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I have revamped the template to hopefully give more information to the regular reader. This includes the additions of [[Agnes Havisham]], [[George Herbert Sanderson]], [[Llinos King]], [[Rhydian]], [[Karen Baldwin]], [[James Unsworth]], [[Ariana (The Torchwood Archive)|Ariana]], [[Eva Giles]] and [[Ng]]. It also showcases the various leaders of Torchwood 3, as well as Jack's early role as an associate rather than full member, there are also key dates added. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC) | I have revamped the template to hopefully give more information to the regular reader. This includes the additions of [[Agnes Havisham]], [[George Herbert Sanderson]], [[Llinos King]], [[Rhydian]], [[Commodore (Overture)|Commodore]], [[Karen Baldwin]], [[James Unsworth]], [[Ariana (The Torchwood Archive)|Ariana]], [[Eva Giles]] and [[Ng]]. It also showcases the various leaders of Torchwood 3, as well as Jack's early role as an associate rather than full member, there are also key dates added. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC) | ||
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| list2 = [[George Herbert Sanderson | | list2 = [[George Herbert Sanderson]] • [[Alice Guppy]] • [[Charles Gaskell]] | ||
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| list2 = [[Douglas Caldwell]] ([[1914]]-[[1930]]) • [[ | | list2 = [[Douglas Caldwell]] ([[1914]]-[[1930]]) • [[Lydia Childs]] ([[1913]]-[[1920s]]) • [[Harriet Derbyshire]] ([[1916]]-[[1919]]) | ||
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| list2 = [[Charles Quinn (To the Last Man)|Charles Quinn]] • [[Greg Bishop]] • [[Llinos King]] • [[Rhydian]] • [[Charles Cromwell]] ([[1945]]-[[1975]]) | | list2 = [[Charles Quinn (To the Last Man)|Charles Quinn]] • [[Greg Bishop]] (until [[1941]]) • [[Llinos King]] • [[Rhydian]] • [[Charles Cromwell]] ([[1945]]-[[1975]]) | ||
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| list2 = [[Karen Baldwin]] (until [[1999]]) • [[James Unsworth]] (until [[1999]]) • [[Ariana (The Torchwood Archive)|Ariana]] (until [[1999]]) | | list2 = [[James Lawson]] • [[Craig (The Torchwood Archives)|Craig]] • [[Karen Baldwin]] (until [[1999]]) • [[James Unsworth]] (until [[1999]]) • [[Ariana (The Torchwood Archive)|Ariana]] (until [[1999]]) | ||
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| list2 = [[Ben Brown]] • [[Suzie Costello]] (until [[2006]]) • [[Sebastian Vaughan]] • [[Toshiko Sato]] • [[Owen Harper]] • [[Ianto Jones]] ( | | list2 = [[Ben Brown]] • [[Suzie Costello]] (until [[2006]]) • [[Sebastian Vaughan]] • [[Toshiko Sato]] ([[2005]]-[[2009]]) • [[Owen Harper]] ([[2006]]-[[2009]]) • [[Ianto Jones]] ([[2007]]-[[2009]]) • [[Gwen Cooper]] (from [[2007]]) • [[James Mayer]] ([[2007]]) • [[Adam Smith]] | ||
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| list2 = [[Gwen Cooper]] (from [[ | | list2 = [[Gwen Cooper]] (from [[2007]]) • [[Rhys Williams]] • [[Dana MacLeish]] • [[Hollis Jefferson Albert]] • [[Rona Moss]] • Lady [[Karina Stirling]] • [[Mary Shelley (Exodus Code)|Mary Shelley]] • [[Vlad Lidenbrok]] • [[Sladen (The Culling)|Sladen]] • [[St John Colchester]] • [[Ng]] • [[Orr]] • [[Tyler Steele]] | ||
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:I think you've done an ''amazing'' job. Just beware of the [[Aliens of London dating controversy]] when making this. For example, Children of Earth took place in 2009, hence Ianto Jones died in 2009. Gwen joined during S1 of Torchwood which took place one year after its broadcast date. So ''Everything Changes'' would be roughly October 2007 (as verified by the novel ''Border Princes''), not 2006. This only affects the 2000s onwards, so it's an easy fix. It also catches itself up by the Moffat era. Don't let this comment disparage you, you've done an amazing job. I hope this is integrated into the Wiki somewhere. [[User:Thefartydoctor|<font color="blue">The</font><font color="silver">Farty</font><font color="red">Doctor</font>]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<small><sup><font color="green">Talk</font></sup></small>]] 00:21, 5 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
:: Ah thank you, changes made! [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:00, 5 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
::: I think dividing it up by decade, and then by team role, brings with it too much repetition: the years in brackets should do the trick. Maybe if we tried with the same information, but split up again by century? | |||
:::For members with unclear dates, just "(1950s)" would do the trick. And everyone would be listed in order (like now) according to when they first joined that role, so it maintains the chronology.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 15:39, 5 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::: Actually, thinking it over again, maybe we can focus in on significant decades (ie. ones with significant variation from the surrounding decades), and feature the others either as ranges or in relative terms. "Early 20th century", "1950s-1970s"; that sort of thing. Anything that mostly carries over from one decade to the next should just be merged.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 15:43, 5 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::: I don't understand why you would want the decades merged because a single character (or a couple) overlap? As it stands any reader can go to a specific decade and instantly see which characters were serving in that decade. If we merge categories certain characters have unclear dates so their serving decade would be unclear. For example; if we combined the 1950s-1970s, as you suggested, Turner would be sat in that category and it would be unclear if they served in the 1950s, 60s or 70s whereas the only information we currently have is that they served in the 60s. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:53, 5 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::::: Surely we could just use parentheses. Character name (1953-57) • Character name (1950s) • etc. And it could just be split up by general era or by century, so that Jack still shows up in each section.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 23:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::::: Going to bump this. I still think the template that I have devised is far better than the one we currently have. Any reader can go to a specific time period and see which characters were serving in that specific era. Splitting it by "general era" or century just wouldn't be as clear to the average reader in my opinion. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:11, 10 December 2022 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 23:46, 29 January 2023
Missing individual[[edit source]]
Ng isnt in the template. DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎ 00:48, June 24, 2020 (UTC)
Also https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Ariana_(The_Torchwood_Archive) , https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Karen_Baldwin, https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/James_Unsworth, https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Sebastian_Vaughan
In the pages of 2016's World Without End the following characters are listed as Torchwood Three operatives; Gwen Cooper, Jack Harkness, Rhys Williams, Dana MacLeish, Hollis Jefferson Albert, Rona Moss, Lady Karina Stirling, and Mary Shelley. Vlad Lidenbrok also joins the team in the same issue. However, none of these characters other than Gwen and Jack are listed on this template (Rhys is only listed as an associate rather than an actual member). RadMatter ☎ 10:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- Also Sladen joined the team in The Culling. RadMatter ☎ 04:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Updated accordingly. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 19:47, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Also Ben Brown who worked at Torchwood Three with per Long Time Dead (novel) is missing. myreling ☎ 04:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Template redesign[[edit source]]
I have revamped the template to hopefully give more information to the regular reader. This includes the additions of Agnes Havisham, George Herbert Sanderson, Llinos King, Rhydian, Commodore, Karen Baldwin, James Unsworth, Ariana, Eva Giles and Ng. It also showcases the various leaders of Torchwood 3, as well as Jack's early role as an associate rather than full member, there are also key dates added. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 16:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
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- I think you've done an amazing job. Just beware of the Aliens of London dating controversy when making this. For example, Children of Earth took place in 2009, hence Ianto Jones died in 2009. Gwen joined during S1 of Torchwood which took place one year after its broadcast date. So Everything Changes would be roughly October 2007 (as verified by the novel Border Princes), not 2006. This only affects the 2000s onwards, so it's an easy fix. It also catches itself up by the Moffat era. Don't let this comment disparage you, you've done an amazing job. I hope this is integrated into the Wiki somewhere. TheFartyDoctor Talk 00:21, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ah thank you, changes made! DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 02:00, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think dividing it up by decade, and then by team role, brings with it too much repetition: the years in brackets should do the trick. Maybe if we tried with the same information, but split up again by century?
- Ah thank you, changes made! DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 02:00, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- For members with unclear dates, just "(1950s)" would do the trick. And everyone would be listed in order (like now) according to when they first joined that role, so it maintains the chronology.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 15:39, 5 May 2022 (UTC)- Actually, thinking it over again, maybe we can focus in on significant decades (ie. ones with significant variation from the surrounding decades), and feature the others either as ranges or in relative terms. "Early 20th century", "1950s-1970s"; that sort of thing. Anything that mostly carries over from one decade to the next should just be merged.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 15:43, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, thinking it over again, maybe we can focus in on significant decades (ie. ones with significant variation from the surrounding decades), and feature the others either as ranges or in relative terms. "Early 20th century", "1950s-1970s"; that sort of thing. Anything that mostly carries over from one decade to the next should just be merged.
- For members with unclear dates, just "(1950s)" would do the trick. And everyone would be listed in order (like now) according to when they first joined that role, so it maintains the chronology.
- I don't understand why you would want the decades merged because a single character (or a couple) overlap? As it stands any reader can go to a specific decade and instantly see which characters were serving in that decade. If we merge categories certain characters have unclear dates so their serving decade would be unclear. For example; if we combined the 1950s-1970s, as you suggested, Turner would be sat in that category and it would be unclear if they served in the 1950s, 60s or 70s whereas the only information we currently have is that they served in the 60s. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 15:53, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Surely we could just use parentheses. Character name (1953-57) • Character name (1950s) • etc. And it could just be split up by general era or by century, so that Jack still shows up in each section.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 23:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC)- Going to bump this. I still think the template that I have devised is far better than the one we currently have. Any reader can go to a specific time period and see which characters were serving in that specific era. Splitting it by "general era" or century just wouldn't be as clear to the average reader in my opinion. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 12:11, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- Surely we could just use parentheses. Character name (1953-57) • Character name (1950s) • etc. And it could just be split up by general era or by century, so that Jack still shows up in each section.
- I don't understand why you would want the decades merged because a single character (or a couple) overlap? As it stands any reader can go to a specific decade and instantly see which characters were serving in that decade. If we merge categories certain characters have unclear dates so their serving decade would be unclear. For example; if we combined the 1950s-1970s, as you suggested, Turner would be sat in that category and it would be unclear if they served in the 1950s, 60s or 70s whereas the only information we currently have is that they served in the 60s. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 15:53, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
