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== Saying hi ==
== Re: TLDR ==
Hey, I saw Scrooge merged [[City (The Aztecs)]] into [[Tenochtitlan]] and it made me think of you. I hope your absence is due to good things only! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 20:12, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Ah, thank you. Will do so in a minute. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 19:08, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:Welcome back! How we have missed you! The forums aren't back yet, but that's only because I've been stalling everyone: I wanted to make sure you didn't miss ''too'' much… I'll give them the go-ahead now! (I wish!) Very sorry to hear that the circumstances keeping you away have been less than happy, but I'm glad you're still around and hope we can catch up soon. :) – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 02:43, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


== Welcome back! ==
== RE:Sandbox ==
Very glad to have you back, friend(?)! And sorry to hear things have been rough. No, still no Forums just yet (though wheels are in motion), but still some good work done. You were missed, though! <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 00:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
: More FP Wikification never goes amiss! And yours was a very high standard of it. Though if other projects catch your eye, that's quite alright too. Regarding ''[[Golden Age (novel)|Golden Age]]'', no, I feel no sense of property over the page, and have been feeling quite bad that I fell off Wikification as I finished my reading, leaving it with that poor little stump of a summary. I'd be very happy (though again, no obligation) if you decided to finish it. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 12:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


== Re: SMW ==
Thanks very much! [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|📢]]  18:24, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


Hi, I'd completely forgotten about my SMW guide and I'm glad you've found it useful. I should really get round to finishing it at some point. You can set hidden SMW "tags" using the #set parser function. For your example, you would place the following on [[Cobweb and Ivory (short story)]]:
== Re: threads ==
<pre>{{#set:TheEnemy=Cernunnos}}</pre>
Aye, that's next on my docket. Give me a minute, though: nine in an afternoon, phew! And I still have a reply on that ol'R4BP thread cooking… [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 20:23, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Ideally, this would be wrapped in a template like {{tlx|Wales crew}} or {{tlx|Infobox Story}} but it certainly doesn't have to be.


By ''Eragon'', are you referring to the fantasy book series with a film and video game adaptions? If so, I love that series but I can't think where the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' references would be. With ''Transformers'', I actually can't believe that it was missed out of the diagram on my user page . That's a big omission. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
== Re: I dunno about you ==
Just left a response on [[Forum:10 Years on, Amnesty Once More]]. Thanks for telling me about it. Sorry I haven't added anything to [[Forum:Rule 4 by Proxy and its ramifications: considered in the light of the forum archives]], that thread became, very quickly, overwhelming to me considering its length. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 16:56, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


:: Wow! I read ''Eragon'' before I got into ''Doctor Who'' and haven't yet got round to rereading it (it's on my pile of books to read/reread, though) so this is awesome to find out about. I am aware of [[Cultural references to the Doctor Who universe]] but I've never really read through it. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:21, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
== Re: Sections ==
Yeah, I think so. It's just too much unbroken in-universe gab. You'd need subsection titles, pull-quotes, images — but I also think parenthetical citations are the wrong fit for this, and we should discuss the flow of episodes and season-breaks and EU media in-text. "Though largely standalone, Christmas special provided some emotional resolution for Amy and Rory, while teasing the next arc-plot on a thematic level…" sorts of things. Or so I suspect. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 20:03, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
: Image choices look workable. I would definitely alternate between right- and left-justified images, though. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 13:48, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


== Re: Capaldi interview ==
== Hi ==
Ahh, bugger, thanks for letting me know. I've archived the relevant bits at [[User:NateBumber/Capaldi interview]]. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 13:04, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Would be exceedingly interested to hear your thoughts over at [[Forum:Roland Rat: The Series]], if you have the time and the inclination. No worries if not, though, or if you have no real thoughts on the matter. :) - [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] 09:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
:"On mobile", "without Ctrl+F", "for a limited period of time" is exactly the kind of [[not we]] use case we should have in mind. You shouldn't ''need'' Ctrl+F or a lot of time to find the most important details about a topic: as an example, last night I wanted a quick refresher on Stanley Kubrick, and by skimming the first few paragraphs of {{w|Stanley Kubrick|his Wikipedia page}} on my phone, it was trivially easy to find his death date and most notable works within seconds. In contrast, right now you can't even answer the question (for instance) "what episode did the Twelfth Doctor regenerate in?" without scrolling 2/3rds of the way down [[Twelfth Doctor]]. The way we prioritize information on pages is broken – but it is fixable. Currently I suspect subpages will be a part of the answer. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 14:33, 7 September 2022 (UTC)


== Re: actor and crew preload ==
:Fair enough. <s>The whole first series is available on Youtube, if you're interested</s>. [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  19:40, 10 September 2023 (UTC)


Hi, I'm not [[User:SOTO|SOTO]], but I'm pretty certain that the edit to the preload was made erroneously so I have recerted it. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:07, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
== Endless ==


== Sandbox edits ==
What's the difference with endless and infinite? [[User:Sum41Champ]]
Hello! Saw your last few edits to The Sandbox. On two of the later points I think your worries may be misplaced. With regards to ''[[Adventures in Lockdown]]'' — its status as a charity work of sorts is known, but then, so are all the Comic Relief specials and more. There is vast precedent for BBC ''Who'' works to be covered even if they were part of charity events, and I think the book's position is secure, though in point of fact its existence could be used as a precedent in a thread wanting to revisit the coverage of e.g. charity stories with a licensed Iris.


And as to [[Time (mythology)]] — covering the different depictions of Time on one page is part of a wider effort to keep DWU depictions of mythological beings in one place. I think it's clear that a single [[Zeus]] that acknowledges different accounts of his true nature/origins, in a [[The Doctor's species]] spirit, is much more useful than the undisciplined labyrinth of separate pages for "Zeus as a deity worshipped by historical characters", "Zeus in ''[[Deadly Reunion (novel)|Deadly Reunion]]''" and "Zeus in ''[[The Life Bringer! (comic story)|The Life Bringer!]]'' that we had to deal with before, you know? Covering Time on a single page is the logical extension of that; and it's all the more justified, even from a watsonian point of view, with the allegorical entities depicted — among others — as Menti Celesti, since Platt himself suggested that the core conceptual entities could have many different incarnations each, not just the ones seen in the VNAs. (Also, [[T:SPOIL]] prevents, but I have knowledge of certain upcoming releases with an incidence on the specific Time case, that would tip the scales yet further towards keeping them all on one page.) <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 15:54, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
== Re: Thread closures ==
:: Sorry to be a gadfly again, but [[Tardis:Valid sources]] ''already'' enshrines "multiple-choice" series where an in-universe timey-wimey gimmick means ''all'' the paths are true as valid, giving ''[[Flip-Flop (audio story)|Flip-Flop]]'' as an example! (EDIT: Oh, I see you already mentioned as much on the story talk page. Mh. The "you" is a fair cop, but see my reply there.) <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 18:06, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a little busy at the moment but I should be able to have a look at these either today or tomorrow. Sorry about the massive backlog of threads that need closing. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:01, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


== Russell Mcgee ==
: Sory but I've not had time to close either thread yet. I have done a reread of [[Forum:10 Years on, Amnesty Once More]], though, and am starting to formulate some closing thoughts. Hopefully, I'll be able to get that one closed tomorrow with [[Forum:(SPOILER: The start of RtD2) Quickstart Guides]] following soon after. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:59, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


I've protected the page for now to only allow autoconfirmed users, which hopefully means new named users can't edit it (at least that's what it used to mean). Keep me posted if you see something else that I miss. Thanks [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:19, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
:: Yep. I'm discussing some potential complications of [[Forum:10 Years on, Amnesty Once More]] with Scrooge and I'm writing the closing post to [[Forum:(SPOILER: The start of RtD2) Quickstart Guides]] right now. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:54, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


:I feel like this is getting over my head and maybe another admin who is more current on these things could help, but you are '''not''' being a creep. We have a strict rule, that is based on the definition of FANDOM (made by and for fans), and it's important to keep any self-promotion off the wiki for that reason and also just for fairness. So keep up the good work. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:16, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
::: Yep. I still need to talk things through with Scrooge but I think we've both been quite busy. There doesn't seem to be any kind of way to automate the unblocking process so, unless we feel we can devote the time to perform the amnesty, we won't be able to close it. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:43, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


::I would suggest [[User:Scrooge MacDuck]] or [[User:OncomingStorm12th]]. They both seem up on latest release info, validity, authors, what-have-you. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
== The Klade ==
I have opened up a talk page to discuss the possible kalde mention on that page if you would like to take part.[[User:Anastasia Cousins|Anastasia Cousins]] [[User talk:Anastasia Cousins|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


== Erasing Sherlock ==
== Re: R4BP ==
No, unfortunately I do not have a physical copy. As a result it's really never been clear to me what exactly the differences are between the digital and physical versions, or even how many physical or digital versions exist. Sheesh. Maybe I'll poke around and see if I can get some more clarity on this point if nothing else. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 00:39, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
It's been the plan for some time for [[User:Bongolium500]] to write a semi-closure, and then officially set the bounds for a Part Two thread to properly discuss where we go from here. But I did ask him to hold off until I got the chance for one last riposte, which I do have half-written — my thoughts on Web Theory no longer reflect what's up in the thread (though lest you cry victory it goes without saying that I still don't agree with you, either). I've just been, as I said, very busy. After tonight, I should hopefully be past one of the most time-consuming responsibilities of those last two months — I'd tell you what it is, but, uh, [[T:SPOIL]]. [''eyes emoji''] So at a wildly optimistic guess expect a response this week-end, and more realistically some time in the coming week… after which it's up to you whether you'll want to reply to me again (I don't want to forcibly have the "last word" or anything), or to leave it to Bongo to close and reboot. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 18:41, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
:I wasn't familiar, no, but these rock! Can already tell I'll be going deep down this rabbithole… Thank you! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 01:59, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
::Well, [[Blood Ties: Inside the Grandfather's House (short story)]] is still a redlink, but it's probably the clearest explanation we have. [https://web.archive.org/web/20060412142823/http://www.factionparadox.co.uk/family.htm Archive link] – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 21:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


== RE: Thomas Milligan ==
== TCoRR plot summary ==
Just want to thank you in advance for fleshing out the plot summary for ''[[The Church on Ruby Road (TV story)|The Church on Ruby Road]]''. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 02:48, 26 December 2023 (UTC)


Yeah, it could be a localisation issue. I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that the episode had little bits and pieces cut off in some versions in America (and maybe other places too). [[User:LauraBatham|LauraBatham]] [[User talk:LauraBatham|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:36, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
== Re: editoralizng ==


== Re: SMW User Rights ==
Which part of the edit was editorializing? It carries none of my personal opinions, is the same information as the previous version just written less clunky. {{Unsigned|Thisyeah}}


Hi. Yeah, I know about these user groups. Currently, they don't really restrict what I can so with SMW. There's a few things that I would need them for, but I currently haven't had to do those things yet. I actually have loose plans to apply for admin and probably also these rights once forums are back and I've been able to propose and hopefully implement some of my technical projects (mostly my citations template), but that'll probably be a while. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:45, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
== Taking you up on an old offer ==


== Concerns with self promotion ==
A while ago you offered to explain to me how to perform some edits on this wiki. At the time I turned down the request however I would now like to take you up on it. I have an image I would like to upload however I struggle to understand the image policy and I do not know how to practically add an image at all. Can you explain this to me please. I would like it explained if possible as someone who know absolutely nothing about beyond computers beyond knowing how to type and sign things[[User:Anastasia Cousins|Anastasia Cousins]] [[User talk:Anastasia Cousins|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
:thank you for your help the image has been uploaded is this okay?[[File:Red Dalek Leader in the Dalek’s in Colour.PNG|thumb|Red Dalek Leader and two Subordinates]]


Hey, sorry that I'm only getting back to you now, but the middle of the week is usually a bit busier for me. Now, I've taken some time looking at this and my personal thoughts on the matter are: I also don't think it's the ''greatest'' precedent that people so closely related to the matter of an article to be the one to write it, but it's ''technically'' allowed.
== Re: QuickAnswers ==
Yes, that's definitely been on both Bongo's radar and mine. Worrying indeed, but we (the Wiki) have weathered worse storms, and we (Bongo and I) are pondering solutons. A Forum thread will of course be opportune once it rolls out…


That said, and with your concerns of plagiarism in mind, I'll leave a message on Solt's asking her that, in the future, if she wishes to make and edit to someone's page, that it be original text rather than adapting a pre-existing biography. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:23, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
I do wish there were some means — email, even?… — of keeping you abreast of things in a more "light-hearted" manner than Forum discussions or even talk page messages, which generally have a pointed and particular purpose… You would not need to worry about where our heads have been at, and I could speak at greater lengths about floated ideas without thereby committing to them (albeit as proposals), as an admin kind of does in a public discussion. Have you given any further thought to such avenues? [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 21:11, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
: Argh. I know you're trying to hint at something but alas it's going over my head. A Najawin can be found in the comments…?… But so what? YouTube doesn't have a private-messages setting, does it?…


== Blood Ties ==
: Asking to be spared, as it were, is an obvious thought, yes. Again, a thought whose implications I wish we could discuss somewhere else. In my experience, once one possess ''one'' Google account/email, I don't think a phone number is required to create an alt. account with no public link to the first, which comes with its own email; can't you attempt that?
Hi, sorry for the delay in my response! The FP website was updated 5 times, which is reflected by the "First Edition" – "Fifth Edition" text on [https://web.archive.org/web/20060715095710/http://www.factionparadox.co.uk/ the main page.] The same page gives a date for each update, which was very helpful (for us) of them to do; these dates are listed on [[The Spiral Politic Database]], which iirc appeared in the second edition. With the exception of ''[[The Eleven-Day Empire: A Tour of the Capital (short story)|A Tour of the Capital]]'', everything in the Spiral Politic Database was written by Lawrence Miles. This is confirmed in a few different places. I have no opinion as to whether or not ''Blood Ties'' specifically is narrative, but it was reprinted in full in ''[[The Book of the War (novel)|The Book of the War]]'' –
{{quote|All the material in this book is the copyright of its original authors (2002), except for The Faction Paradox Family, © Lawrence Miles 2001.}}
– so there'd be little point in it being invalid! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 13:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
: I see Nate has already obviated the problem! But yes, in terms of policy, ''if'' we lacked a release date and/or author for a story, those fields should be left blank in the infobox. (If we know something like "there's hard evidence it was somewhere between 1964 and 1967", that can then be discussed in BTS.) <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 18:29, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
The Off-Cuts and Afterthoughts all came from the scripts for ''The Eleven Day Empire'' and ''The Shadow Play'', which were also posted on the website and archived, so you could probably reconstruct them from there! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


== Re: BBV scripts ==
: (Besides, ''my'' gmail address is no great secret — it's the obvious aristide.twain thing — so if you're willing to trust that ''I'' would not disclose whatever email address you emailed me from to anyone else, you ''could'' email me first. It is obviously not a step I can ask you to take in any way that could possibly come across as pressuring you; just laying it out. I do at least hope that you would trust me ''that'' much by now, as far as not disclosing it further goes, such that it would be down to whether you're alright with ''me specifically'' having that email. But, again, totally fine if you're not, wouldn't take it personally) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 21:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
In the abstract I'd be happy to send ye forth the script to ''[[Sabbath and the King (audio story)|Sabbath and the King]]'', or indeed the recording; but obviously such a thing cannot be done, or linked, on the Wiki. We come once again to the matter of how you may be contacted ''other'' than the Wiki… I suppose at a push I may send you a message on your Community Central message wall?… <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 22:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


== Subpages ==
:: Well, best wishes with that, but ''is'' all rather time-sensitive… Have you considered registering an account on the [https://factionparadox.boards.net/ Faction Paradox Forum]? Could talk there in Forum-style DMs. No phone numbers or real names or any such thing necessary. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 22:20, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Oh no, I've just noticed your comment on my sandbox. I really didn't mean any offense! That comment was intended completely lovingly; you know what a fan I am of your plot descriptions – I was just taking the opportunity to highlight one of your best and most thorough. Sincerely hoping I'm missing a joke, I'd really hate if it came off as an attack. Just in case, I've swapped the link out with a different example of the same effect. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:30, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
::: Well I'm sorry to hear ''that''… Gah, but this is tricky business. I do want to note that I'd picked the FP Forum precisely because it's so low-activity that it scarcely feels like "social media" — but I do see how the subject matter might worry you, and of course we may hope, the present business aside, that it might get livelier in the foreseeable future… Well, how about this — I've gone and ''made'' a Forum. [https://scroogesroost.freeforums.net/ There's nothing in it and there never will be]. If you make an account there, we could DM there. That could work? Maybe? There ''are'' things I'd like to bounce off you! Wiki-related and not, even.
:Okay, thank god, lol. It's a good riff, I just fell for it a little too hard 😅 Well, your summary makes sense to ''me'', for whatever little that's worth! In your absence I tried to think of a way to rearrange it so there's a single section for the North storyline, South, etc, but there's just no use. It's that kind of story! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:41, 4 October 2022 (UTC)


== Re:Personal information ==
::: To get back to the matter at hand, the thing is that my current feeling — as far as I'll get into on here — is that as presented this would be ''such'' a trainwreck on Tardis as to be a non-starter, and I have to believe Fandom would roll it back within a week once this became apparent. I don't know that I'd wholly trust them to take concerns seriously if e.g. answers on [[The Doctor]] fail to abide by T:NPOV or the like; but auto-generating at least three answers based on every one-sentence page, every real-world author page that's just a list of credits, etc.… that would doubtless clutter their servers with aimless gibberish to a degree that they cannot possibly think is in their best interests. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 23:39, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Jesus, thank you for alerting me! Left the page open for edits of autoconfirmed users, as there's potential useful edits to be done in the future, and users with accounts are "easier" to mediate, so to speak. If needs must (and I hope it doesn't get to that) I can further protect it so that only admins can edit it. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:25, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
:Hm, I don't think I can, but I'll leave a message on Czech's talk page. Thanks again. :) [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:38, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


== Re: Crikeytown ==
:::: Well, [https://www.twitch.tv/scroogemacbadger here goes nothing…]. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 00:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
I would, yes! It's clearly part of the story. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 07:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
: Regarding [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/User:Najawin/Sandbox_5?diff=3335726 this edit], this seems wholly within the parameters of the "mention of a [[Cyberman]] in ''[[An Ordinary Man (novel)|An Ordinary Man]]''" thing/[[Talk:Legacies (short story)]]; those elements don't actually ''appear'', there's just a brief mention of some characters having dressed up as them. That doesn't require licensing. Indeed, there is another layer here, which is that it's all being referenced ''as a work of fiction'' (and not with any overt meta shenanigans), which also doesn't generally legally require licensing, except for specific things like song lyrics. I really don't think the story is at any risk of being deemed a [[Four little rules|Rule 2]]-breaker under current precedent. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 07:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
:: Neither option is acceptable, I'm afraid. We can't miscategorise them as Crikeytown residents because "close enough", but the Rule of Three is absolute and brooks no exceptions. My unconventional suggestion would be a merged [[:Category:Crikeytown or Dunfunnin individuals]], in the same spirit as [[:Category:Silurians and Sea Devils]] and other such occasions where we cut (or rather merged) a categorisation Gordian knot regarding two closely-related categories. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 14:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


== Please forgive me ==
:: Phooey. Fixed now. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 00:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


Won't redo that. How though? {{unsigned|User:Sum41Champ}}
== Re: Quick Answers ==


== Reply re forums ==
Yes, I've been following it, and I don't love it. The review period they're introducing is a positive change in the right direction, and I do believe that something like this could be beneficial, but I am distrustful of the use of AI and I don't like that ''every'' page will have to have at least 3 answers. There is no point to, say, [[cheeseburger]] having a Quick Answers module. We currently have 108,069 pages on this wiki. That's 324,207 individual answers to have to review and potentially edit. Lets asssume it takes 10 second to review an answer (which I'm pretty confident in saying is an underestimate). That's 3,242,070 seconds, or over 37 days, of just reviewing and editing Quick Answers, and that's just for the pages we already have: this number will continue to increase without bound as the wiki grows. That's time I'd much rather spend working on actual articles. The AI-generated answers are also probably going to violate [[T:NPOV]] and probably [[T:IU]] a ton, meaning we'll either have to carve out an exception (sacrificing consistency in our style), or edit most of the answers (making 10 seconds a definite underestimate). [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


Hey there! Just replying here in response to [https://tardis.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000003652270/r/4400000000015108410 the Discussions thread]. That is a public discussion you linked re temporary forums, is that something you want Czech's involvement in? Have you tried asking for his input? I also see Bongo gave an option for DPL forums minus the archive which Czech may be open to. --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/> 21:13, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
== QuickAnswers query ==
:Excellent! Might be a good move where all of us can get involved perhaps and have a conversation. I know you're keen to work with Czech on it. Did you want to message Czech with a link to the thread perhaps and see what he says? I'm happy to pass on of course, but might be worth that approach of going direct. I'm here to help though, want to emphasise that, and my talk page/Discord always open! --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/> 19:54, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


== Re: Community consensus ==
Hey! I saw you had some concerns re QuickAnswers and Tardis and I just wanted to address these, and if you had any questions etc.  
Ahh, interesting reply from Spongebob456 above, I'd missed that. Seems like CzechOut is the person to go through, then, although Spongebob456 should certainly be kept in the loop whenever the admins decide to make their move.


I hear what you're saying. "Our chances are better the more people we have." I guess my question is, "Our chances … of what?"
In terms of your concern of questions appearing on every page, [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Pikushi/Updates_on_Quick_Answers_and_Adding_a_Vetting_Period as the blog states], we're working with wikis to work out what a feasible amount looks like. Larger wikis would have more candidates for QAs as their content is often more built out, but the idea isn't to overwhelm you all. We're working with wikis on this, hence the extensive testing.
* Getting admin support? We already have it. There's admin consensus on this issue.
* Getting an admin to request it of CzechOut? That should be a matter of time.
* Getting CzechOut to approve the request? He seemed reasonably apologetic in [[User talk:SOTO#Temporary forums|his latest comments on this topic]]: they were phrased as "please wait a couple weeks" rather than "you cannot do this until I complete the archives". Based on what he wrote there, there's actually nothing stopping us from enacting SOTO's original temporary forums proposal; the current hold-up is because we want to do it ''right'', and that will require FANDOM's help on the DPL side of things.
I'm optimistic that it's still simply a matter of asking. We just need an admin to tell CzechOut to reenable DPL forums, and then stand firm / push back if he tries insisting on restoring the archives first or promising a new deadline. The current silence is simply because our admins are (a) dragging their feet in terror of the big bad bureaucrat, or hopefully (b) taking the time to carefully draft their message. In my view, taking the time to run a poll would just give them a further reason to delay, which is the opposite of what we need.


But given how long we've already been waiting, odds are that they won't act during the time period in question, anyway; so if you're going to go ahead with a census, might I make a suggestion? [[Tardis talk:Temporary forums]] is bogged down with loads of history and conversation from months ago, and it also seems from Spongebob's response above that the URL might cause some confusion – what we're proposing is anything but temporary. So I've just ported a bunch of conversation over to [[Forum talk:Index]]. (While the <code>Forum</code> namespace is closed, <code>Forum talk</code> is still open.) That will be a better home for "showing CzechOut" purposes, and it will provide more room to conduct a census.
Re the quality of the questions and answers, you say they're "fundamentally broken". To begin with, sure, there were a lot of issues and I don't think anyone is disputing that. But since then, the process for generating QAs has been overhauled and tested and I'd hold fire on assuming they're broken until you view the final product. I'm around on Tardis if you have any issues with QAs on rollout, and you know my talk page and Discord are always open of course.  


My other suggestion is that you use the traditional Wikipedia-style proposal voting format, as currently only used on [[Tardis:User rights nominations/Archive]]. Let's make it an example of what a forum thread would look like, and demonstrate why the DPL forum format is better than using discussions! In practice this would just mean creating a structured section for people to vote "For" or "Against" on the specific DPL reactivation proposal. This would make things more organized and provide a very clear way to watch the number of users commenting in support. In fact, maybe I should have preemptively gone ahead and rearranged the comments on the page to use this format. Oh well! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 15:54, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Happy to take any questions/concerns on this! --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/> 10:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


== Re:Welcoming new users ==
:Hey, I know you've had long conversations with Lostris on this so I won't go over the same ground other than to say you have valid concerns for sure. Specifically for Tardis, I get you're saying as Doctor Who has complex lore. The same applies to wikis like Wookieepedia too with the Canon/Legends timeline, not to mention the multiverses in comic books (and ever increasingly in films but I digress!). Staff are aware of this and we need to be patient to see what the quality of the QAs will be.


Ugh, that's very much annoying (and surprising that no one's noticed it before. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!). But yeah, this is definitely something that's out of my league. I'll contact Spongebob456 and see if he can help us. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:45, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
:If they aren't any good, QAs on select pages are easily editable or deleted and we can work out a plan with the community and Fandom staff. An example of this is on the 4 testing communities we rolled QAs out to, they pushed back on the number they had to review. The result was Fandom increased vetting time to a month and halved the number of QAs to review to help with community concerns. You raised an issue re user rights and how feasible it is for admins to cover all the questions too - hopefully this answers that we will work out a plan for this.
: Hey, thanks for <nowiki>{{Welcome}}-ing</nowiki> [[User:Deriksmith]]. But for future reference: please don't do it anymore. With the help of Spongebob and Bongo50, I've set up an fix which *should* start welcoming them automatically in the (near)-future (aka, as soon as possible/as soon as codes are reviewed and take place), and it'll be useful to see if/when it starts taking place. But again, thank you for the initiative. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:30, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
:: Yeah, no probs. As of the time I wrote you my last message, it was ''half'' solved, but now it's fully working! Anyway, t'was good that you did a few extra welcomes (though I suspect the .js solution would've caught up with them eventually). Anyway, let's get onto some editing for the new content. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:19, 23 October 2022 (UTC)


== Re: sandboxes ==
:I will keep the wiki updated on QA developments and have spoken to the admins about setting a forum thread to post these updates which I will make when the next updates come in. Please do keep keep queries coming in the meantime on my talk page though! --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/> 12:54, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
I think you'd be pretty safe, yes. There is broad precedent for sandboxes of pages which current coverage policies forbid, but which people ''have'' in good faith argued ought to be on the Wiki at some point. I'm not quite sure where we would stand on creating user pages documenting random ao3 fanfics with no particular claim to notability, but charity anthologies and the like — sure. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 07:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
: Oh yes, both of those seem entirely A-OK for sandbox coverage. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 13:12, 25 October 2022 (UTC)


== Re: Twitter ==
== Text Cursor ==
I did have that same, or at least a very similar, issue a few years ago. Right pain. But unfortunately I don't know how to fix it, as IIRC Fandom eventually patched it themselves. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 14:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)


Yes, for some reason I run the (unofficial) Twitter account. Do you mean the recent news about where Doctor Who will be streamed in future or is there something else that I've missed? [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:09, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
== Communication ==
Ahoy — I thought I should let you know that for reasons which elude me, Twitch is now refusing to let me send you any more text messages unless I confirm a phone number, even though I can still see yours. (In answer to the last, OS12th has now joined us, though he does not expect to be very active in the immediate future. Revan will certainly ''not'' resume sustained activity, but still intends to try and migrate for the principle of the thing.) --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


: Ok. It's 11:30pm in the UK right now so I can't Tweet anything today but this seems like a great idea for tomorrow. Thanks! [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:31, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
== Marked as Bot ==


== Forums ==
Hi Najawin, I saw that you put a bot marker on my page, but I think I've been mislabelled as I'm not a bot and just a guy making [[Special:WantedCategories|Wanted Categories]]. Hope this can be reversed soon :) [[User:Gingerfool|Gingerfool]] [[User talk:Gingerfool|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi Najawin! I got your message on my talk page. Sure thing, I'm happy to contribute to the discussion and express my support for the change - the wiki is in desperate need of a proper forums discussion area again. However, I noticed - per the link you sent - that no discussion has occurred there since October 20th. Is that the correct page for me to voice my contribution? Hope all is well! [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 14:47, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


Hi! Happy New Year! Thanks for letting me know. I appreciate it. [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 18:34, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
== Re: Wrongly Marked as Bot ==


== Unregistered contributor(s) and BBC America ==
I think it's also because I setup an automated filter to block page creations (except for trusted users and sysops) and this caught their edits. However, the spam attack seemed to have stopped before I got this setup so I've disabled it. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|☎]] 08:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


Sorry for the delayed reply, middle-of-the-weeks have become a busier time for me. Regarding the former: gaaaaaaaah, I don't think there's anything *effective* we can do about it. It's rather unfortunate, because they're *almost* useful edits, but the amount they happen makes it so that there's ''so much'' cleanup to do.
== Re: Spam ==


Now regarding the latter: I honestly have no idea. I don't know the specifics of the deal Czech made with BBCA, so you'd need to check with him, really. In any case, the news seems like the perfect opportunity to revamp our theme(s), which I find extremely good news! [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:40, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
I've deleted all of their pages and blocked all of the suspicious accounts. I'm going to try and set up some filters to catch and prevent these edits. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|☎]] 09:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
: Oh, I don't think you're insane at all! I remember something about a deal with BBCA, and that we couldn't just change the current theme to, say, our old blue/white one because of it. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:31, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
: Scratch that. I don't think the edits have enough defining features to catch them with a filter. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|☎]] 09:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
::There is no current agreement with BBCA, as they are the outgoing distributor in the US.  As it will be about a year before the next episode, there is not currently an ''incoming'' deal either.  However, there could well be some activity in the second half of next year, as obviously Disney+ will want to make some noise about their aquisition, as their streaming deal comes closer to fruition. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 23:42: Wed 16 Nov 2022</span>


== Re: Vandals ==
== Re: Just to help ==
Done. Thank you for suggesting it! <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 20:21, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


== Re: Weird wiki list comprehension thing ==
Good grief that thread was a pain to follow, but thanks for pointing me to it. I've read T:HOMEWORLD like a dozen times and still for some reason didn't make that link as I've been ruminating on this, 'tis a big help, ta - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  23:57, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


Hi. Generally, this sort of thing is a job for [[mw:Extension:DynamicPageList3|DPL]] which is designed for generating lists of pages. Certainly, the [[w:c:help:Extension:DPL3/Parameters: Criteria for page selection#Select articles based on the use of TEMPLATES|<tt>uses</tt> and <tt>notuses</tt> parameters]] could be used to get a list of all pages using {{tlx|Infobox Story}} that don't use {{tlx|invalid}}. The problem is that DPL is slow and inefficient and generating a list this big (more than 8,000 pages use {{tlx|Infobox Story}}!) would probably slow down the entire wiki momentarily.
: Also very useful, thanks! - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] | 01:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


This then brings us to SMW. SMW also isn't particularly fast from a performance perspective. I feel like it would be faster than DPL but I've never tested it. SMW works off of properties so, in this case, we'd need to create [[Property:Valid]] with the [https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Type_Boolean Boolean] datatype. We could then query all pages for which this property is true. Assignment of this property could be automated by having it done in {{tlx|Infobox Story}} based on whether or not it detects that {{tlx|Invalid}} is on the page (as {{tlx|Invalid}} is placed above {{tlx|Infobox Story}}, this is trivial).
== Regarding T:BOUND ==


While DPL is designed to do stuff like this, I'd lean towards using SMW as having a valid property would just be helpful for queries in general. Moreover, it would allow for more power in our queries and results format than DPL can offer. So yes, this is definitely feasible. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Heya, so on [[Talk:The World's End]] you said we shouldn't make the edit because the forum thread is ongoing, "per T:BOUND". Sorry if I'm missing something here, but why would editing something to be more in line with current policy while that policy is being discussed be ''against'' T:BOUND? "... while a discussion is ongoing about how to change a particular rule, you are bound by the rule as it '''currently''' exists" suggests the opposite to me. Cheers, - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  20:26, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


== Re:Tarpok ==
:Admittedly, I'm a bit confused here. That section, and the thread that enshrined it, if I understand correctly, is referring to '''current practice''' also being policy, even if it isn't written down. Are you implying that "leaving pages alone insofar as policy is concerned while said policy is being discussed for change" is current practice? If that's the case, cool (though in that case I might bring that to the Forums to be actually written down, because that precedent in itself is confusing with the summary I cited). If not, could I bother you to elaborate? Thanks for the help - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  22:13, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


Thanks for bringing that up! I've (partially) protected these pages for autoconfirmed users only, so hopefully that'll solve our problems. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:50, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
::I see. Thanks, really, that's been a great help - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  22:38, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


== Re: Hellscape 5 and 6 ==
== ''Space Babies'' ==
I haven't listened to them myself, in part due to their reputation of being truly awful as well as being produced by post-controversy BBV, however I do know from personal interaction that @[[User:NateBumber|NateBumber]] has listened to them, so he'd be able to help you. (Though I'd recommend talking about them on the FP Wiki IMO.) {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 12:36, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
You've got me curious now, what are your thoughts on ''Space Babies''? {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 23:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
: Pardon my jumping in — I didn't much care for the episode either, but I confess myself baffled as to how one could ''possibly'' interpret it as anti-abortion. The pro-choice parable seemed, if anything, ham-fisted (though intentionally so, I'm sure, that's just how Davies rolls, so that's not necessarily a criticism). "There's a law against switching off baby-making machines, but no structure to support the 'surplus' babies"… it seems pretty clear-cut? The law is clearly singled out as stupid in itself, so I don't think there's much of a reading to be had whereby the law is good but the government is culpable for not having the safety net afterwards. It's very much pitched as "you people passed that self-evidently stupid law, and then you ''don't even'' do anything to mitigate the damage? for shame". I've thought about it from several angles and I really just don't see what reading you and your friends seem to be onto. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
:: I don't see what "save the Bogeyman same as the others" has to do with it. I ''guess'' the basic "every life is valuable" can be read uncharitably, but that still seems strained to me; it's not as though the Doctor asserts that the machine should be kept ''on'', after all. It's just the difference between being pro-choice and being pro-''A Modest Proposal''. Maybe slightly clumsy but, with due respect to your friends, this seems tenuous enough relative to the earlier, much more explicit metaphor that I would certainly not describe it as ''worse'' than the ever-discourse-stirring ''Kill the Moon''. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


== Seventh Doctor Timeline ==
::: I did have the same take-away as Scrooge here did, but I almost get the impression that it's pro-choice, but, if in the situation where that choice is denied, then the children should be cared for. I do feel it likely wasn’t an intended theme of the episode though, it didn't feel like something RTD consciously wanted to write the story around.
::: It was, otherwise, certainly purile but it'd be amiss for me to say that I didn’t love the performances of Gatwa and Gibson and how they really ''bounced'' off the environment. Ruby's disgust was downright palpable. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 01:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


If you go to the talk page archives most of the issue was resolved. The only things that were left unresolved was the placement of the short trips and if in general misc short stories should be placed before or after the PDAs, But a lot of the placement issues in that conversation were definetely resolved.
: Well, for what it's worth, I rather thought the idea was that the Bogeyman ''wasn't'' a villain at all — just an innocent six-year-old being who just so happened to have been designed to ''look'' instinctively scary. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Theory_talk:Timeline_-_Seventh_Doctor/Archive_1
[[User:Tellymustard|Tellymustard]] [[User talk:Tellymustard|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:55, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


: Oh, ok. that makes sense. {{Unsigned|Tellymustard}}
== Mh? ==
Did I what to whom now? I'm quite lost. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
: Oh yes! Well, I can't say the rewatch of ''DCtT'' which prompted this round of edits had ''nothing'' to do with the stream… But it's not as though the Houses aren't always gnawing at my brain in my ''natural'' state, and I have other reasons besides. I wasn't consciously thinking of sticking that page on the next Wheel or anything. Although, now you come to mention it… --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


== Re: For(u)m Letter ==
== Re:not on Twitter ==
(Are you and LegoK9 the same person?) Anyway, I'm aware of Nitter, but I thought they closed down? [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


Thanks for inviting me to the discussion regarding the forums. I'm sorry for not replying sooner, I've been less active on the wiki for the last few months due to work and contemplating how to resolve the discussion on the ''Doctor of War'' audios, but I'll try and take a look through the forum discussion and see what's been said already, and throw in my thoughts as well. Hope you have a good Christmas and new year![[User:Thalek Prime Overseer|Thalek Prime Overseer]] [[User talk:Thalek Prime Overseer|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:53, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
== Re. FP forums ==
It happens that I have moderator status on the FP forums, so I've attempted to do a cleanup. I am ''hoping'' — fingers crossed — I didn't muck anything up, as that's the first time I've deleted posts and banned a user... {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 02:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


== Digital availability ==
== Re: Boulevard ==
Unfortunately not! I've fallen off a bit with the more recent FP releases. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|TheChampionOfTime]] [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


Do we have this conversation archived anywhere? because I am curious about this. [[User:Tellymustard|Tellymustard]] [[User talk:Tellymustard|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:18, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
== Re: Signature Template ==
Hi Najawin, you mentioned making my Signature a template so that it doesn't take up loads of space, but it doesn't seem to work how ones like Epsilon's do, even though there doesn't seem to be any differences between the signature code, it still transfers the whole mediawiki code of mine into the page when signed. Is there anything I can change in the preferences to change this? I've tried linking to the [[User:Gingerfool/Sig]] page using {{}}, and it automatically adds SUSBT: to it, but is there anything else I can try? -[[User:Gingerfool|Gingerfool]] [[User talk:Gingerfool|Talk Page]] 14:10, 30 July 2024 (UTC)


: Oh, ok. I understand that entirely. Thank you for taking the time to reply to this. [[User:Tellymustard|Tellymustard]] [[User talk:Tellymustard|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:36, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
== Re: Quantum ==
You really will be much happier once you accept that the Observer Effect and the observer effect are different things altogether… --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)


== Re: This Town Cover ==
== Muppets: creatures? puppets? ==
 
Actually, my understanding is that, in most accounts, "the Muppets" is in fact simply the name of Kermit's ''acting troupe'', and they are, diegetically, genuine talking animals. (Or talking humans in some cases.) Of course, various media have shown them displaying awareness that they are puppets to one extent or another, but that's more of a fourth-wall joke (e.g. Kermit remarking that he isn't sure who this Jim Henson fellow is, "but I've heard that he's got his hand in a lot of things around here. Not sure what that means"). The idea of 'Muppets' as living beings of felt and cardboard, knowingly coexisting with flesh-and-blood humans, in the mould of ''Roger Rabbit''{{'}}s ink-and-paint 'Toons', is more of an online meme/fandom confabulation. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Fair enough, although the deletion reason being the file name made me assume that was the only reason - I'll try to read edit summaries in future (although, really, it should've been tagged as a duplicate imo). [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:43, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 
: Do you have a link to the pre-existing image, for reference? [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:54, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 
== Death Comes To Time ==
 
Ah, probably just a misread on my part of something that I thought would support the case, sorry about that. I'll go over the talk page soon [[User:Editoronthewiki|Editoronthewiki]] [[User talk:Editoronthewiki|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:42, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 
== Response to your welcome ==
 
Hello, Najawin! Thank you for your kind word, greatly!! <3
 
I have read through a lot of the Tardis:Help page and other related things you sent me before I began editing, but thank you anyway!
And thank you a lot for telling me not to copy-paste information, as i could have ended up doing that more by accident if you hadn't. (I seem to recall seeing small noun pages which had almost copy-pasted info, but now I look back on it, i dont think it was exactly copy-pasted. So again, thank you)
 
Also, im glad you appreciate the fact im an FP fan! Personally, i have read The Book of the War, Alien Bodies, Interference, and both audio series (and im getting TToP5+This Town+Shadows of Avalon in the post soon), so I do have some narrativr knowledge, but a lot of my knowledge is from this wiki itself. In fact, reading this wiki for hours on end over the COVID-19 Lockdown is what got me interested in FP in the first place! So im ever-grateful for its coverage on this wiki.
 
I am using the source editor already, as adviced by Bongo50, but thank you.
 
(Side note, my user page will look prettier when my phone starts working properly)
 
Good tidings, [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc|Etty]] [[User talk:Cousin Ettolrhc|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:13, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Etty
 
== planet Djinn page edit ==
 
What did you edit it with? {{Unsigned|JamesMaster12}}
 
== Re: Forums ==
Yes! We have. But good thought! <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 09:17, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 
== RE: Temporary Forums ==
 
Hi. I thought I'd better reply here as it's a different topic than the discussion thread we were on. I've had a look at the temporary forums, but so far I have nothing new to add. I'm gonna keep an eye out though, so I may end up contributing. It's good to have them anyhow :) [[User:LauraBatham|LauraBatham]] [[User talk:LauraBatham|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:56, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 
== Re: Vandalism + Lock page ==
 
Thanks. The anon has been blocked and the page protected. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:37, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 
: This prefix actually seems to be a bit of an edge case, left over from the old series prefixes and now only used to prefix links to annuals in places such as [[DWM 389#Reviews]] and [[2012 (releases)#August]] which is different to the usage outlined on its page. Therefore, I'm just going to turn the page into a redirect to [[Doctor Who annual]]. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:14, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 
== Temporary forums, Curse, validity ==
I have put forward a [[User:Scrooge MacDuck/Sandbox Eta|proposed update]] to T:VS at [[Tardis:Temporary forums]] which I believe would, if successful, obviate the need for specific debates on ''[[Death Comes to Time (webcast)|Death Comes to Time]]'' and ''[[The Curse of Fatal Death (TV story)|The Curse of Fatal Death]]''. As you supported the proposal for a new inclusion debate for the former, and are the standard-bearer for reexamining the current standing of the latter, I thought you may want to give that proposal a read. If you agree with the proposal, I trust you'll agree that we had best see if it passes ''before'' we start either of those two debates, so, unorthodox as it may be, may I prevail upon you to (temporarily, if need be) remove your support from the ''DCtT'' thread and put ''Curse'' on hold, to ensure that the wider proposal reaches the top of the list first? Entirely up to you, this is obviously a request as a fellow editor and Forum-goer, not a demand from an admin. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 19:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
::Fair enough. (It climbed faster than I feared it might.) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 22:58, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 
== Citations etc. ==
I've been using "et al." fairly universally to refer to sources, frankly because I think it's prettier; but upon Googling earlier today, I was rather embarrassed to find that the use of "et al." in academic citations is usually reserved for people, whereas "etc." is used when a list is of objects. Wondering what your response to that definition would be? – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 23:27, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
: Not as doomed as all that, I'd say, myself! Should we decide to — say — replace "etc." with "et al." across the board, we could plausibly enforce that across the Wiki with a bot run. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 00:07, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 
== Bound ==
You may be interested in [[Tardis talk:You are bound by current policy]]. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 14:10, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 
== Non-narratives ==
Hiya @[[User:Najawin|Najawin]], I see you've started Wikifying the [[User:Najawin/sandbox|opening post for the thread on the validity of non-narrative fiction]], and therefore I feel I ought to help. Back in 2020, @[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] did some research into non-narratives, finding the absurd reasons why an entire genre is invalid. This was lost when the thread he posted it in got deleted along with every other thread, but I have been able to recover parts. Please check out [[User:Epsilon the Eternal/Non-narrative fiction]] for his full documentation which is highly enlightening.
 
Also, would you mind if I had permission to edit your draft for the opening post? I feel I could add a bit as I have recently been dealing with non-narrative fiction a lot and feel I understand certain areas well. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 15:12, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 
: Despite their histories being connected, I'm not sure discussion of non-linear narratives is best handled here. With non-narratives, I feel there it isn't going to be simple, given there are differences between non-narrative fiction told from an in-universe perspective and from an out-of-universe perspective, and discussion of non-deigetic references with the OOU perspective non-narrative fiction. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 16:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 
:: Hey! I think your OP's pretty good; one quibble, though — please refer to "branching" or, better yet, "interactive" narratives, not "non-linear" ones. Many valid novels and the like are "non-linear" in the sense of the narrative jumping around, even though, once you pull the threads back together, there's only one sequence of events being depicted. And then there's your experimental pieces with a timey-wimey gimmick… [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 15:55, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 
::: Hi again, wanna point out that your statement "''As for the idea that many of the non narrative pieces of fiction are crap, this isn't for us to adjudicate. It's neither here nor there.''" can be backed up [[T:VS]], which ''specifically states'': "'''We also specifically do not consider the quality of the narrative when deciding whether to exclude a story.'''" I feel citing the policy here could strengthen your well-made point.
 
::: Also! I have finished my opening post — at [[User:Epsilon the Eternal/Non-narrative fiction/OP]] — which you may want to read over as I have lot of information that would complement your opening post well. I don't wanna tread on your toes, so feedback would be helpful. I was planning to post my opening post underneath yours in the eventual forum thread, which I feel could be easier to do than just merging the two together. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 18:44, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 
== Re: Warring ==
It is clearly edit warring, and us users who are trying to prevent these kinds of inaccurate edits are still only supposed to act within the three revert rule even if we know our edit is correct (as from the incorrect user's perhaps less educated view they also think that they know their way is correct). I think [[User:Sum41Champ]] will likely receive a more lengthy ban for this, and perhaps [[User:Epsilon the Eternal]] will be warned (although I think a short-term ban may be more acceptable considering there has been incidents like this from him in the past). I'd suggest leaving it to an admin now to avoid getting in trouble yourself, but obviously I'm not an admin so can only give my advice. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:27, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 
: My edits weren't intended to be direct attempts at edit warring as I did try to constructively explain my reasoning. Perhaps I should've shot @[[User:Najawin|Najawin]] a talk page message instead or opened a talk page, but my edits weren't mere reversions like [[Tardis:Edit wars are good for absolutely nothing]] states. Also, as I, at maximum, made three edits, this doesn't qualify as edit warring per the policy as it states "an edit war is considered a "war" if you revert edits on an article 4 times within 36 hours". So warning/ban for not breaking a policy... pardon me what? {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 01:36, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 
== Re: T:NO RW ==
I actually don't remember such a lost Forum thread, but in my defense there were ''so many'' and it's been such a while since they were lost... I also didn't realise such descriptions were in contention. I've seen many of these descriptions and written several myself, so my mistake not knowing they were disallowed, and I feel the best course of action is to get [[T:NO RW]] changed a bit to allow common sense context. I also addressed the edit "war" [[#Re: Warring|above]]. Have a nice night. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 01:47, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 
== Re: Appearances ==
Ah, thanks! (Regarding OS12th, I believe he tried a bot run and it was only partially successful for… whatever reasons.) On that note, could I have your thoughts at [[Talk:Nestene/Auton_-_list_of_appearances]]? [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 19:12, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 
: I've performed all of the remaning moves. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:10, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 
== Lawrence Miles YouTube channel ==
 
Is [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/User:Najawin?curid=272388&diff=3411488&oldid=3409622 this recent addition to your user page] true or just a joke? If it is true, do you have a source? [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:25, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 
: Exciting! [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:08, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 
== Custom namespaces ==
 
Hi Najawin. I saw [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/User:Najawin/Sandbox_1?curid=275460&diff=3415120&oldid=3414717 this edit] on your first sandbox. We don't need Czech for custom namespaces. Any admin ''should'' just be able to send in a request in the Fandom contact form and they'll enable it. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:54, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 
:Oh ok. That is harder, yeah. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:17, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 
:: I've asked on the Fandom Discord server whether custom namespaces that can only be edited by a custom user group is possible. Custom namespaces are definitely possible but custom user groups and making namespaces only editable by certain user groups are more tentative. I'm going to reach out to Fandom support to see if it is a possibility. If it isn't possible to get a custom user group, the SMW administrators and curators groups are not ones that we would want to give out to most people. SMW editors is probably harmless, although it would add possibly annoying help messages as shown [https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Edit_help#/media/File:SmwgEnabledEditPageHelp_-_Special_property.png here]. Bare in mind that the user groups can only be granted by bureaucrats (or possibly even Fandom staff), though. If all of this locking the namespace to certain user groups proves too infeasible, we could just have it where the guides sandbox can be edited by anyone (and patrolled for vandalism like any usual page) while all actual guide pages are locked, including the page listing all guides. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 
== RE: Wookieepedia question ==
 
As in like a navigation box you'd find at the bottom of a page? We have many, both for stories and in-universe examples. See [https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Template:JediCouncil22 here] for one such in-universe example, and here [https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Darth_Vader_2020 here] for an out-of-universe. However, we also have had a lot more that were recently trash compacted after being deemed unnecessary. See: [https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:TC:Navboxes?t=20230117235450 here for an example]. Its often case by case, does having this nav box help our readers. [[User:Editoronthewiki|Editoronthewiki]] [[User talk:Editoronthewiki|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:05, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 
== Re: Cosmology ==
Hmm. Yeah, I think the voice you struck isn't quite right in terms of Wiki precedent. I think you should adopt a more external perspective on the text ''qua'' text-that-exists-in-universe (we probably need ''[[The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic]]''… or would it be ''[[The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic (in-universe document)]]''?). "The document begins by stating that it is important to note" rather than "It is important to note", etc.? [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 19:46, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
: Looks good to me! [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 20:27, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 
== Iron Law ==
Just stopping by to say hello and that "Laboratories of Oligarchy" was a good read and very, erhm, applicable. Great find. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 18:25, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 
: Hi Najawin. I saw your message on Nate's talk where you mentioned WikiChron. I am pleased to say that I have added Tardis to its available wikis! Because Tardis is quite large, it can take a long time to generate data, but I think it's all working and some of it is really interesting. This process also involved downloading almost the entire wiki which may have lead to a few more interesting things to follow. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 
== Re: WikiChron ==
 
I followed all of the instructions to get a full download (I used a script to download the wiki in 56 parts, then used another script to merge these before finally using another script to convert the data into the correct format). I do agree that some of the numbers are weird, though. I think it might be that some of the numbers are actually showing "thousands of edits", for example, and just not making it clear. This is a guess, though. I'm going to have a look at it all again tonight to see if I am missing anything. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:21, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 
: I've had a quick look at it now and it does actually seem to be missing around 90% of edits. I don't know what went wrong but I'll try to fix it later. I dread to think how much WikiChron will struggle with the full wiki, though. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:: I have confirmed that the dump I was using was missing ''a lot'' of data. I don't think that the bug with the [[Special:Statistics]] dump still exists and so I have chosen to use that. Even if the bug still exist, however, it will still be better than what I was using (the dump currently on WikiChron was >1GB before processing, the new one is close to 30GB before processing). The only is problem is that it is from 20/08/2022. I have requested a more up-to-date dump but this can take a while to be generated. When it is, I will switch WikiChron to use that but I hope that this slightly outdated one will do for now. Also note that processing the dump to the required format takes a while and I haven't yet finished processing the better dump so WikiChron is still on the very patchy older dump. I will upload the fixed dump as soon as I can. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 
::: I've processed the better dump and tried it upload it to WikiChron. However, the file is too large and throws an error. I'm going to look into running WikiChron locally. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 
== Dr Omega ==
Hey! Saw you'd like me to write an OP on "how to deal" with Doctor Omega, but I'm not entirely sure what sorts of question you want to discuss here. Is this about potential coverage of the ''Doctor Omega Chronicles'', or what? [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 11:41, 23 March 2023 (UTC)e
: Ah yes! I'd forgotten about the Professor/Doctor Omega conflation that makes everything trickier. As for wider coverage of ''Doctor Omega'' media, I think the one real candidate thus far is ''[[The Doctor Omega Chronicles (series)|The Doctor Omega Chronicles]]'', which lifts the design from the cover of ''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (reference book)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'' and makes it Omega's ship, in what some might argue is a very unusual example of a spin-off using a licensed DWU concepts. I suppose recent policy might allow us to cover that ''TGC'' cover as a valid "(illustration)" unto itself, which would help… If we take that whole matter seriously, of course, it would create further tangles given the apparent implication that Dr Omega was [[the Other]]. On the whole, plenty to talk about, yes. But the problems, while entangled with each other, are of different classes: an inclusion debate, questions of splitting and merging character pages… This'd be a tricky OP to structure. I'll ponder it, but any advice based on the above summary would be welcome!
 
: Also, I've restored [[Talk:Skirmish at Tranquil Repose]] as per your wishes; it was indeed a pretty meaty thing worth preserivng — although it's wildly outdated for the reasons I mentioned at [[Talk:Thirteenth Doctor's forced regeneration]], with people freely talking of linking to story summaries in in-universe sections, and mentioning as examples of overreach pages for events which have since found names, and thus ironclad justifications for their existence, in valid sources. Interestingly, as per the final comment from [[User:Dark Lord Xander]], it also seems to predate, and to possibly have given rise to, the {{tlx|conjecture}} template. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 19:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:: Oh yes. A discussion on [[T:HOMEWORLD]] for equations of DWU characters with public-domain characters is overdue. Another important case is the [[Merlin]] of ''[[A Honeycomb of Souls (short story)|A Honeycomb of Souls]]'', who is fairly clearly meant to be [[The Doctor (Battlefield)|the ''Battlefield'' Doctor]].
 
:: I actually do think "the specific version of Sherlock from ''Erasing Sherlock''" would count as a licensable concept. The most famous example here would be the ''Pyramids of Mars'' [[Sutekh]], whom we very much treat as a copyrighted entity whose [[Sutekh (series)|licensed appearances]] require coverage, as well we should.
 
:: This seems to me, however, to be a somewhat different question from the common use of Doctor Omega as a thinly-veiled [[First Doctor]]. If we ever get a licensed BBC story where the ''bona fide'' Hartnell cops to having once gone by "Dr Omega" (as an impish reference to [[Omega|the ancient Gallifreyan engineer he idolised in his youth]], perhaps), we'll have a different pickle on our hands. But I don't think we can start covering anything with a public-domain Doctor Omega in it. It's not as though we can start recognising that he ''is'' the First Doctor (why then, wouldn't we acknowledge [[The Corsair (The Bloodletters)]] as [[the Corsair]], or indeed [[Ceol]] as [[Kelsey Hooper]]?), so what's the justification?
 
:: The claim that all uses of Dr Omega make him the Doctor also isn't really true. ''Marticide'' certainly doesn't (the following is obviously not a citable statement on-Wiki but [[Robert Shepherd]] oncce outright told me that his intent was to go back to the original character, as removed as possible from any ''Who'' welding). And while ''Doctor Omega Chronicles'' make him a Doctorish type of character, he's very much not the First Doctor in them, although he might be destined to become the Other. Further out of the potential remit of the Wiki, the version used by [[Callum Phillpott]] in ''[https://jennyeverywhere.fandom.com/wiki/Jenny_Over-There:_The_Nine-Two-Five_Universe_(series) Jenny Over-There]'' and ''[[The Crew of the Copper-Colored Cupids (series)|The Crew of the Copper-Colored Cupids]]'' is also wholly removed from the First Doctor conflation, characterising him as a much stranger, much more untrustworthy figure.
 
:: An open-source DWU-debuting concept is yet another conundrum. It's thankfully still hypothetical, but not by much: the aforementioned ''Jenny Over-There'' story feature [https://jennyeverywhere.fandom.com/wiki/The_Man_in_Grey a character] who's very strongly hinted to be a development of Phillpott's [[man in black (Cyber-Hunt)|man in black]] from ''[[Cyber-Hunt (novelisation)|Cyber-Hunt]]'', who was in fact released into the public domain. What side-steps the issue for us in this case is that Phillpott didn't actually retain ownership of the Man in Black, for "BBV contracts are exploitive" reasons; indeed, they made and open-sourced the Man in Grey as a kind of protest. But it certainly demonstrates that the scenario is very possible. As the afore-linked-to ''Jenny Everywhere'' Wiki demonstrates, it is not impossible to endeavour to track all of an open-source character's appearances without exception, but that might be quite a leap of faith for our Wiki, even if we naturally exclude fanfics that'd also make use of copyrighted ''Who'' concepts.
 
:: On the whole I can't help feeling that we have three or four distinct topics here, only a few of which ''directly'' touch upon Dr Omega, and they're fairly-removed from the Omega-centric issues of how to deal with the Professor conflation and whether to cover ''Doctor Omega Chronicles'' over the ship. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 21:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 
== Question ==
 
Hey, I've got something I'd like answered and you might be the person to ask.
 
When this Wiki started, and when I joined in, invalid pages had continuity sections. Today they don't, and I recall them all being removed sometime around 2012. But, I can't figure out if this was an on-site consensus, a debate we had, a forum discussion, something on a talk page... Or if it's just something the admins did one day. You have any clue? [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 05:42, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 
: Thanks, you're always great at looking into these topics. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 07:22, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:: Thanks, I was going to ask you for help with that one too! [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 09:12, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 
== Señor 118 ==
…eh? Would you be kind enough to elucidate that statement about Señor 118 and new FP audios? I've been staring at it in bemusement. (As far as FP audios or lack thereof are concerned, I really could clear up a few rumours for you if you were contactable in some private fashion, you know…) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 22:06, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
: I ''thought'' it was. But I still don't see how the Señor factors into this! [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 22:11, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
:: Shame on you, Scrooge. All this time I thought you were a FP superfan like the rest of us, only to find out that you haven't even read ''Wallowing''. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 19:58, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
::: Well, let me think. Aside from possible brushing against the problem in the OG FP thread, there was ''definitely'' discussion of it on the huge "Doctor's TARDIS is individual or object?" thread, which as you'll recall got derailed into a sort of ''impromptu'' inclusion debate for ''[[Toy Story (short story)|Toy Story]]'', arguing on whether we could acknowledge its characters as the TARDIS, the Doctor and Compassion. Therein, [[User:NateBumber]] successfully persuaded the opposition (as embodied by [[User:Amorkuz]]) that it was kosher for Miles to lean on the ''situation'' he established in ''[[Interference (novel)|Interference]]'', and that through the legal link to the events on [[Foreman's World]] as something which happened to [[Compassion]] (appearing under license), we could therefore acknowledge the Ship as the TARDIS and the Cuckoo Pilot as the Doctor.
 
::: (The thread did ''not'', however, fully clarify the implications of this as regards "the dangerous-looking one" being [[the Master]], Lolita thus being [[the Master's first TARDIS]], and [[the War King]] thus being the Master; which is why our coverage on this point is, at present, somewhat confused. I understand Nate has a proposal in [[T:TF]] to rethink our coverage of the FP Master-analogues.)
 
::: Also of general relevance, if its existence should have slipped your mind, might be [[Thread:279761]], the long and heated 2020 thread that eventually enshrined the general outlines of [[T:HOMEWORLD]] once for all, closed in the final years of [[Special:Forum]] by [[User:SOTO]]. There was a long discussion of the "by-another-name" concepts, with [[User:DiSoRiEnTeD1]] initially arguing for a hardline view that we should have different pages for [[The Homeworld]] and [[Gallifrey]], and merely cover stories licensed to use both on both pages. The conclusion of the thread rejected that proposal, reasserting the philosophy established in the FP inclusion debate, but did lead to doing away with a few cases of overreach, e.g. separating [[Ceol]] from [[Kelsey Hooper]]. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 14:31, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 
:: I think you may have misunderstood? I never said Amorkuz had been convinced of Lolita=TheMaster'sTARDIS — quite the opposite. What I said was that he had been convinced of Cuckoo=Doctor and Ship=TARDIS, and thus accepted the ''principle'', ''even though'' the discussion failed to extend the reasoning all the way to Lolita for some reason. Note this quote:
{{quote|I would agree with you if we didn't know whether it was intended as the Doctor's TARDIS. But on that we all seem to agree. Out-of-universe, this seems clear. The problem is that the author's intent is not acceptable evidence. What we search for, therefore, is in-universe evidence. But for the in-universe evidence, it should immaterial whether the author was aware of it, right? In fact, maybe it does not even matter when the novelisation was published.|User:Amorkuz}}
:: which explicitly frames the issue in terms of ''in-universe evidence'', with no further concern about ''licenses''. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 16:45, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 
== Arc precedent ==
Over in the T:BOUND thread you mentioned "a pretty heavy removal of 'arc related' content a while back". I'm not sure I recall what you're referring to. Would you refresh my memory? – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 19:58, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 
:Ahh, okay, one of the "ambiguous categories" debates, I remember those. Cheers for the link.
 
:Btw, I received some Q&A questions from Neo, and I understand I have you to thank for some of these humdingers? You've got me reviewing every paper I've ever downloaded! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 20:26, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 
== Re:Legacies ==
 
Okay, so here's the motivation I had during that discussion.
 
Around this time, ''Candy Jar'' started using their material to heavily retcon Moffat TV stories. Because of this, there was a movement on the website to ''inaccurately cover certain stories that started on TV'' in order to better match with the half-assed ''CJ'' retcons. For instance, there was a brief edit war over it [[TV]]: ''[[The Snowmen (TV story)|The Snowmen]]'' should be presented as an origin for the [[Great Intelligence]], as the TV story clearly states that it is. Certain editors even removed moments in the story, such as the Doctor setting up [[TV]]: ''[[The Web of Fear (TV story)|The Web of Fear]]'', because it "no longer fit" with the ''CJ'' retcon.
 
So it became my mission to set better boundaries. For instance, I did not think that [[Walter Simeon]] should have the CJ novels listed as appearances, as the novels only describe his appearance and did not have the license to use him.
 
So basically my motivation was not letting CJ's more obscure stories ''significantly retcon'' BBC Wales concepts that they did not have permission to use. I'm sure that my arguments went beyond this, but really the central conflict goes back to how I believe we should cover TV: ''The Snowemen''. I personally think I've won on this front, as the GI page correctly discusses it as a ''potential origin'', as was the intention.
 
But furthermore, I feel strongly that the Candy Jar novels represent this weird moment, where we were suddenly getting this influx of ''Wilderness Years''-style material, except the content sometimes read like causing people to rewrite other stories on the wiki was the purpose. I felt extreme hesitation to this, and I continue to as we see the odd BBV releases with the same general tone. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 03:05, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 
== Re: New stub image ==
 
Hi, thanks for [[:File:UnprodTab.png|your design]] of a "tab-style" image for {{tlx|unprod}}. However, I have decided to go with the designs that [[User:OttselSpy25]] put together. I think having the text run over the image like he did works a little better and reduces the cramptness. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:31, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 
== Re: Bot ==
 
I had not seen this talk page. However, I am already loosely familiar with the technical process of setting up a bot. What I need from Tangerineduel is to have a new account placed in the bot user group. That requires a bureaucrat and I'm unsure what  procedure is for requesting this, if there is one. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:03, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 
== Dispute? ==
I don't follow; how is River's partial humanness disputed? [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 09:03, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
: Aah, yes, I see. Disputed in the sense of the correct interpretation of the text being disputed between Wiki editors, not of there being a conflict of accounts. Gotcha. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 13:12, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 
== Further Timeless Child mess ==
 
Actually, thanks for reminding me, because I think that ''[[The Secret of the Timeless Child (short story)|The Secret of the Timeless Child]]'' has been misinterpreted. It says:
 
:But, before she could share this incredible secret with her fellow Gallifreyans, Tecteun tested the theory on herself. The process worked, and Tecteun allowed others the power of regeneration — but there was a strict limit. Each Gallifreyan could only change twelve times. And that's how the Shobogans of Gallifrey became the Time Lords.
 
When I first read it, I too thought "but there was a strict limit" was referring to "The process worked". However, I think it is meant to add to "Tecteun allowed others the power of regeneration", especially given the following sentences. Or basically, it is meant to be read not as "The process worked […] — but there was a strict limit." but as "[…]Tecteun allowed others the power of regeneration — but there was a strict limit." Would you agree with this interpretation or not? [[User:Chubby Potato|Chubby Potato]] [[User talk:Chubby Potato|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:12, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 
== Handramit ==
Restored! But I think you'll be disappointed. It's just a one-post note from Czech, not a discussion. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 10:53, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 
== Queer cats OP ==
Hey, I know I'm not the person you asked, but I've just read through the OP, and I think there are two perspectives missing.
 
One is the view that we should ''respect the wishes of the people involved'', on principle, regardless of whether we find these feelings justified. e.g. the correct way to evaluate 'Against 1' is not by weighing probable harm ''ourselves'', but by observing that some of the people we are proposing to put in these categories are concerned at the prospect. (Contrariwise, of course, some BTS people have come out in favour of them. Though the further answer here is that we can ''note'' these people's identities on their pages, in accordance with their wishes, while withholding the ''category'' because the people who wished not to be categorised mean that such a ''category'' would be irreducibly incomplete.)
 
Another is that I'm not so sure about your T:BOUND interpretation regarding the adjudication of the topic for in-universe pages, because, like… if memory serves, that thread ''explicitly'' ruled only for in-universe cats and not for real-world ones, so it feels weird to use it not just as a precedent but as an ''overriding'' precedent on the exact issue it explicitly said it wasn't ruling about. You know? And all questions of harm aside there are many ways in which our IU and OOU category trees differ. [[:Category:Human biological fathers]] exists, but I don't think that's an open call for people to make matching categories for real-world people, not for reasons of harm reduction or libel or anything, just because that information is not ''relevant'' for real-world people in the way it is for characters. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 19:13, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
: For the first thing, you did pay some service to it, yes, but I really think it should be considered an "Against" ''in its own right''. For at least some in the discussion, I believe that there is nothing more to be said once the people themselves have come out against the categories, as simple as that.
 
: As for the second thing — ah, I see. That's fair. But I do think you should edit the OP to be clearer that this limited thing is what you meant. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 19:39, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

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Re: TLDR[[edit source]]

Ah, thank you. Will do so in a minute.

19:08, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

RE:Sandbox[[edit source]]

Thanks very much! Aquanafrahudy 📢 18:24, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Re: threads[[edit source]]

Aye, that's next on my docket. Give me a minute, though: nine in an afternoon, phew! And I still have a reply on that ol'R4BP thread cooking… Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 20:23, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Re: I dunno about you[[edit source]]

Just left a response on Forum:10 Years on, Amnesty Once More. Thanks for telling me about it. Sorry I haven't added anything to Forum:Rule 4 by Proxy and its ramifications: considered in the light of the forum archives, that thread became, very quickly, overwhelming to me considering its length.

16:56, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Re: Sections[[edit source]]

Yeah, I think so. It's just too much unbroken in-universe gab. You'd need subsection titles, pull-quotes, images — but I also think parenthetical citations are the wrong fit for this, and we should discuss the flow of episodes and season-breaks and EU media in-text. "Though largely standalone, Christmas special provided some emotional resolution for Amy and Rory, while teasing the next arc-plot on a thematic level…" sorts of things. Or so I suspect. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 20:03, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Image choices look workable. I would definitely alternate between right- and left-justified images, though. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 13:48, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi[[edit source]]

Would be exceedingly interested to hear your thoughts over at Forum:Roland Rat: The Series, if you have the time and the inclination. No worries if not, though, or if you have no real thoughts on the matter. :) - Aquanafrahudy 📢 09:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. The whole first series is available on Youtube, if you're interested. Aquanafrahudy 📢 19:40, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Endless[[edit source]]

What's the difference with endless and infinite? User:Sum41Champ

Re: Thread closures[[edit source]]

Hi, I'm a little busy at the moment but I should be able to have a look at these either today or tomorrow. Sorry about the massive backlog of threads that need closing. Bongo50 ☎ 07:01, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Sory but I've not had time to close either thread yet. I have done a reread of Forum:10 Years on, Amnesty Once More, though, and am starting to formulate some closing thoughts. Hopefully, I'll be able to get that one closed tomorrow with Forum:(SPOILER: The start of RtD2) Quickstart Guides following soon after. Bongo50 ☎ 18:59, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Yep. I'm discussing some potential complications of Forum:10 Years on, Amnesty Once More with Scrooge and I'm writing the closing post to Forum:(SPOILER: The start of RtD2) Quickstart Guides right now. Bongo50 ☎ 20:54, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Yep. I still need to talk things through with Scrooge but I think we've both been quite busy. There doesn't seem to be any kind of way to automate the unblocking process so, unless we feel we can devote the time to perform the amnesty, we won't be able to close it. Bongo50 ☎ 11:43, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

The Klade[[edit source]]

I have opened up a talk page to discuss the possible kalde mention on that page if you would like to take part.Anastasia Cousins ☎ 21:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Re: R4BP[[edit source]]

It's been the plan for some time for User:Bongolium500 to write a semi-closure, and then officially set the bounds for a Part Two thread to properly discuss where we go from here. But I did ask him to hold off until I got the chance for one last riposte, which I do have half-written — my thoughts on Web Theory no longer reflect what's up in the thread (though lest you cry victory it goes without saying that I still don't agree with you, either). I've just been, as I said, very busy. After tonight, I should hopefully be past one of the most time-consuming responsibilities of those last two months — I'd tell you what it is, but, uh, T:SPOIL. [eyes emoji] So at a wildly optimistic guess expect a response this week-end, and more realistically some time in the coming week… after which it's up to you whether you'll want to reply to me again (I don't want to forcibly have the "last word" or anything), or to leave it to Bongo to close and reboot. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 18:41, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

TCoRR plot summary[[edit source]]

Just want to thank you in advance for fleshing out the plot summary for The Church on Ruby Road.

02:48, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Re: editoralizng[[edit source]]

Which part of the edit was editorializing? It carries none of my personal opinions, is the same information as the previous version just written less clunky. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thisyeah (talk • contribs) .

Taking you up on an old offer[[edit source]]

A while ago you offered to explain to me how to perform some edits on this wiki. At the time I turned down the request however I would now like to take you up on it. I have an image I would like to upload however I struggle to understand the image policy and I do not know how to practically add an image at all. Can you explain this to me please. I would like it explained if possible as someone who know absolutely nothing about beyond computers beyond knowing how to type and sign thingsAnastasia Cousins ☎ 11:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

thank you for your help the image has been uploaded is this okay?
Red Dalek Leader and two Subordinates

Re: QuickAnswers[[edit source]]

Yes, that's definitely been on both Bongo's radar and mine. Worrying indeed, but we (the Wiki) have weathered worse storms, and we (Bongo and I) are pondering solutons. A Forum thread will of course be opportune once it rolls out…

I do wish there were some means — email, even?… — of keeping you abreast of things in a more "light-hearted" manner than Forum discussions or even talk page messages, which generally have a pointed and particular purpose… You would not need to worry about where our heads have been at, and I could speak at greater lengths about floated ideas without thereby committing to them (albeit as proposals), as an admin kind of does in a public discussion. Have you given any further thought to such avenues? Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 21:11, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Argh. I know you're trying to hint at something but alas it's going over my head. A Najawin can be found in the comments…?… But so what? YouTube doesn't have a private-messages setting, does it?…
Asking to be spared, as it were, is an obvious thought, yes. Again, a thought whose implications I wish we could discuss somewhere else. In my experience, once one possess one Google account/email, I don't think a phone number is required to create an alt. account with no public link to the first, which comes with its own email; can't you attempt that?
(Besides, my gmail address is no great secret — it's the obvious aristide.twain thing — so if you're willing to trust that I would not disclose whatever email address you emailed me from to anyone else, you could email me first. It is obviously not a step I can ask you to take in any way that could possibly come across as pressuring you; just laying it out. I do at least hope that you would trust me that much by now, as far as not disclosing it further goes, such that it would be down to whether you're alright with me specifically having that email. But, again, totally fine if you're not, wouldn't take it personally) Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 21:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Well, best wishes with that, but is all rather time-sensitive… Have you considered registering an account on the Faction Paradox Forum? Could talk there in Forum-style DMs. No phone numbers or real names or any such thing necessary. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 22:20, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Well I'm sorry to hear that… Gah, but this is tricky business. I do want to note that I'd picked the FP Forum precisely because it's so low-activity that it scarcely feels like "social media" — but I do see how the subject matter might worry you, and of course we may hope, the present business aside, that it might get livelier in the foreseeable future… Well, how about this — I've gone and made a Forum. There's nothing in it and there never will be. If you make an account there, we could DM there. That could work? Maybe? There are things I'd like to bounce off you! Wiki-related and not, even.
To get back to the matter at hand, the thing is that my current feeling — as far as I'll get into on here — is that as presented this would be such a trainwreck on Tardis as to be a non-starter, and I have to believe Fandom would roll it back within a week once this became apparent. I don't know that I'd wholly trust them to take concerns seriously if e.g. answers on The Doctor fail to abide by T:NPOV or the like; but auto-generating at least three answers based on every one-sentence page, every real-world author page that's just a list of credits, etc.… that would doubtless clutter their servers with aimless gibberish to a degree that they cannot possibly think is in their best interests. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 23:39, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Well, here goes nothing…. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 00:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Phooey. Fixed now. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 00:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Re: Quick Answers[[edit source]]

Yes, I've been following it, and I don't love it. The review period they're introducing is a positive change in the right direction, and I do believe that something like this could be beneficial, but I am distrustful of the use of AI and I don't like that every page will have to have at least 3 answers. There is no point to, say, cheeseburger having a Quick Answers module. We currently have 108,069 pages on this wiki. That's 324,207 individual answers to have to review and potentially edit. Lets asssume it takes 10 second to review an answer (which I'm pretty confident in saying is an underestimate). That's 3,242,070 seconds, or over 37 days, of just reviewing and editing Quick Answers, and that's just for the pages we already have: this number will continue to increase without bound as the wiki grows. That's time I'd much rather spend working on actual articles. The AI-generated answers are also probably going to violate T:NPOV and probably T:IU a ton, meaning we'll either have to carve out an exception (sacrificing consistency in our style), or edit most of the answers (making 10 seconds a definite underestimate). Bongo50 ☎ 17:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

QuickAnswers query[[edit source]]

Hey! I saw you had some concerns re QuickAnswers and Tardis and I just wanted to address these, and if you had any questions etc.

In terms of your concern of questions appearing on every page, as the blog states, we're working with wikis to work out what a feasible amount looks like. Larger wikis would have more candidates for QAs as their content is often more built out, but the idea isn't to overwhelm you all. We're working with wikis on this, hence the extensive testing.

Re the quality of the questions and answers, you say they're "fundamentally broken". To begin with, sure, there were a lot of issues and I don't think anyone is disputing that. But since then, the process for generating QAs has been overhauled and tested and I'd hold fire on assuming they're broken until you view the final product. I'm around on Tardis if you have any issues with QAs on rollout, and you know my talk page and Discord are always open of course.

Happy to take any questions/concerns on this! --Spongebob456 talk <staff/> 10:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I know you've had long conversations with Lostris on this so I won't go over the same ground other than to say you have valid concerns for sure. Specifically for Tardis, I get you're saying as Doctor Who has complex lore. The same applies to wikis like Wookieepedia too with the Canon/Legends timeline, not to mention the multiverses in comic books (and ever increasingly in films but I digress!). Staff are aware of this and we need to be patient to see what the quality of the QAs will be.
If they aren't any good, QAs on select pages are easily editable or deleted and we can work out a plan with the community and Fandom staff. An example of this is on the 4 testing communities we rolled QAs out to, they pushed back on the number they had to review. The result was Fandom increased vetting time to a month and halved the number of QAs to review to help with community concerns. You raised an issue re user rights and how feasible it is for admins to cover all the questions too - hopefully this answers that we will work out a plan for this.
I will keep the wiki updated on QA developments and have spoken to the admins about setting a forum thread to post these updates which I will make when the next updates come in. Please do keep keep queries coming in the meantime on my talk page though! --Spongebob456 talk <staff/> 12:54, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Text Cursor[[edit source]]

I did have that same, or at least a very similar, issue a few years ago. Right pain. But unfortunately I don't know how to fix it, as IIRC Fandom eventually patched it themselves.

14:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Communication[[edit source]]

Ahoy — I thought I should let you know that for reasons which elude me, Twitch is now refusing to let me send you any more text messages unless I confirm a phone number, even though I can still see yours. (In answer to the last, OS12th has now joined us, though he does not expect to be very active in the immediate future. Revan will certainly not resume sustained activity, but still intends to try and migrate for the principle of the thing.) --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 00:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Marked as Bot[[edit source]]

Hi Najawin, I saw that you put a bot marker on my page, but I think I've been mislabelled as I'm not a bot and just a guy making Wanted Categories. Hope this can be reversed soon :) Gingerfool ☎ 08:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Re: Wrongly Marked as Bot[[edit source]]

I think it's also because I setup an automated filter to block page creations (except for trusted users and sysops) and this caught their edits. However, the spam attack seemed to have stopped before I got this setup so I've disabled it. Bongo50 ☎ 08:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Re: Spam[[edit source]]

I've deleted all of their pages and blocked all of the suspicious accounts. I'm going to try and set up some filters to catch and prevent these edits. Bongo50 ☎ 09:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Scratch that. I don't think the edits have enough defining features to catch them with a filter. Bongo50 ☎ 09:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Re: Just to help[[edit source]]

Good grief that thread was a pain to follow, but thanks for pointing me to it. I've read T:HOMEWORLD like a dozen times and still for some reason didn't make that link as I've been ruminating on this, 'tis a big help, ta - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 23:57, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Also very useful, thanks! - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 01:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Regarding T:BOUND[[edit source]]

Heya, so on Talk:The World's End you said we shouldn't make the edit because the forum thread is ongoing, "per T:BOUND". Sorry if I'm missing something here, but why would editing something to be more in line with current policy while that policy is being discussed be against T:BOUND? "... while a discussion is ongoing about how to change a particular rule, you are bound by the rule as it currently exists" suggests the opposite to me. Cheers, - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 20:26, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Admittedly, I'm a bit confused here. That section, and the thread that enshrined it, if I understand correctly, is referring to current practice also being policy, even if it isn't written down. Are you implying that "leaving pages alone insofar as policy is concerned while said policy is being discussed for change" is current practice? If that's the case, cool (though in that case I might bring that to the Forums to be actually written down, because that precedent in itself is confusing with the summary I cited). If not, could I bother you to elaborate? Thanks for the help - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 22:13, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
I see. Thanks, really, that's been a great help - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 22:38, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Space Babies[[edit source]]

You've got me curious now, what are your thoughts on Space Babies?

23:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Pardon my jumping in — I didn't much care for the episode either, but I confess myself baffled as to how one could possibly interpret it as anti-abortion. The pro-choice parable seemed, if anything, ham-fisted (though intentionally so, I'm sure, that's just how Davies rolls, so that's not necessarily a criticism). "There's a law against switching off baby-making machines, but no structure to support the 'surplus' babies"… it seems pretty clear-cut? The law is clearly singled out as stupid in itself, so I don't think there's much of a reading to be had whereby the law is good but the government is culpable for not having the safety net afterwards. It's very much pitched as "you people passed that self-evidently stupid law, and then you don't even do anything to mitigate the damage? for shame". I've thought about it from several angles and I really just don't see what reading you and your friends seem to be onto. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 00:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
I don't see what "save the Bogeyman same as the others" has to do with it. I guess the basic "every life is valuable" can be read uncharitably, but that still seems strained to me; it's not as though the Doctor asserts that the machine should be kept on, after all. It's just the difference between being pro-choice and being pro-A Modest Proposal. Maybe slightly clumsy but, with due respect to your friends, this seems tenuous enough relative to the earlier, much more explicit metaphor that I would certainly not describe it as worse than the ever-discourse-stirring Kill the Moon. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 01:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
I did have the same take-away as Scrooge here did, but I almost get the impression that it's pro-choice, but, if in the situation where that choice is denied, then the children should be cared for. I do feel it likely wasn’t an intended theme of the episode though, it didn't feel like something RTD consciously wanted to write the story around.
It was, otherwise, certainly purile but it'd be amiss for me to say that I didn’t love the performances of Gatwa and Gibson and how they really bounced off the environment. Ruby's disgust was downright palpable. 01:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Well, for what it's worth, I rather thought the idea was that the Bogeyman wasn't a villain at all — just an innocent six-year-old being who just so happened to have been designed to look instinctively scary. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 02:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Mh?[[edit source]]

Did I what to whom now? I'm quite lost. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 03:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh yes! Well, I can't say the rewatch of DCtT which prompted this round of edits had nothing to do with the stream… But it's not as though the Houses aren't always gnawing at my brain in my natural state, and I have other reasons besides. I wasn't consciously thinking of sticking that page on the next Wheel or anything. Although, now you come to mention it… --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 03:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Re:not on Twitter[[edit source]]

(Are you and LegoK9 the same person?) Anyway, I'm aware of Nitter, but I thought they closed down? WaltK ☎ 21:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Re. FP forums[[edit source]]

It happens that I have moderator status on the FP forums, so I've attempted to do a cleanup. I am hoping — fingers crossed — I didn't muck anything up, as that's the first time I've deleted posts and banned a user...

02:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Re: Boulevard[[edit source]]

Unfortunately not! I've fallen off a bit with the more recent FP releases. TheChampionOfTime ☎ 14:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Re: Signature Template[[edit source]]

Hi Najawin, you mentioned making my Signature a template so that it doesn't take up loads of space, but it doesn't seem to work how ones like Epsilon's do, even though there doesn't seem to be any differences between the signature code, it still transfers the whole mediawiki code of mine into the page when signed. Is there anything I can change in the preferences to change this? I've tried linking to the User:Gingerfool/Sig page using {{}}, and it automatically adds SUSBT: to it, but is there anything else I can try? -Gingerfool Talk Page 14:10, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Re: Quantum[[edit source]]

You really will be much happier once you accept that the Observer Effect and the observer effect are different things altogether… --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 12:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Muppets: creatures? puppets?[[edit source]]

Actually, my understanding is that, in most accounts, "the Muppets" is in fact simply the name of Kermit's acting troupe, and they are, diegetically, genuine talking animals. (Or talking humans in some cases.) Of course, various media have shown them displaying awareness that they are puppets to one extent or another, but that's more of a fourth-wall joke (e.g. Kermit remarking that he isn't sure who this Jim Henson fellow is, "but I've heard that he's got his hand in a lot of things around here. Not sure what that means"). The idea of 'Muppets' as living beings of felt and cardboard, knowingly coexisting with flesh-and-blood humans, in the mould of Roger Rabbit's ink-and-paint 'Toons', is more of an online meme/fandom confabulation. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 23:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

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