Same goes for the War Doctor too, I guess. — Fractal Doctor • 22:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
I didn't expect the Dark Eyes to be particularly the best idea. But when we've a characters with barely three onscreen appearances and hundreds in other mediums, it does strike me a little... unneutral to use a television image.
Perhaps a tabbed gallery in thr infobox, so we can have images from Eight's different mediums? We don't ordinarily do this, especially given that Eight doesn't look that different between mediums, but considering Eight's era is 99% EU content, it may be a special case. {{SUBST:User:Epsilon/signature}} ☎ 22:08, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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