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== Front page ==
== "Ears conspiracy" ==
Can't seem to find this complaint of which you speak.  What exactly is the issue and how would you suggest we handle it?  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 17:04: Sat 08 Jun 2013</span>
Hi, sorry this reply took so long, been wrapped up in my university finals for the past few weeks. I have looked further into what I like to call the "Ears conspiracy"; When the Doctor first looks in Rosa's mirror, he does more than comment on his ears. He full on says it "could have been worse", alluding to a recent regeneration that he hasn't seen the end result from. And, in ''The Beast of Babylon'', he only starts talking about Rose when telling Ali about his trip to Earth from ''Rose'', and when saying Ali has traits similar to her. Granted, he brings the whole thing up at random after showing the planet to her, so perhaps it's still a recent thing for him. But, he still talks about "when [he] met Rose, [he]'d only just regenerated", "still finding [his] feet", with a mindset of "new body, new start, new companion".
:We need to clearly establish that information from the BBC can still be a spoiler.  The 7b Blu-ray fiasco was an "official", if mistaken, release from the BBC.  Many, many press releases come from the BBC which run afoul of our spoiler policy.  It's important to convey that something can be a spoiler '''even if it comes from the BBC'''.  We're talking about the organisation that we know robbed us of the surprise of a ninth regeneration and any suspense about the ending of ''[[The Parting of the Ways]]''.
 
:It seems to me that we have to weigh the costs and benefits here.  Are the views of one person on Skype enough to muddle the clarity of the statement as worded?  They might be, and I'm not opposed to kicking around some modification of language.
 
:'''''But — '''''
 
:This wiki just spent a week last month being '''''incredibly''''', pro-actively ''pro'' BBC.  At their request, we took ''extraordinary steps'' to help keep their secrets.  Is it reasonable to interpret us as anti-BBC just because we've said that the BBC spoils their own product?  Everyone knows they spoil all the time. They spoiled the regeneration on the beach thing of ''[[The Impossible Astronaut]]''.  They spoiled the cliffhanger of ''[[Daleks in Manhattan]]'', back when they still owned and operated ''[[Radio Times]]''. They spoiled the whole [[Silent]]s/[[Silence]] thing, prior to the release of ''[[The Wedding of River Song (TV story)|The Wedding of River Song]]''. And, of course, they famously spoiled the 20th anniversary by okaying the release of [[The Five Doctors (novelisation)]] two weeks in advance of [[The Five Doctors (TV story)]]. 
 
:Rule #1 of any fan trying to avoid spoilers is to stay away from the letters B, B, and C. 
 
:Is it really an ''insult'' to the BBC to point that out?  I dunno, but it's certainly not slander.  According to what our definition of ''spoiler'' is, the BBC do in fact spoil stuff on a regular basis. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 21:12: Sat 08 Jun 2013</span>
 
Why did you delete my page? It obeys all of the community guidelines and is 100%  true. I spent all afternoon in Hospital making that while I was waiting for the GP. This is just stupid and mean.
 
Boris
 
== The Name of the Doctor ==
 
Hello :) Could you explain me why you reverted my edit in the continuity section of ''[[The Name of the Doctor (TV story)|The Name of the Doctor]]'', so that I won't fail in future? Thank you :) --[[User:HarveyWallbanger|HarveyWallbanger]] [[User talk:HarveyWallbanger|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:34, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
: Thanks for your detailed answer :) I am not convinced 100%. The case I mentioned is when the Fourth Doctor wakes up for the first time and tries to flee with the Tardis in front of Sarah Jane and the Brigadier, in a hurry, because he says he doesn't like goodbyes. Eventually he changes his mind, I know, but... I won't complain again :) --[[User:HarveyWallbanger|HarveyWallbanger]] [[User talk:HarveyWallbanger|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:27, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
== My email ==
 
Hey There, I wanted to check in with you and see if you received my email. I sent it a few days ago. Let me know. Thanks, --[[User:Sarah Manley|Sarah]]<staff /> <small>([[w:c:community:Forum:Community_Central_Forum|help forum]] | [[w:c:community:Blog:Wikia_Staff_Blog |blog]])</small> 15:52, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
== War Doctor image ==
 
Hello :) I had a question regarding the image of the young [[War Doctor|War Doctor (Hurt)]], I few days ago I entered the infobox doctor but then I noticed that the image has moved and is now located directly below the infobox . Please, if possible, to repair the error.
 
(excuse my english but I'm not a native speaker)--[[User:William warlow|William Warlow]] [[User talk:William warlow|banger|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:27, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
Thanks for the reply but I'm afraid you've misunderstood what I was asking was not to put the image of the young doctor as the main picture but because after entering the infobox that lists the various incarnations of the Doctor the image moves, finishing further down the page instead of where it really should be (in so far talks about how the eighth doctor was risen from the sisterhood of Karn) --[[User:William warlow|William Warlow]] [[User talk:William warlow|banger|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:50, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
== Images ==
Hey :) Before we get into a little edit war over the image at [[Dalek time controller]] and elsewhere, I thought I would explain why I'm having to delete a lot of your work today.  '''It really is important that you follow our image rules''', particularly about size.  As of today, 250px is the '''absolute minimum''' width that is acceptable.  It's not a ''suggested'' minimum, or a mere guideline.  It's really, truly, the minimum width, because 250px is the width of the infobox.  And this number will soon be revised upwards, for technical reasons.
 
Here's the deal: pictures are being taken and displayed in so many more ways than they were when you and I first joined Wikia. It used to be that you put an image in an infobox and that was the only place on the whole network where it lived.  So a lot of us, me included, operated under the theory you probably still believe: better ''any'' image than no image.
 
But that's not how it is anymore.
 
Every picture on the site has to work in:
*the infobox
*at thumbnail level, in the body of an article
*the mobile skin
*at both widths of the images at "Our Top 7",  
* in MyWikia,
* even within search results 
 
And it's not just the locations that have multiplied.  '''It's the quality of the devices on which the site is viewed.''' Monitor quality has exploded just in the last three years. People buying even ''phones'' today have much greater resolution than was ever possible before.  Seriously, look at our site on an iPad Retina and you'd instantly want to start deleting pics out of sheer ''embarrassment''.
 
So the old adage, "better something than nothing" really doesn't apply anymore.  It honestly makes our site look better on modern devices to go with '''nothing''' than to go with something of poor quality.
 
Let me illustrate by putting two Dalek images side-by-side, as seen in MyWikia.
 
{|class=wikitable
!<250px
|well over 250px
|-
|[[File:MyWikiaDalekTimeController.png|400px]]
|[[File:MyWikiaAsylum.png|400px]]
|}
 
You can see the difference in quality, even at this small size. But go ahead and expand those pictures to their native size. It doesn't take much scrutiny to see how incredibly badly pixellated your image on the left is.  That's cause it's having to stretch something that's really tiny by a factor of more than four. 
 
Also, you'll note that all that extra height that was on your image goes absolutely nowhere in MyWikia.  All we've got is an eyestalk, anyway, so how is your picture actually ''illustrating'' the difference between a Dalek and a Dalek Time Controller?  And your pic of Molly?  All you could see in MyWikia was her forehead.  Widescreen isn't just a stylistic choice for us: It's a technical necessity.
 
Now, look, I recognise that trying to illustrate audios is hard.  You're basically limited to just the cover.  But you still have to hit the technical minimums. One way you can more reliably do this is to get the highest resolution cover image possible.  Usually Big Finish see out a giant 1600 sized version right around the time of release.  Go for this one. Or scan the cover yourself to a huge size.  And, yanno, don't try to hit 250px exactly.  '''Go as wide as you can, with as high a quality source as you can, while still staying under 100kb in total file size'''.
 
And if you can't get something that fits the minimums, don't illustrate it at all. This is gonna really impact your work here once I do the math and find out the new optimum minimum size. (My guess is, though, that the new minimum is going to be about 450px.) 
 
Honestly, the site looks better when we choose ''not'' to illustrate over using a very low-width image.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 19:07: Fri 06 Dec 2013</span>
 
== Reverting my edit ==
 
Hi, please explain why you used rollback to remove my edit to the Timey-wimey detector page. How is that not a similar device? [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]] <small>([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 22:20, December 24, 2013 (UTC)
:A much easier way of reverting changes like that is to go into the article's history, compare the current revision to the last good one and undo it from the diff between the two. [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]] <small>([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 22:32, December 24, 2013 (UTC)
{{Christmas greetings}}
 
== [[Template:Doctors]] ==
 
Hey, [[Template:Doctors]] is squashed in both my browsers and both my skins. Could you possibly update it (I've fixed it [[User:RansomTime/Template:Doctors|here]]) -- '''[[User:RansomTime|<span style="color:black;">Ransom</span>]][[User talk:RansomTime|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Time</span>]]''' 21:03, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
: Hi there, I've noticed this recently, too, but thought it was just me. You're best asking User:CzechOut for that, he's our techie around here. Hope that helps! --Revan\Talk 21:06, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
:: Ok sure, I'll give him a note (hope you don't mind that I've moved the message here, a conversation on a talk page is incredibly hard to follow if you use more than one page to do it!) -- '''[[User:RansomTime|<span style="color:black;">Ransom</span>]][[User talk:RansomTime|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Time</span>]]''' 21:07, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
==Alice Watson?==
But Alice is listed as his companion on the audio's page.
 
== SOTO nomination ==
The admin nomination for [[User:SmallerOnTheOutside]] is drawing swiftly to a close. Did you have any thoughts on it? [[Tardis:User rights nominations|Please go here if you do.]] {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 23:56: Tue 31 Dec 2013</span>


So sorry but you wrong about the timeline of the Last Great TW... please look the events
To be honest, I was kind'a hoping to not find anything when I was looking into this; I like the theory and solution you and I came up with together. But, facts like these can't be ignored, otherwise we'd be divulging into the taboo that is speculation and theorising by selecting what print we choose to follow.
REALLY LOOK :)


--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:53, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
Also, while I'm here, you recently moved ''The Bleeding Heart'' to before ''The Oncoming Storm''. Does the Doctor act the same as he does in ''The Oncoming Storm'', or is he using his blue sonic screwdriver in ''The Oncoming Storm''? Sorry to be a pain about it, but I don't have the funds to listen to ''The Churchill Years'' or ''Ninth Doctor Chronicles'' and have to get my infomsation ftom second hand sources to update the [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Theory:Timeline_-_Ninth_Doctor timeline theory page]. Perhaps I could interest you into editing it with me, since you clearly know more about the Ninth Doctor's Big Finish adventures than I do at the moment.


Priyan says Engin Rassilon want them to prepared for the Ultimate Sanction this put Sky Jack before The End of Time
Hope you have a nice day,
LOGİCAL RİGHT :)--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:22, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:45, April 3, 2018 (UTC)


Thanks :)--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:45, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
I haven't found any ''Vortex'' or forums in Google search, but have made a note of it with a source tag anyway. I did find that free audio you mentioned, thank you for that. Will give it a listen when I have the time.[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:39, April 3, 2018 (UTC)


Rassilon - list of appearances
It would seem the novelisation of ''The Day of the Doctor'' has brought an end to our debate. According to [[User:NateBumber]], the freshly regenerated Ninth Doctor smashed all the TARDIS mirrors due to a vow he took to never find out what face he was wearing, apparently to atone for killing the children of Gallifrey. With this knowledge, we now know why he said "could have been worse" when accidently looking at Rose's mirror; he's emotionally recovered enough to not be bothered about catching an accidental glimpse, and analyse his features. I think you're right about the "ears complex"; he's probably felt them enough to dislike them, and getting a good look at them did not changed his opinion.[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:46, April 5, 2018 (UTC)
razz dont appeared on journey to the centre of the tardis --[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:31, March 2, 2014 (UTC)


Cult of the Black Sun (created by faction paradox) and the Order of the Black Sun are the same ? If they are war between order and the time lord is part of THE WAR.--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:16, March 6, 2014 (UTC)


== Liv Chenka
You know, the novelisation of ''Rose'' might just of given us a rare moment in debating that scarcely happens; the chance for both parties to be right.
==
I believed that ''Rose'' happened early due to the Ninth Doctor's comments about how it "could have been worse" when looking in a mirror, and authorial intend behind the line.
You believed that ''Rose'' happened later due to, and I quote, "The Beast of Babylon [framing] all its story around [the ending of] Rose".
In the novelization, it is mentioned that there was a twelve week gap between these two incidences, which does not seem to contradict the television story and making it valid by the wiki's rules. If my math is right, that leaves 84 days maximum unaccounted for.


Why remove her as Seventh Doctor's companion? I'd say she definitely acted as the (one-off) companion in ''Robophobia''. If we count, say, [[Evelyn Chan]] or [[Astrid Peth]] as companions, I see no reason not to count Liv. [[User:JagoAndLitefoot|JagoAndLitefoot]] [[User talk:JagoAndLitefoot|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:47, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
I propose that at the tail end of his "early days", he meets Rose at Hendrik's, gets the Auton arm and then leaves, believing his work done. After his twelve weeks of "solitary exploits" (that can include the anthology short stories and cameo appearances), he returns to London again for whatever reason, properly the TARDIS bringing him to "where [he] needed to be" I guess.


I have listened to Dark Eyes II, a few times, and that doesn't change the fact that it was Sally Armstrong who set up the Institute and then later on got £1bn funding from Kotris as the Doctor, and then set up shop in 107 Baker Street. Also, even if you disagree with my edit, the past edit said that the Eighth Doctor (not Kotris) gave the funding, and then that Kotris ''did'' give funding. At least my edit didn't contradict itself...
What do you think?
[[User:Fadedeathdave|Fadedeathdave]] [[User talk:Fadedeathdave|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:19, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:26, April 20, 2018 (UTC)


== Stegosaurus ==
== "Whoisdoctorwho.co.uk" question ==
How come the information from [[Whoisdoctorwho.co.uk]] is in the behinds the scenes section of pages with the out-of-universe information, but the page and all related pages are categorized as in-universe information?


Hello there. Can you please tell me what was wrong with my last edit on the [[stegosaurus]] article? That information I added was both genuine and sourced. --<span style="font-variant: small-caps; font-family: Trebuchet; font-size: 12px">[[User:LelalMekha|<span style="color:darkred;">'''Lelal Mekha'''</span>]]</span> [[File:Rassilon seal.jpg|20px]]<sup> [[User talk:LelalMekha|(Parlour)]]</sup> 21:22, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
If its a lack of citation needed on the main sections, why not use ([[WC]]: ''[[Defending the Earth!|Who is Doctor Who]]'')?
*Addendum to my previous message: I hereby provide you with  [http://img110.xooimage.com/files/8/8/4/vlcsnap-2014-09-1...1m14s159-47a857f.png photographic evidence] that the information I added was indeed featured in ''The Lost Boy.'' --<span style="font-variant: small-caps; font-family: Trebuchet; font-size: 12px">[[User:LelalMekha|<span style="color:darkred;">'''Lelal Mekha'''</span>]]</span> [[File:Rassilon seal.jpg|20px]]<sup> [[User talk:LelalMekha|(Parlour)]]</sup> 22:35, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:50, April 8, 2018 (UTC)
**Your vigilance does you credit. I admit I should have added a bit more context in my edit summary. As a matter of fact, I should even add it in the article proper. --<span style="font-variant: small-caps; font-family: Trebuchet; font-size: 12px">[[User:LelalMekha|<span style="color:darkred;">'''Lelal Mekha'''</span>]]</span> [[File:Rassilon seal.jpg|20px]]<sup> [[User talk:LelalMekha|(Parlour)]]</sup> 08:29, September 17, 2014 (UTC)


== The name 'Koschei' ==
== Renaming The War ==
Hey there Revan! Seeing as you're (to my knowledge) the most FP-familiar admin, I was just wondering if you'd be willing to take a gander at my suggestion to rename [[The War]] to [[War in Heaven]], based on the arguments presented at [[Talk:The War]] and [[The War#Naming]]. There's no rush at all, but I really do think it would help with disambiguation and a lot of other stuff. So let me know what you think! – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 21:08, July 17, 2018 (UTC)


I have been following the [[The Master]] page here, and find one thing laughable(and evidently I am not alone...)
== Reaching out ==
Hi! I bumped into an edit that falls into the area where we had disagreements before. For reasons I will explain shortly, I believe that this is just an echo of some old decisions. I would hate to bring this to the kind of attention and emotion that these debates usually get. Thus, I am reaching out in the hope, based on your earlier positions, that we can agree on how this should be treated. The edit in question is about the first appearance of the [[Thirteenth Doctor]]. Based on your seeming reluctance in the past to accept her first appearance to be in a mini-short story published by CJB, I hope that you would consider the current state equally inappropriate. Note that first appearances can be used by editors to determine copyright for characters. So having this particular story listed as her first appearance seems to give the copyright for her to [[Sue Hampton]].  


I actually left a message on the talk page at: [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:The_Master#The_name_.27Koschei.27], and reading through the previous archived discussions, I see I was not the first to make these points.
Thing is, this novel was released back in August 2017, around the time of the mini-short. A lot of time passed since then. There were the "fireworks" around the Christmas special (a grandfather dilemma, if you will). And then the two copyright-wielding sides found a compromise. (Or at least that's how it looks to me. At the very least they stopped lobbing public cease-and-desist messages.) Given these later developments, I really would not want to rekindle the state of affairs the way it was in August 2017. This is a genuine dispute that exists objectively beyond the wiki. And a truce within and without the wiki is as good as it gets for now. Thus, I am contacting you before taking any action. I would appreciate it if you could let me know your position on what should be the first appearance of the Thirteenth Doctor. If we can agree on that, we can try to find the least invasive change that would not disturb the truce. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:14, September 9, 2018 (UTC)


I've actually written a short piece on another wiki at [http://drwho.answers.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Master_of_Spiders/Magnus_and_Koschei_or_How_I_learned_to_just_ignore_stupidity](mind the typos).
: Great! That makes three of us agreeing on the edit, already implemented by [[User:TheChampionOfTime|TheChampionOfTime]]. Additionally, he clarified that August 2017 was just a pre-release, so no rules need to be broken. Unbeknownst to me, the regular release of this book was in January, after the Christmas special. And discounting pre-releases is a standard practice. For instance, pre-screenings of episodes have been discounted multiple times.


Please feel free to respond however you see fit on both this wiki's [[The Master]] talk page, as well as at the entry on the other wiki. Everyone else on here seems to prefer to just ignore the facts of the matter. [[User:Master of Spiders|Master of Spiders]] [[User talk:Master of Spiders|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:26, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
: It also turned out to be a good opportunity to compare our views and learn that they are in agreement as far as the big picture is concerned. I completely agree that CJB is part of DWU. I even agree, as a fan, that it is nice to see nods to (or cameos of) various Doctors/companions. It is the towing of some reasonable line that I have been struggling with. Since I do not have a satisfactory regular solution, lately I generally try not to edit CJB (modulo renaming edits). But cases like this must be resolved in one way or another. And while I certainly did not expect any edit wars, I was worried that, were I to perform the same edit done by TheChampionOfTime (CoT), it could be viewed as not sufficiently impartial by editors who hold CJB dear to their hearts. Thus, my original plan was to ask whether you agree and, if yes, to ask ''you'' to make the change to avoid any suspicions of one-sidedness. I believe that CoT's edit and your stated position achieve this goal. So I am quite happy with the result. I am even happier that there was no need to make an exception or invent some artificial rule in order to achieve this result.


== Hyperion ==
: Thanks for weighing in on this. And happy editing! [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:15, September 10, 2018 (UTC)


Hey, while creating an image for the Titan Comics race [[Hyperion (Terrorformer)|Hyperion]] you've accidentally overwritten the file used for [[Hyperion (spacecraft)|the spaceship from ''The Mutants'' also called ''Hyperion'']]. Could you fix that? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 12:49, December 10, 2014 (UTC)
== Kahning blast from the past ==
Hi, it's been 7 years since [[Special:Diff/1131954|this edit]], but now it is very important, all of a sudden. Do you, by any chance, remember the origins of this spelling? Was "Kahn" based on any written source or purely phonetic? Thank you in advance for your time. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:52, January 30, 2019 (UTC)


I see you created a note on The Three Companions: "London has a Jubilee train line, an aftershock of the events of BFA: Jubilee."
: Thanks for confirming. It is exactly as I expected. I just wanted to make sure I did not miss some source in my search. The reason I was asking (as I'm sure you have guessed) is that with everything we've learned recently, "Khan" seems to be a spelling more in tune with ''[[Fallout (audio story)|Fallout]]''{{'}}s Yasmin's Punjabi roots, which are explicitly mentioned in the story. I did some quick digging at {{w|Khan (surname)}}, {{w|Kahn}} and {{w|Kan (surname)}}, and only one seems to be consistent with the character's provenance. Not really the conclusion I would have preferred myself, but here we are... I guess I'll go and put a rename tag then. Don't think it's clear enough for a speedy rename. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:16, January 30, 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure whether this is something meaningful or whether you're unfamiliar with the London Underground. You see the Jubilee Line is a tube line IRL. So if the audio just refers to the Jubilee Line (which seems to be how your note reads) then it has nothing to do with the audio "Jubilee".
On the other hand, perhaps the audio reveals that the real-life Jubilee Line got its name in response to the events of "Jubilee". If that's so then the note should say that more specifically. [[User:Klippa|Klippa]] [[User talk:Klippa|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:00, July 4, 2015 (UTC)


== Four Doctor Companions ==
== Re: A Farewell ==
Well, thank you so much! You have no idea how much this means to me. And as you noticed, I also must thank you for partially inspiring the story by making me think deeper about the Weapon/Moment!


Hey Revan, could you expand [[:Template:Companions of the Fourth Doctor]] to include [[Young (The Sea Devil)|Miss Young]] and [[Milena]]? I've made the reasons clear on the talk page. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 11:55, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
As for your question: well first, let me note that ''I'' didn't add info about the Greater Key to those pages. Our fellow FP fan [[User:TheChampionOfTime]] picked up on that and did it without my input (which I greatly, greatly appreciate). I've been doing my best to avoid adding anything to the wiki based on my own stories - not because I don't want to, but because I'm afraid I'd be violating some rule in the process. (I seem to recall Cody Schell was banned for something similar during the original thread about Señor 105, but that's since been deleted, so I'm not quite sure.)
:Thanks for the quick reply and edit! However I would like to clarify that Melina is a ''prose'' companion and not a ''comic'' companion. Easy mistake. Also Young should go before [[Sharon Davies]] and not after her, being a TVC companion from before DWM. Sorry to bother! [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 12:22, August 28, 2015 (UTC)


== Invite to forum ==
But in any case, that's been the main thing stopping me from putting anything relevant on the pages for [[the War King]] and [[the Magistrate]]. I'm glad you spotted that nod to their shared identity, which I certainly intended to be an further confirmation of something that's been hinted at since their first appearances. So I agree with you that the connection should definitely be mentioned on both pages, even if I won't be the one to put it there!


Hey Revan! I wanted to stop by and invite you to be a part of [[Thread:180396]], where we're currently discussing if the [[DWU]] prefix does or does not well-represent our invalid policy. We've got some good input, but barely anything from more than one admin. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 22:56, October 8, 2015 (UTC)
[Edit: A mention on both pages *at the very least*, that is. I definitely think a merge wouldn't be out-of-order at all.]


==Romana III vs Trey===
Thank you again for such a kind review! – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 00:14, February 26, 2019 (UTC)
In a similar vain to [[User:OttselSpy25|US25]] please can we get an admin final conclusion about the Romana III vs Trey debate, as this needs to be concluded. I have suggested four options please can we have your imput as your would most problably have to do any changes. '''[[User:AdricLovesNyssa|Adric♥Nyssa]]'''∩''[[User_talk:AdricLovesNyssa|Talk?]]'' 18:56, October 16, 2015 (UTC)


== Appreciation ==
== Obverse expertise sought ==
Hey Revan! Just wanted to let you know that I am extremely grateful to you for your recent Revelation/Revelation! page moves. I've been working on correcting some the DWM comic titles for a while, and it's rewarding to see some action. [[User:RogerAckroydLives|RogerAckroydLives]] [[User talk:RogerAckroydLives|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:49, October 21, 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, much thanks! I created the IDW article, and am glad it is correctly titled now. Cheers! :) ----[[User:Ebyabe|<span style="color:purple">'''Ebyabe'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Ebyabe|<span style="color:green"><small>'''(talk)'''</small></span>]] 15:00, October 21, 2015 (UTC)


Hello! I'm new to the site and I would like to know how to make one of those boxes that says "You may be looking for whatever".--[[User:Bowties2002|Bowties2002]] [[User talk:Bowties2002|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:39, October 24, 2015 (UTC)
Hi! I was wondering if you might have access to ''[[Iris Wildthyme of Mars (anthology)|Iris Wildthyme of Mars]]'' and, if so, whether you could help simultaneously uphold our wiki's policies and show that we as a community value the efforts authors put into entertaining us by fleshing out a page of a story. An [[Special:Diff/2684267|author pleaded with admin to help her do that]]. I would have done it myself, but do not have this particular anthology. Sorry for bothering you otherwise. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:50, March 6, 2019 (UTC)


== VHS categories ==
== Image policy ==
I'm trying to get an image policy finalized, and would like to invite you to discuss it on [[Thread:247941]].


Hello again! I'm not sure if you pay that much attention to the images on this site, but I would like to know why we have VHS cover categories for some stories but not for others.--[[User:Bowties2002|Bowties2002]] [[User talk:Bowties2002|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:01, October 31, 2015 (UTC)
Sincerely,  
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:27, March 21, 2019 (UTC)


== Monk/Master timeline ==
== Wiki Manager ==


Why did you revert my edits to the Monk and Master timeline pages? Did I do something wrong? Sorry, I'm new to this. [[User:Fwhiffahder|Fwhiffahder]] [[User talk:Fwhiffahder|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:38, November 24, 2015 (UTC)
Hi Revanvolatrelundar! My name is Playsonic2 and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager assigned to TARDIS Data Core. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff.


I'm not sure if this is the correct way to reply. Is it okay if I revert your reversion, then make edits that take into account what you said? And for the Monk's incarnations: I said "Robert Bertram" because that's the alias he uses, it's not an actor name. Maybe "'No Future' Monk" would be better, like "'First Frontier' Master." I don't think First/Second/etc. works because it's not obvious what order they're in. The BF EDAs ignore No Future and show a Monk who wasn't bitter about the ice planet thing. Because BF is now doing this "driven by vengeance for Tamsin's death" arc, No Future fits again, if it's after the The Secret History and we essentially change the reason he wants revenge. The goal is, after all, to fit things together with the power of speculation. I read No Future recently with this in mind, and it's not set immediately after The Daleks' Master Plan. Especially considering The Black Hole, where he doesn't detail why he wants revenge, it could easily be that the "I'm mad about the ice planet" stuff was a lie. [[User:Fwhiffahder|Fwhiffahder]] [[User talk:Fwhiffahder|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:00, November 24, 2015 (UTC)
I also happen to be an administrator at the Spanish Doctor Who Wiki, which has me spending considerable amount of time here (adding interlanguage links mostly). I know this wiki wonderfully organised and that [[user:CzechOut|CzechOut]] assists with any technical issues, but if there is anything I could assist with, I would be pleased to help. I will be available on my talk page! ~[[User:Playsonic2|Playsonic2]] 09:05, May 20, 2019 (UTC)


Is ''The Eight Doctors'' the only story that says the Master was still infected with the Cheetah virus immediately pre-Movie? ''Prime Time'' and ''Dust Breeding'' were both written by Mike Tucker within a year of each other, and I don't think they contradict. ''Dust Breeding'' also doesn't specify whether it's the Tremas or ''First Frontier'' body that precedes Crispy #2.[[User:Fwhiffahder|Fwhiffahder]] [[User talk:Fwhiffahder|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:32, November 24, 2015 (UTC)
:Hi! I’m here to share the news that Fandom has an official Discord server now. Feel free to check [[w:User blog:MisterWoodhouse/The Official Discord Server for Fandom and Gamepedia Editors|this blog post from Community Central]], which includes more details and, of course, the server invite link. Editors from many different communities and staff members are there chatting already - you (and other editors!) are invited to join as well. [[User:Playsonic2|Playsonic2]] [[User talk:Playsonic2|<span title="Talk">☎</span>]] 07:46, July 11, 2019 (UTC)


''Dust Breeding'' doesn't say it's "Trakenite DNA" that's lost, just his old body. I'm pretty sure it doesn't say that ''Survival'' was their last meeting either, since I listened to it with the specific intent of figuring out where it fits. In fact, the various Mike Tucker (sometimes with Robert Perry) PDAs and audios reference each other a lot. ''The Genocide Machine'' and ''Dust Breeding'' mention Coralee from ''Storm Harvest'', and the secondary enemy of ''Dust Breeding'' is the Krill; it's essentially a sequel to ''Prime Time'' (Mike Tucker's Master), ''The Genocide Machine'' (Bev) and ''Storm Harvest'' (return of the Krill).[[User:Fwhiffahder|Fwhiffahder]] [[User talk:Fwhiffahder|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:13, November 24, 2015 (UTC)
== Block request ==


== It wasn't Narvin ==
Hi. Could I ask you to take some action on the user Zanda21. This user engaged in an edit war, ignored Shambala, Borisashton and me, and made personal attacks. Shambala does not block people anymore, apparently, so I would request you to take some action. If you don't mind. :) --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:19, August 11, 2019 (UTC)
Why did you change [[the Master]] to say Narvin recruited the Master instead of Straxus? Narvin specifically says in The Death of Hope that it was done by Coordinator Straxus.[[Special:Contributions/64.233.172.236|64.233.172.236]]<sup>[[User talk:64.233.172.236#top|talk to me]]</sup> 18:56, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, you can ignore this request, I've blocked the user for violating [[Tardis:No personal attacks]]. Thanks [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:26, August 11, 2019 (UTC)


Sorry, just realized I'm a retard who can't log in properly. That last comment was me. [[User:Fwhiffahder|Fwhiffahder]] [[User talk:Fwhiffahder|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:05, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
== Re: ==
: Can I chip in, It was Narvin who resurected the Master, I've listened to the death of Hope many times and the mention of Straxus is about this demise '''[[User:AdricLovesNyssa|Adric♥Nyssa]]'''∩''[[User_talk:AdricLovesNyssa|Talk?]]'' 19:12, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
::Just checked it. The Doctor rants about the CIA and Narvin tries to explain. The Doctor complains about the treatment of Molly, Narvin calls Straxus's actions "regrettable," the Doctor complains about recruiting the Master, Narvin (who really should be a politician) says that "mistakes" have been made. It wouldn't make any sense anyway for the now vehemently pro-Romana and generally Doctor-aligned Narvin to have brought in the Master, rather than his unscrupulous interim replacement Straxus.[[User:Fwhiffahder|Fwhiffahder]] [[User talk:Fwhiffahder|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:20, January 12, 2016 (UTC)


:: Prrof for Rev to see
I appreciate your clarification. It is always preferable to talk and understand each other's positions even when there are strong disagreements on them. To return the courtesy, let me expand on my explanation in the thread. The reason the stories were deleted was a combination of [[T:NOT]] and [[T:OFF REL]]. Since the book with these stories was (and still is) only in preparation, there was no reason to keep the pages. I am now aware that we have a fundamental disagreement on what is considered an official release. However, I was not aware of it while performing the deletion, again for the simple reason that there had been no community discussion before the creation of the pages. In particular, I do not equate a publication of a story by author A on the official website of the BBC (like ''[[Christmas Special (WEB short story)|Christmas Special]]'') with a blog post by author A on the website of author A. Therefore, I did not see any precedents for considering these stories released.
: Proof is
Narvin : The actions of coordinator Straxus are regretable.  
The Doctor: Then you (referring to Narvin) took the insane step of sending the Master to clear things up using the Eminence
Narvin: I admit certain error of Judgement have been made, that's ehy I'm here now.  


The Doctor says Narvin sent the Master to clean up Straxus' mess and Narvin regrets to action.  
Let me use this opportunity to clarify the question of my alleged bias against the author and/or his stories. My opposition is purely procedural. If these stories are posted by [[Obverse Books]] on ''their'' website, I change my vote to inclusion on the condition that the release date is the date of the publication on the Obverse website. There is no reason for me to care about three more FP stories. As explained in the thread, it is the manner of the publication that troubles me. After a hiatus, I am planning to continue explaining there why.


Also This is exactly the thing Narvin would do. '''[[User:AdricLovesNyssa|Adric♥Nyssa]]'''∩''[[User_talk:AdricLovesNyssa|Talk?]]'' 19:43, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
Finally, I would ask you to reread my post that you took to be "asserting" your bias. If you do that, you will see that no such assertion was made. I stated that it was not publicly known at the time whether you had any relationship to the books being discussed. It is standard practice in legal proceedings, in journalism, in scientific reviewing and on {{w|Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest|Wikipedia}} to clearly and voluntarily announce existing and clarify suspected conflicts of interests. I thank you for responding by explaining that you are not in any way related to the stories. I accepted this explanation and was completely satisfied by it. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:58, September 3, 2019 (UTC)
:On the contrary, Narvin's entire point is that he's fixing those mistakes. "That's why I'm here now." It is absolutely not in line with Narvin after his character development. He spends all of Dark Eyes 3 trying to save lives and has gone as far as to cause Genesis of the Daleks to keep Romana in power. He's cleaning up after the lunatic killers, not hiring them.[[User:Fwhiffahder|Fwhiffahder]] [[User talk:Fwhiffahder|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:50, January 12, 2016 (UTC)


I reverted the edit because from the dialogue in Dark Eyes 3 from my point of view it is Narvin who hired the Master. It doesn't realy make sense for Straxus to have hired the Master, as in ''Eyes of the Master'' the Master is "working for the CIA" in the timeline where Straxus has been erased, and in the other version of the Ides Institute. All of that only makes sense if it was Narvin who had hired him. There's nothing to say that Straxus had anything to do with the Eminence, as his plan entirely involved the Daleks. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 11:17, January 13, 2016 (UTC)
== Re: thread closings ==
:It's apparently not a clear-cut issue. How about saying he was hired by the CIA as a whole, instead of blaming it on a specific Coordinator?[[User:Fwhiffahder|Fwhiffahder]] [[User talk:Fwhiffahder|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:37, January 13, 2016 (UTC)
::Sounds good to me. Then we can just cite the ''Eyes of the Master'' source like we used to. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 14:48, January 13, 2016 (UTC)


== The Master's regenerations ==
Hi, yeah, I sometimes have that trouble too. That's why most of my closings just have the message "See final post", because if the message is too long, it just won't post. Just one of the many things wrong with those message boards. Too bad we can't go back to the old forum posts - easier to post and easier to find. Thanks [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:55, September 26, 2019 (UTC)


Contrary to what you seem to believe, the Master did ''not'' use up most of his regenerations trying to escape from a black hole. Quoting from the beginning of ''The Dark Path'' itself, the Master is described as ''"A man in a grey double-breasted suit stepped out and looked around. A cravat with a silver bird-of-prey tiepin was at the collar of his silk shirt. He was of medium build with a high forehead and swept-back hair that was greying at the temples. His neatly trimmed dark beard also had streaks of grey at the comers."'' --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 18:08, January 19, 2016 (UTC)
== The War Romance ==


== Origin of Mary Shelley ==
Thanks for moving Paperman to The War Romance. At the time that I noticed the page name, I was on my phone on a bus, so wasn't sure of the protocol, or how to put in the request formally, but I knew Amorkuz had previously given some advice when I had tried moving a page before, so thought I'd ask them for help raising it. Usually I'd check the correct protocol on my laptop these days to report it.


Thank you for putting her birth year out of its misery. It was never stated explicitly in the audio, which is why I was hesitant to put it as is without an explanation.
Have a good spook month.


I do, however, have a question. Why would you insist on keeping her origin as Earth rather than England even though the policy asks to avoid it? There is usually a reason behind what people are doing. And I usually benefit from learning this reason. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:13, April 23, 2016 (UTC)
[[User:ThomasRWade|ThomasRWade]] [[User talk:ThomasRWade|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:08, October 2, 2019 (UTC)


: Wait a moment. Putting Earth as origin is against the policy as stated in [[Template:Infobox Individual]]: "Place of origin, typically a planet. If Earth, avoid saying "Earth". Try to name a city or a country of origin". Normally, Earth is put as the place of origin when the in-universe information is not sufficient to narrow it down. But stating Earth when information about the country of origin is available is against the policy quoted above, unless there is another policy I don't know about that takes precedence in this case. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:51, April 23, 2016 (UTC)


== Master timeline ==
I read the first LS book in 2017, then met a few of the authors that summer when they were doing a mini event thing in Cardiff. Started reading the series more around February 2018, and have been reading The Laughing Gnome series this past month (been getting them delivered as they released since A Very Private Haunting). I just thought I'd do my best to help out on those pages because they are fairly niche titles within the community for various reasons. I finally got The HAVOC Files 4 today from ebay, so have managed to confirm something I had thought was wrong with that anthology's page too. Just glad to have a great community here that's so helpful at ensuringthings are accurate (another series's wiki I once contributed to was nowhere near as community friendly).
You just significantly complicated the Master's timeline for no good reason. Why? [[User:Fwhiffahder|Fwhiffahder]] [[User talk:Fwhiffahder|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:51, May 19, 2016 (UTC)
:You may have a point about The Glorious Dead, but not about First Frontier. The only person in First Frontier who would know whether the Master's just come from Survival is the Master himself, and lying to someone (the Doctor) whose timeline is out of sync with your own is standard. Dust Breeding doesn't specify whether the Master's most recent body was Ainley or the one from First Frontier, and if Master is going to be put anywhere in a multiple timeline situation it's got to be with the New Adventures - it's got references to Adjudicators, Benny, Chris, and Roz. So putting the Cheetah-infected Ainley stuff before First Frontier is nowhere near the biggest retcon to contravene authorial intent in these timeline pages, and the Big Finish stuff has taken a carefully neutral position. [[User:Fwhiffahder|Fwhiffahder]] [[User talk:Fwhiffahder|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:31, May 20, 2016 (UTC)


== Twelfth Doctor's Companion template ==
Thanks again for the kind words.
Hi Revan, seeing as you just added Gertie to the template could you also add these DWA companions to the template?
[[Athena (The Ministry of Time)|Athena]] • [[Estrella]] • [[George V]] • [[Eliza Jones]] • [[Jain Relph]]
I know only two of them have pages at the moment, but I will be creating those tonight. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">C o T</span>]]  [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span> ]] 21:06, June 6, 2016 (UTC)
:All the pages have been created. (which I suppose is obvious to you)  [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">C o T</span>]]  [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span> ]] 23:18, June 6, 2016 (UTC)


== Macqueen's regeneration ==
[[User:ThomasRWade|ThomasRWade]] [[User talk:ThomasRWade|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:34, October 2, 2019 (UTC)
Are you sure ''The Two Masters'' says that he regenerated from a decaying form? Is this a throw-away line I'm missing or is it the "no more pain" bit which was repeated from ''Vampire of the Mind''? The latter is outright stated to be a mind swap. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">C o T</span>]]   [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span> ]] 10:13, June 14, 2016 (UTC)
:Here's an except from the script that gives context to the "regeneration" scene.
NEW MASTER:
New hands. New eyes. New... everything. No pain! How... wondrous!


SEBASTIAN:
== Request ==
Excellent. It appears the transfer was successful.
SALRON:
Excellent. All praise the Heretic!


NEW MASTER:
I hate to do this, I know it's annoying, but I was wondering if you could take a look at giving a final consensus at [[Thread:212365]]? We've had it open for years and I just feel like it's done and is just waiting for that stamp of approval, but no one's invested enough to get around to it. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 21:40, November 21, 2019 (UTC)
I... Where am I?


SEBASTIAN:
== New Howling post ==
Our home. There will be some initial disorientation. Do not worry,
Could you please check my latest post at [[Howling:The Howling]]? I have an important question about the future of Doctor Who that I'd like to know how to handle. I won't just go ahead and create the page. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:06, November 22, 2019 (UTC)
it will soon pass.


NEW MASTER:
== Re: ==
I remember the pain... but before that... (BEAT) I was attacked. Ruined. Destroyed!


So you see, Beevers is left thinking he has regenerated, but he actually hasn't. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">C o T</span>]]  [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span> ]] 10:30, June 14, 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your message. I am sad that it had to come to this. But I appreciate you taking responsibility for your mistakes, intended or unintended. That deserves respect. I would have made the same decision in your place. I wish you good luck in your writing and publishing endeavours.


:Here's the regeneration scene from ''Vampire of the Mind''. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">C o T</span>]]  [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span> ]] 11:45, June 14, 2016 (UTC)
Since I've been plunged into the same toxic environment as you for months, with multiple personal attacks against me, and with all other participants of the original decision to delete the stories (which was not even my suggestion) refusing to take the responsibility, I feel I can share some advice on how to stay sane while not actively editing on the wiki. The advice is offered sincerely and from personal experience, from one admin bruised in divisive inclusion debates to another. The obvious first step is to turn off the email notifications. But it might also be useful to unfollow all active forum threads. The reason for the latter is that, if you visit FANDOM under your login, even some other wiki, the counter of new forum messages will appear. It might be hard to resist looking, which was not helpful for me during my forced exile. With all notifications turned off, you are the master of which pages to visit (if any).  
FX: REVERSE ECHO INTO BRIEF FLASH-FORWARD TO ‘THE TWO MASTERS’ – SCENE 52 [TOP OF  PART FOUR]:
(WITH A BLAZE OF ANDROZANI-LIKE REGENERATION ENERGY, THE NEW MASTER SNAPS AWAKE -  THE DECAYED MASTER’S MIND NOW WITHIN)
NEW MASTER:
(GASP OF WAKING) [...] New hands. New eyes. New... everything. No pain! How... wondrous!


== Sontaran editing issue ==
I am also sad that my initial suggestion of what to do with these stories was rejected by the other admin. I proposed, among other things, to outline explicit rules about the conflict of interest and then begin the validity debate. Were the rules formulated explicitly, this situation could have been avoided.


Hello.
Fare thee well. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:24, January 12, 2020 (UTC)


I'm just inquiring about the erasing of what I tried adding to the Sontaran page.
== Check on ==
Hello, User:Revanvolatrelundar. I just wanted to stop by and check how you were doing in these trying times of self-isolation?[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:53, April 16, 2020 (UTC)


How come references aren't counted on main pages?
== Merry Christmas ==


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Hello, there. I just wanted to stop by and wish you the merriest of Christmases, and a Happy New Year. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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"Ears conspiracy"[[edit source]]

Hi, sorry this reply took so long, been wrapped up in my university finals for the past few weeks. I have looked further into what I like to call the "Ears conspiracy"; When the Doctor first looks in Rosa's mirror, he does more than comment on his ears. He full on says it "could have been worse", alluding to a recent regeneration that he hasn't seen the end result from. And, in The Beast of Babylon, he only starts talking about Rose when telling Ali about his trip to Earth from Rose, and when saying Ali has traits similar to her. Granted, he brings the whole thing up at random after showing the planet to her, so perhaps it's still a recent thing for him. But, he still talks about "when [he] met Rose, [he]'d only just regenerated", "still finding [his] feet", with a mindset of "new body, new start, new companion".

To be honest, I was kind'a hoping to not find anything when I was looking into this; I like the theory and solution you and I came up with together. But, facts like these can't be ignored, otherwise we'd be divulging into the taboo that is speculation and theorising by selecting what print we choose to follow.

Also, while I'm here, you recently moved The Bleeding Heart to before The Oncoming Storm. Does the Doctor act the same as he does in The Oncoming Storm, or is he using his blue sonic screwdriver in The Oncoming Storm? Sorry to be a pain about it, but I don't have the funds to listen to The Churchill Years or Ninth Doctor Chronicles and have to get my infomsation ftom second hand sources to update the timeline theory page. Perhaps I could interest you into editing it with me, since you clearly know more about the Ninth Doctor's Big Finish adventures than I do at the moment.

Hope you have a nice day, BananaClownMan ☎ 00:45, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

I haven't found any Vortex or forums in Google search, but have made a note of it with a source tag anyway. I did find that free audio you mentioned, thank you for that. Will give it a listen when I have the time.BananaClownMan ☎ 19:39, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

It would seem the novelisation of The Day of the Doctor has brought an end to our debate. According to User:NateBumber, the freshly regenerated Ninth Doctor smashed all the TARDIS mirrors due to a vow he took to never find out what face he was wearing, apparently to atone for killing the children of Gallifrey. With this knowledge, we now know why he said "could have been worse" when accidently looking at Rose's mirror; he's emotionally recovered enough to not be bothered about catching an accidental glimpse, and analyse his features. I think you're right about the "ears complex"; he's probably felt them enough to dislike them, and getting a good look at them did not changed his opinion.BananaClownMan ☎ 20:46, April 5, 2018 (UTC)


You know, the novelisation of Rose might just of given us a rare moment in debating that scarcely happens; the chance for both parties to be right. I believed that Rose happened early due to the Ninth Doctor's comments about how it "could have been worse" when looking in a mirror, and authorial intend behind the line. You believed that Rose happened later due to, and I quote, "The Beast of Babylon [framing] all its story around [the ending of] Rose". In the novelization, it is mentioned that there was a twelve week gap between these two incidences, which does not seem to contradict the television story and making it valid by the wiki's rules. If my math is right, that leaves 84 days maximum unaccounted for.

I propose that at the tail end of his "early days", he meets Rose at Hendrik's, gets the Auton arm and then leaves, believing his work done. After his twelve weeks of "solitary exploits" (that can include the anthology short stories and cameo appearances), he returns to London again for whatever reason, properly the TARDIS bringing him to "where [he] needed to be" I guess.

What do you think? BananaClownMan ☎ 21:26, April 20, 2018 (UTC)

"Whoisdoctorwho.co.uk" question[[edit source]]

How come the information from Whoisdoctorwho.co.uk is in the behinds the scenes section of pages with the out-of-universe information, but the page and all related pages are categorized as in-universe information?

If its a lack of citation needed on the main sections, why not use (WC: Who is Doctor Who)? BananaClownMan ☎ 16:50, April 8, 2018 (UTC)

Renaming The War[[edit source]]

Hey there Revan! Seeing as you're (to my knowledge) the most FP-familiar admin, I was just wondering if you'd be willing to take a gander at my suggestion to rename The War to War in Heaven, based on the arguments presented at Talk:The War and The War#Naming. There's no rush at all, but I really do think it would help with disambiguation and a lot of other stuff. So let me know what you think! – N8 ☎ 21:08, July 17, 2018 (UTC)

Reaching out[[edit source]]

Hi! I bumped into an edit that falls into the area where we had disagreements before. For reasons I will explain shortly, I believe that this is just an echo of some old decisions. I would hate to bring this to the kind of attention and emotion that these debates usually get. Thus, I am reaching out in the hope, based on your earlier positions, that we can agree on how this should be treated. The edit in question is about the first appearance of the Thirteenth Doctor. Based on your seeming reluctance in the past to accept her first appearance to be in a mini-short story published by CJB, I hope that you would consider the current state equally inappropriate. Note that first appearances can be used by editors to determine copyright for characters. So having this particular story listed as her first appearance seems to give the copyright for her to Sue Hampton.

Thing is, this novel was released back in August 2017, around the time of the mini-short. A lot of time passed since then. There were the "fireworks" around the Christmas special (a grandfather dilemma, if you will). And then the two copyright-wielding sides found a compromise. (Or at least that's how it looks to me. At the very least they stopped lobbing public cease-and-desist messages.) Given these later developments, I really would not want to rekindle the state of affairs the way it was in August 2017. This is a genuine dispute that exists objectively beyond the wiki. And a truce within and without the wiki is as good as it gets for now. Thus, I am contacting you before taking any action. I would appreciate it if you could let me know your position on what should be the first appearance of the Thirteenth Doctor. If we can agree on that, we can try to find the least invasive change that would not disturb the truce. Amorkuz ☎ 00:14, September 9, 2018 (UTC)

Great! That makes three of us agreeing on the edit, already implemented by TheChampionOfTime. Additionally, he clarified that August 2017 was just a pre-release, so no rules need to be broken. Unbeknownst to me, the regular release of this book was in January, after the Christmas special. And discounting pre-releases is a standard practice. For instance, pre-screenings of episodes have been discounted multiple times.
It also turned out to be a good opportunity to compare our views and learn that they are in agreement as far as the big picture is concerned. I completely agree that CJB is part of DWU. I even agree, as a fan, that it is nice to see nods to (or cameos of) various Doctors/companions. It is the towing of some reasonable line that I have been struggling with. Since I do not have a satisfactory regular solution, lately I generally try not to edit CJB (modulo renaming edits). But cases like this must be resolved in one way or another. And while I certainly did not expect any edit wars, I was worried that, were I to perform the same edit done by TheChampionOfTime (CoT), it could be viewed as not sufficiently impartial by editors who hold CJB dear to their hearts. Thus, my original plan was to ask whether you agree and, if yes, to ask you to make the change to avoid any suspicions of one-sidedness. I believe that CoT's edit and your stated position achieve this goal. So I am quite happy with the result. I am even happier that there was no need to make an exception or invent some artificial rule in order to achieve this result.
Thanks for weighing in on this. And happy editing! Amorkuz ☎ 23:15, September 10, 2018 (UTC)

Kahning blast from the past[[edit source]]

Hi, it's been 7 years since this edit, but now it is very important, all of a sudden. Do you, by any chance, remember the origins of this spelling? Was "Kahn" based on any written source or purely phonetic? Thank you in advance for your time. Amorkuz ☎ 08:52, January 30, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming. It is exactly as I expected. I just wanted to make sure I did not miss some source in my search. The reason I was asking (as I'm sure you have guessed) is that with everything we've learned recently, "Khan" seems to be a spelling more in tune with Fallout's Yasmin's Punjabi roots, which are explicitly mentioned in the story. I did some quick digging at Khan (surname), Kahn and Kan (surname), and only one seems to be consistent with the character's provenance. Not really the conclusion I would have preferred myself, but here we are... I guess I'll go and put a rename tag then. Don't think it's clear enough for a speedy rename. Amorkuz ☎ 09:16, January 30, 2019 (UTC)

Re: A Farewell[[edit source]]

Well, thank you so much! You have no idea how much this means to me. And as you noticed, I also must thank you for partially inspiring the story by making me think deeper about the Weapon/Moment!

As for your question: well first, let me note that I didn't add info about the Greater Key to those pages. Our fellow FP fan User:TheChampionOfTime picked up on that and did it without my input (which I greatly, greatly appreciate). I've been doing my best to avoid adding anything to the wiki based on my own stories - not because I don't want to, but because I'm afraid I'd be violating some rule in the process. (I seem to recall Cody Schell was banned for something similar during the original thread about Señor 105, but that's since been deleted, so I'm not quite sure.)

But in any case, that's been the main thing stopping me from putting anything relevant on the pages for the War King and the Magistrate. I'm glad you spotted that nod to their shared identity, which I certainly intended to be an further confirmation of something that's been hinted at since their first appearances. So I agree with you that the connection should definitely be mentioned on both pages, even if I won't be the one to put it there!

[Edit: A mention on both pages *at the very least*, that is. I definitely think a merge wouldn't be out-of-order at all.]

Thank you again for such a kind review! – N8 ☎ 00:14, February 26, 2019 (UTC)

Obverse expertise sought[[edit source]]

Hi! I was wondering if you might have access to Iris Wildthyme of Mars and, if so, whether you could help simultaneously uphold our wiki's policies and show that we as a community value the efforts authors put into entertaining us by fleshing out a page of a story. An author pleaded with admin to help her do that. I would have done it myself, but do not have this particular anthology. Sorry for bothering you otherwise. Amorkuz ☎ 14:50, March 6, 2019 (UTC)

Image policy[[edit source]]

I'm trying to get an image policy finalized, and would like to invite you to discuss it on Thread:247941.

Sincerely, BananaClownMan ☎ 22:27, March 21, 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Manager[[edit source]]

Hi Revanvolatrelundar! My name is Playsonic2 and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager assigned to TARDIS Data Core. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff.

I also happen to be an administrator at the Spanish Doctor Who Wiki, which has me spending considerable amount of time here (adding interlanguage links mostly). I know this wiki wonderfully organised and that CzechOut assists with any technical issues, but if there is anything I could assist with, I would be pleased to help. I will be available on my talk page! ~Playsonic2 09:05, May 20, 2019 (UTC)

Hi! I’m here to share the news that Fandom has an official Discord server now. Feel free to check this blog post from Community Central, which includes more details and, of course, the server invite link. Editors from many different communities and staff members are there chatting already - you (and other editors!) are invited to join as well. Playsonic2 ☎ 07:46, July 11, 2019 (UTC)

Block request[[edit source]]

Hi. Could I ask you to take some action on the user Zanda21. This user engaged in an edit war, ignored Shambala, Borisashton and me, and made personal attacks. Shambala does not block people anymore, apparently, so I would request you to take some action. If you don't mind. :) --DCLM ☎ 16:19, August 11, 2019 (UTC)

Hi, you can ignore this request, I've blocked the user for violating Tardis:No personal attacks. Thanks Shambala108 ☎ 16:26, August 11, 2019 (UTC)

Re:[[edit source]]

I appreciate your clarification. It is always preferable to talk and understand each other's positions even when there are strong disagreements on them. To return the courtesy, let me expand on my explanation in the thread. The reason the stories were deleted was a combination of T:NOT and T:OFF REL. Since the book with these stories was (and still is) only in preparation, there was no reason to keep the pages. I am now aware that we have a fundamental disagreement on what is considered an official release. However, I was not aware of it while performing the deletion, again for the simple reason that there had been no community discussion before the creation of the pages. In particular, I do not equate a publication of a story by author A on the official website of the BBC (like Christmas Special) with a blog post by author A on the website of author A. Therefore, I did not see any precedents for considering these stories released.

Let me use this opportunity to clarify the question of my alleged bias against the author and/or his stories. My opposition is purely procedural. If these stories are posted by Obverse Books on their website, I change my vote to inclusion on the condition that the release date is the date of the publication on the Obverse website. There is no reason for me to care about three more FP stories. As explained in the thread, it is the manner of the publication that troubles me. After a hiatus, I am planning to continue explaining there why.

Finally, I would ask you to reread my post that you took to be "asserting" your bias. If you do that, you will see that no such assertion was made. I stated that it was not publicly known at the time whether you had any relationship to the books being discussed. It is standard practice in legal proceedings, in journalism, in scientific reviewing and on Wikipedia to clearly and voluntarily announce existing and clarify suspected conflicts of interests. I thank you for responding by explaining that you are not in any way related to the stories. I accepted this explanation and was completely satisfied by it. Amorkuz ☎ 21:58, September 3, 2019 (UTC)

Re: thread closings[[edit source]]

Hi, yeah, I sometimes have that trouble too. That's why most of my closings just have the message "See final post", because if the message is too long, it just won't post. Just one of the many things wrong with those message boards. Too bad we can't go back to the old forum posts - easier to post and easier to find. Thanks Shambala108 ☎ 15:55, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

The War Romance[[edit source]]

Thanks for moving Paperman to The War Romance. At the time that I noticed the page name, I was on my phone on a bus, so wasn't sure of the protocol, or how to put in the request formally, but I knew Amorkuz had previously given some advice when I had tried moving a page before, so thought I'd ask them for help raising it. Usually I'd check the correct protocol on my laptop these days to report it.

Have a good spook month.

ThomasRWade ☎ 17:08, October 2, 2019 (UTC)


I read the first LS book in 2017, then met a few of the authors that summer when they were doing a mini event thing in Cardiff. Started reading the series more around February 2018, and have been reading The Laughing Gnome series this past month (been getting them delivered as they released since A Very Private Haunting). I just thought I'd do my best to help out on those pages because they are fairly niche titles within the community for various reasons. I finally got The HAVOC Files 4 today from ebay, so have managed to confirm something I had thought was wrong with that anthology's page too. Just glad to have a great community here that's so helpful at ensuringthings are accurate (another series's wiki I once contributed to was nowhere near as community friendly).

Thanks again for the kind words.

ThomasRWade ☎ 17:34, October 2, 2019 (UTC)

Request[[edit source]]

I hate to do this, I know it's annoying, but I was wondering if you could take a look at giving a final consensus at Thread:212365? We've had it open for years and I just feel like it's done and is just waiting for that stamp of approval, but no one's invested enough to get around to it. OS25🤙☎️ 21:40, November 21, 2019 (UTC)

New Howling post[[edit source]]

Could you please check my latest post at Howling:The Howling? I have an important question about the future of Doctor Who that I'd like to know how to handle. I won't just go ahead and create the page. --DCLM ☎ 15:06, November 22, 2019 (UTC)

Re:[[edit source]]

Thank you for your message. I am sad that it had to come to this. But I appreciate you taking responsibility for your mistakes, intended or unintended. That deserves respect. I would have made the same decision in your place. I wish you good luck in your writing and publishing endeavours.

Since I've been plunged into the same toxic environment as you for months, with multiple personal attacks against me, and with all other participants of the original decision to delete the stories (which was not even my suggestion) refusing to take the responsibility, I feel I can share some advice on how to stay sane while not actively editing on the wiki. The advice is offered sincerely and from personal experience, from one admin bruised in divisive inclusion debates to another. The obvious first step is to turn off the email notifications. But it might also be useful to unfollow all active forum threads. The reason for the latter is that, if you visit FANDOM under your login, even some other wiki, the counter of new forum messages will appear. It might be hard to resist looking, which was not helpful for me during my forced exile. With all notifications turned off, you are the master of which pages to visit (if any).

I am also sad that my initial suggestion of what to do with these stories was rejected by the other admin. I proposed, among other things, to outline explicit rules about the conflict of interest and then begin the validity debate. Were the rules formulated explicitly, this situation could have been avoided.

Fare thee well. Amorkuz ☎ 00:24, January 12, 2020 (UTC)

Check on[[edit source]]

Hello, User:Revanvolatrelundar. I just wanted to stop by and check how you were doing in these trying times of self-isolation?BananaClownMan ☎ 09:53, April 16, 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[[edit source]]

Hello, there. I just wanted to stop by and wish you the merriest of Christmases, and a Happy New Year. BananaClownMan ☎ 14:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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