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{{rename|Is this universe established to be '''''diegetically''''' two-dimensional?}} | |||
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[[File:Doctor Who and the Iron Legion 1.jpg|thumb|The Doctor meets the Iron Legion. ([[COMIC]]: {{cs|Doctor Who and the Iron Legion (comic story)}})]] | |||
[[File:Doctor Who and the Iron Legion 1.jpg|thumb|The Doctor meets the Iron Legion. ([[COMIC]]: | {{you may|2D universe|n1=2D universes in general|Boneless's universe|n2=the Boneless's universe}} | ||
An inter-incarnational sequence of adventures stretched from the [[Fourth Doctor]]'s encounter with the [[Iron Legion]] to the [[Eighth Doctor]]'s travels with [[Destrii]], ([[COMIC]]: | An inter-incarnational sequence of adventures stretched from the [[Fourth Doctor]]'s encounter with the [[Iron Legion]]{{disputed}} to the [[Eighth Doctor]]'s travels with [[Destrii]], ([[COMIC]]: {{cs|Doctor Who and the Iron Legion (comic story)}}, {{cs|The Tides of Time (comic story)}}, {{cs|The Shape Shifter (comic story)}}, {{cs|A Cold Day in Hell! (comic story)}}, {{cs|Endgame (DWM comic story)}}, {{cs|The Fallen (comic story)}}, etc.) sharing '''a continuous reality''' with various standalone adventures of early Doctors, ([[COMIC]]: {{cs|A Life of Matter and Death (comic story)}}, {{cs|Ground Zero (comic story)}}, etc.) the lives of aliens around them, ([[COMIC]]: {{cs|A Ship Called Sudden Death (comic story)}}, {{cs|The Company of Thieves (comic story)}}, etc.) and further adventures continuing into the [[Ninth Doctor]]'s life and beyond{{facts}}. ([[COMIC]]: {{cs|Art Attack (comic story)}}, {{cs|Thinktwice (comic story)}}, {{cs|The Stockbridge Showdown (comic story)}}, etc.) | ||
While the majority of sources indicated this reality to be the same as [[the Doctor's universe]] as a whole, ([[PROSE]]: | While the majority of sources indicated this reality to be the same as [[the Doctor's universe]] as a whole, ([[PROSE]]: {{cs|Deceit (novel)}}, {{cs|The Scarlet Empress (novel)}}, {{cs|Prime Time (novel)}}, [[AUDIO]]: {{cs|No Place Like Home (audio story)}}, {{cs|The Firstborn (audio story)}}, [[TV]]: {{cs|Time Heist (TV story)}}, {{cs|The Doctor Falls (TV story)}}, [[COMIC]]: {{cs|Vortex Butterflies (comic story)}}, etc.) some, focused on the [[Sixth Doctor|Sixth]] to Eighth Doctors, indicated it to be its own reality separate from other strands of the Doctor's life. ([[AUDIO]]: {{cs|Zagreus (audio story)}}, {{cs|Signs and Wonders (audio story)}}, [[PROSE]]: {{cs|Spiral Scratch (novel)}}, {{cs|The Eighth Doctor Part 2 (short story)}}, {{cs|At Childhood's End (novel)}}) The Eighth Doctor of [[John and Gillian's world|another world]] dreamed of his adventures in this universe. ([[COMIC]]: {{cs|The Land of Happy Endings (comic story)}}) | ||
== Fate == | == Fate == | ||
By the end of the [[Eighth Doctor]]'s life, by one account, this strand of reality reconnected with the parallel histories where [[The Doctor's reality (The Eight Doctors)|the Eighth Doctor had travelled with Sam]] and [[Positive-time universe|the Eighth Doctor had travelled with Charley]], such that from the perspective of the [[Last Great Time War]] and beyond they were all in the Doctor's past. ([[PROSE]]: | By the end of the [[Eighth Doctor]]'s life, by one account, this strand of reality reconnected with the parallel histories where [[The Doctor's reality (The Eight Doctors)|the Eighth Doctor had travelled with Sam]] and [[Positive-time universe|the Eighth Doctor had travelled with Charley]], such that from the perspective of the [[Last Great Time War]] and beyond they were all in the Doctor's past. ([[PROSE]]: {{cs|The Eighth Doctor Part 2 (short story)}}) | ||
Among the [[palimpsest universe]]s before the [[Infinity Doctor's reality]], [[Omega]] had seen [[Matrix Rassilon's universe|a universe where Rassilon ruled Gallifrey from the Matrix]], ([[PROSE]]: | Among the [[palimpsest universe]]s before the [[Infinity Doctor's reality]], [[Omega]] had seen [[Matrix Rassilon's universe|a universe where Rassilon ruled Gallifrey from the Matrix]], ([[PROSE]]: {{cs|The Infinity Doctors (novel)}}) as was the case in his role as [[Matrix Lord]] throughout this sequence of events from the [[Fifth Doctor]]'s life to the Eighth's. ([[COMIC]]: {{cs|The Tides of Time (comic story)}}, {{cs|The Final Chapter (comic story)}}) | ||
== Relation to other realities == | == Relation to other realities == | ||
During his multiversal adventure, the [[Sixth Doctor]] saw a version of himself who travelled with [[Frobisher]]. ([[PROSE]]: | During his multiversal adventure, the [[Sixth Doctor]] saw a version of himself who travelled with [[Frobisher]]. ([[PROSE]]: {{cs|Spiral Scratch (novel)}}) Another iteration of the Sixth Doctor listed Frobisher (several times) alongside [[companion]]s [[Peri Brown]], [[Grant Markham]], [[Mathew Sharpe]], [[Evelyn Smythe]], [[Actis]] and [[Carf]], [[Jamie McCrimmon]] and [[Zoe Heriot]], [[Thomas Brewster]], [[Melanie Bush]], [[Henry Gordon Jago|Jago]] and [[George Litefoot|Litefoot]], [[Mila]], [[Flip Jackson]], [[Jason (The Ultimate Adventure)|Jason]], [[Crystal (The Ultimate Adventure)|Crystal]] and [[Zog (The Ultimate Adventure)|Zog]], [[Constance Clarke]], and [[Mari Yoshida]], ([[AUDIO]]: {{cs|The Firstborn (audio story)}}) though that latter companion only travelled with him in a [[Kantrofarri]]-induced [[dream]]. ([[AUDIO]]: {{cs|Together in Eclectic Dreams (audio story)}}) | ||
When [[Ace]] was shown her future, she saw "several universes" of possibilities, including one where she was surrounded by [[Lobri|giant fleas]]. ([[AUDIO]]: | When [[Ace]] was shown her future, she saw "several universes" of possibilities, including one where she was surrounded by [[Lobri|giant fleas]]. ([[AUDIO]]: {{cs|Signs and Wonders (audio story)}}) When exposed to [[anti-time]], the [[Eighth Doctor]] of the [[positive-time universe]] saw himself "on the [[planet]] [[Oblivion (planet)|Oblivion]] facing a race called the [[Horde]]". ([[AUDIO]]: {{cs|Zagreus (audio story)}}) | ||
By one account, whilst travelling with the [[Seventh Doctor]], [[Ace]] was shown multiple [[possible future]]s in [[Ace's timeline|her timeline]] by a [[Quantum Anvil]], which included her [[death]] in a [[Nitro-9]] [[explosion]]. This incident led her to leave the Doctor. ([[PROSE]]: | By one account, whilst travelling with the [[Seventh Doctor]], [[Ace]] was shown multiple [[possible future]]s in [[Ace's timeline|her timeline]] by a [[Quantum Anvil]], which included her [[death]] in a [[Nitro-9]] [[explosion]]. This incident led her to leave the Doctor. ([[PROSE]]: {{cs|At Childhood's End (novel)}}, [[COMIC]]: {{cs|Ground Zero (comic story)}}) | ||
The detonation of [[Qqaba]] which destroyed the [[original palimpsest universe]] bore a great resemblance to ([[PROSE]]: | The detonation of [[Qqaba]] which destroyed the [[original palimpsest universe]] bore a great resemblance to ([[PROSE]]: {{cs|The Infinity Doctors (novel)}}) the account of the soon-to-be-Matrix-Lord Rassilon's detonation of Qqaba. ([[COMIC]]: {{cs|Star Death (comic story)}}) | ||
The [[Eighth Doctor]] of this reality also dreamed of [[John and Gillian's world|another world]] featuring a copy of himself haunted by less angst. However, this relationship seemed to go both-ways, as the Doctor's more innocent counterpart also seemed to dream of the angst-filled world. ([[COMIC]]: {{cs|The Land of Happy Endings (comic story)}}) | |||
== Behind the scenes == | == Behind the scenes == | ||
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[[Ken Book]] interviewed [[Beep the Meep]] for ''[[Doctor Who Magazine ( | [[Ken Book]] interviewed [[Beep the Meep]] for ''[[Doctor Who Magazine (in-universe)|Doctor Who Magazine]]'', and after Ken asked if Beep had any plans to appear on television, he responded no, explaining it was a "backwards step" that'd be repeating what had already been done thirty years prior in ''[[The Star Beast (in-universe)|The Star Beast]]'', and ultimately, he didn't consider [[Doctor Who (in-universe)|''Doctor Who'' on TV]] to be [[canonicity|canonical]]. He also added he was afraid they'd "do [him] in [[CGI]]". ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Who on Earth is... Beep the Meep (short story)|Who on Earth is... Beep the Meep]]'') | ||
=== ''The Land of Happy Endings'' === | |||
Despite common fan readings of the story, the intention of [[COMIC]]: ''[[The Land of Happy Endings (comic story)|The Land of Happy Endings]]'' was that ''both'' worlds seen in the story were entirely valid realities. Because of this, while one could say that [[John and Gillian's world]] was a dream, the exact same claim could be made about the ''DWM'' reality. | |||
[[Category:Universes and dimensions]] | [[Category:Universes and dimensions]] | ||
[[Category:Prime universes]] | [[Category:Prime universes]] | ||
[[Category:Palimpsest universes]] | [[Category:Palimpsest universes]] | ||
[[Category:Dream realities]] | |||
Latest revision as of 16:59, 23 November 2024
Is this universe established to be diegetically two-dimensional?
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An inter-incarnational sequence of adventures stretched from the Fourth Doctor's encounter with the Iron Legion[disputed statement] to the Eighth Doctor's travels with Destrii, (COMIC: Doctor Who and the Iron Legion [+]Loading...["Doctor Who and the Iron Legion (comic story)"], The Tides of Time [+]Loading...["The Tides of Time (comic story)"], The Shape Shifter [+]Loading...["The Shape Shifter (comic story)"], A Cold Day in Hell! [+]Loading...["A Cold Day in Hell! (comic story)"], Endgame [+]Loading...["Endgame (DWM comic story)"], The Fallen [+]Loading...["The Fallen (comic story)"], etc.) sharing a continuous reality with various standalone adventures of early Doctors, (COMIC: A Life of Matter and Death [+]Loading...["A Life of Matter and Death (comic story)"], Ground Zero [+]Loading...["Ground Zero (comic story)"], etc.) the lives of aliens around them, (COMIC: A Ship Called Sudden Death [+]Loading...["A Ship Called Sudden Death (comic story)"], The Company of Thieves [+]Loading...["The Company of Thieves (comic story)"], etc.) and further adventures continuing into the Ninth Doctor's life and beyond[additional sources needed]. (COMIC: Art Attack [+]Loading...["Art Attack (comic story)"], Thinktwice [+]Loading...["Thinktwice (comic story)"], The Stockbridge Showdown [+]Loading...["The Stockbridge Showdown (comic story)"], etc.)
While the majority of sources indicated this reality to be the same as the Doctor's universe as a whole, (PROSE: Deceit [+]Loading...["Deceit (novel)"], The Scarlet Empress [+]Loading...["The Scarlet Empress (novel)"], Prime Time [+]Loading...["Prime Time (novel)"], AUDIO: No Place Like Home [+]Loading...["No Place Like Home (audio story)"], The Firstborn [+]Loading...["The Firstborn (audio story)"], TV: Time Heist [+]Loading...["Time Heist (TV story)"], The Doctor Falls [+]Loading...["The Doctor Falls (TV story)"], COMIC: Vortex Butterflies [+]Loading...["Vortex Butterflies (comic story)"], etc.) some, focused on the Sixth to Eighth Doctors, indicated it to be its own reality separate from other strands of the Doctor's life. (AUDIO: Zagreus [+]Loading...["Zagreus (audio story)"], Signs and Wonders [+]Loading...["Signs and Wonders (audio story)"], PROSE: Spiral Scratch [+]Loading...["Spiral Scratch (novel)"], The Eighth Doctor Part 2 [+]Loading...["The Eighth Doctor Part 2 (short story)"], At Childhood's End [+]Loading...["At Childhood's End (novel)"]) The Eighth Doctor of another world dreamed of his adventures in this universe. (COMIC: The Land of Happy Endings [+]Loading...["The Land of Happy Endings (comic story)"])
Fate[[edit] | [edit source]]
By the end of the Eighth Doctor's life, by one account, this strand of reality reconnected with the parallel histories where the Eighth Doctor had travelled with Sam and the Eighth Doctor had travelled with Charley, such that from the perspective of the Last Great Time War and beyond they were all in the Doctor's past. (PROSE: The Eighth Doctor Part 2 [+]Loading...["The Eighth Doctor Part 2 (short story)"])
Among the palimpsest universes before the Infinity Doctor's reality, Omega had seen a universe where Rassilon ruled Gallifrey from the Matrix, (PROSE: The Infinity Doctors [+]Loading...["The Infinity Doctors (novel)"]) as was the case in his role as Matrix Lord throughout this sequence of events from the Fifth Doctor's life to the Eighth's. (COMIC: The Tides of Time [+]Loading...["The Tides of Time (comic story)"], The Final Chapter [+]Loading...["The Final Chapter (comic story)"])
Relation to other realities[[edit] | [edit source]]
During his multiversal adventure, the Sixth Doctor saw a version of himself who travelled with Frobisher. (PROSE: Spiral Scratch [+]Loading...["Spiral Scratch (novel)"]) Another iteration of the Sixth Doctor listed Frobisher (several times) alongside companions Peri Brown, Grant Markham, Mathew Sharpe, Evelyn Smythe, Actis and Carf, Jamie McCrimmon and Zoe Heriot, Thomas Brewster, Melanie Bush, Jago and Litefoot, Mila, Flip Jackson, Jason, Crystal and Zog, Constance Clarke, and Mari Yoshida, (AUDIO: The Firstborn [+]Loading...["The Firstborn (audio story)"]) though that latter companion only travelled with him in a Kantrofarri-induced dream. (AUDIO: Together in Eclectic Dreams [+]Loading...["Together in Eclectic Dreams (audio story)"])
When Ace was shown her future, she saw "several universes" of possibilities, including one where she was surrounded by giant fleas. (AUDIO: Signs and Wonders [+]Loading...["Signs and Wonders (audio story)"]) When exposed to anti-time, the Eighth Doctor of the positive-time universe saw himself "on the planet Oblivion facing a race called the Horde". (AUDIO: Zagreus [+]Loading...["Zagreus (audio story)"])
By one account, whilst travelling with the Seventh Doctor, Ace was shown multiple possible futures in her timeline by a Quantum Anvil, which included her death in a Nitro-9 explosion. This incident led her to leave the Doctor. (PROSE: At Childhood's End [+]Loading...["At Childhood's End (novel)"], COMIC: Ground Zero [+]Loading...["Ground Zero (comic story)"])
The detonation of Qqaba which destroyed the original palimpsest universe bore a great resemblance to (PROSE: The Infinity Doctors [+]Loading...["The Infinity Doctors (novel)"]) the account of the soon-to-be-Matrix-Lord Rassilon's detonation of Qqaba. (COMIC: Star Death [+]Loading...["Star Death (comic story)"])
The Eighth Doctor of this reality also dreamed of another world featuring a copy of himself haunted by less angst. However, this relationship seemed to go both-ways, as the Doctor's more innocent counterpart also seemed to dream of the angst-filled world. (COMIC: The Land of Happy Endings [+]Loading...["The Land of Happy Endings (comic story)"])
Behind the scenes[[edit] | [edit source]]
- Early Big Finish Productions stories featuring Frobisher were branded as Side Steps into "a 2-D universe".
Information from invalid sources[[edit] | [edit source]]
Ken Book interviewed Beep the Meep for Doctor Who Magazine, and after Ken asked if Beep had any plans to appear on television, he responded no, explaining it was a "backwards step" that'd be repeating what had already been done thirty years prior in The Star Beast, and ultimately, he didn't consider Doctor Who on TV to be canonical. He also added he was afraid they'd "do [him] in CGI". (PROSE: Who on Earth is... Beep the Meep)
The Land of Happy Endings[[edit] | [edit source]]
Despite common fan readings of the story, the intention of COMIC: The Land of Happy Endings was that both worlds seen in the story were entirely valid realities. Because of this, while one could say that John and Gillian's world was a dream, the exact same claim could be made about the DWM reality.
