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==Regeneration==
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"After the conclusion of the Time War, of which the Doctor was the sole survivor, the Eighth Doctor regenerated for an eighth time. His ninth incarnation travelled to Earth, where he rescued a young human woman, Rose Tyler, from several Autons and confronted the Nestene Consciousness that was controlling them."
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I don't think this statement is particually accurate. We don't know for sure when the Doctor regenerated, it could have, in various likelihoods, been before, during, or after the time wars. Now the most commonly accepted theory is during, and that's noted in the beginning of the article, but this praragraph is still inacurate. I suggest changing it so that it simply states that by the time he met Rose Tyler, he had regenerated. It's simple, and as close at we can get for now. I'm happy for any 'born in battle' quote to be in the italic text before it. Or we could even have a small section lower on the page about it to refer to, which we could use for both 8th/9th Doctor pages. [[User:Taccer 07|Taccer 07]] 18:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
== Nine not a Time War Combatant? ==


:you can always just go ahead and edit yourself. as you said, though, yes, these statements take a particular theory of the editor's and state them as fact. --[[User:Stardizzy2|Stardizzy2]] 18:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reason as to why the Ninth Doctor cannot be categorized as "Combatants in the Last Great Time War"? He led the Battle of the Game Station, which is described by both the Bad Wolf and Tenth Doctor as the "final act of the Time War". Discounting Day of the Doctor (both the episode and novel) which states all the Doctors were present, I still think Nine is eligible to be classified due to the events of The Parting of the Ways being considered by his future self as a Time War event. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this issue; I've tried adding the category before and it's been reversed so I am just slightly confused. Thanks!--[[User:Dr. Derek|Dr. Derek]] [[User talk:Dr. Derek|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:36, May 21, 2018 (UTC)


:The doctor can't have regenerated immediately before meeting Rose. In DW:Rose, Rose meets a conspiracy nut (Clive) who tracks the Doctor, and he has a number of pictures of the Ninth Doctor in earlier times (1800s something, 1912 Titanic, Kennedy assassination), but Rose appears in none of the pictures/sketches. This implies that either the Doctor strategically and consistently shoved Rose out of the way of any cameras while not avoiding them himself, or that there was a pre-Rose period for the Ninth Doctor. -- Zach [[Special:Contributions/71.171.100.250|71.171.100.250]] 15:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
== Leitmotif missing ==


Inaccurate, inaccurate, I have gathered enough knowledge to know that McGann was supposed to have absorbed the Time Vortex to save Destrii and destroy The Cybermen but ultimately die due to the deconstruction of his cellular structure and the death of all his cells like The Parting of the Ways and have the Ninth fight the Time War and get away without a scratch. It did'nt come to fruition and due to lots of evidence, The Ninth Doctor's first words being "They're all gone I'm the only one left" returning to where all began, 76 Totters Lane in the tattered remains of his predecessor in a raggedy Doctor sort of fashion I reckon, that he used The Moment possibly The Hand of Omega, The Statue of Nemesis, The Key to Time, a De-Mat gun or something like that to destroy both sides, obliterating them in the blink of an eye in one mighty inferno. The TARDIS was supposed to protect him but the explosion or what-ever he caused tore through the doors and barbequed him causing him to regenerate as-well as the TARDIS thus killing the Gothic-esque console room introduced in the TV movie and giving birth to the coral desktop theme of Eccleston, Tennant and very briefly, Smith. So yeah it would also explain why the TARDIS was not as old and bulky as it was in the classic series and the TV Movie. So yeah I reckon The Eighth Doctor (Paul McGann) burned with The Time Lords and the Daleks at the end of the Time War. The Ninth Doctor had a hell of a lot of adventures before he met Rose, a hell of a lot, the flat scene was just a teaser, which was contradicted later which shows how stupid T. Davies is, NOT having McGann pop up say hey i was hurt in battle regenerate have the post-regenerative trauma get over it meet rose, etc. Stupid little nerd. I like Moffat much better. (FROM ANOYMOUS TIP)
The Ninth Doctor's leitmotif is missing, as the SoundCloud link provided is invalid. Could someone please fix this? Thanks.--[[User:Natejb2003|Natejb2003]] [[User talk:Natejb2003|(talk)]] 22:27, November 24, 2018 (UTC)
: Just a note in case nobody's realised this, this is ''still'' an [[Problem|issue]]. Surely someone knows how to fix it, [[Wikipedia:SoundCloud|SoundCloud]] embeds aren't my speciality. [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:30, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


"I'd agree with the above. The Eigth Doctor was involved in the Time War. The cause of his regeneration. That the Ninth Doctor had those other adventures that Clive tracked him done to. That the bit with the ears scenario is either
== Sexuality ==
Has Ninth ever shown any signs of being non-heterosexual? The only thing I can think of is being kissed by Jack. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 20:27, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
:I assume that, more than the kiss itself, whoever added the cat (I didn't check) was thinking of this exchange in [[TV]]: ''[[Boom Town (TV story)|Boom Town]]'':
{{quote|'''JACK:''' (''about Mickey and Rose hugging'')<br> Aw, sweet, look at these two. How come I never get any of that?<br>'''DOCTOR:''' Buy me a drink first.<br>'''JACK:''' You're such hard work.<br>'''DOCTOR:''' But worth it.|''[[Boom Town (TV story)|Boom Town]]''}}
:Which, yeah. Isn't ''impossible'' to construe as just a joke similar to what you'll find with the Eleventh Doctor in ''[[Closing Time (TV story)|Closing Time]]''. You can headcanon your way around it if you ''want''.  


1) A throw away line, when you're at some new girl's place. Looking around, finding out what's what in the world of what. Spies a mirror and have a brief joke with yourself about the way you look. Just because previous Doctors did comment on their facial features after a regeneration, doesn't mean this incarnation had to.
:But the ''direct'' reading is clearly that this is genuine same-sex flirting. It's anyone's guess whether the Doctor would genuinely be open to dating Jack if Jack did indeed "buy him a drink", but the "worth it" clearly indicates that it's within the realm of possibility.  


2) A previous adventure had thrown him an amnesia curve ball. He's piecing together who he is and suddenly sees his face. When your running around the cosmos, you don't always stop and stare in the mirror, remember the Eleventh's reaction to Prisoner Zero's copy of him....
:So I don't think the category is unjustified. Of course, if signiciant sentiment surfaces on this talk page that it's too ambiguous, we ''can'' remove it. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:34, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
::: Okay, sure. I didn't even think of that because it's such a common joke. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 20:42, October 8, 2020 (UTC)


If none of those, then those adventures took place between the two occassions that he met Rose. Very akin to The Eighth Doctor and Sam Jones in the The Eight Doctors novel. - The Spaceman; 13:15 13th October 2010 (GMT)
::::I was initially reluctant to add that category for the very reason you outlined. I do believe it would serve us well to have discussions concerning who actually fits in the category and who doesn't. The Eleventh Doctor is also a head-scratcher; outside that ''Closing Time'' scene, he also outright kisses Rory in ''[[Dinosaurs on a Spaceship (TV story)|Dinosaurs on a Spaceship]]'', which may or may not have been just a comical OTT display of gratitude. [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:39, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
If we're discussing Eleven as well, though it's not definitive proof, there are statements that show Smith intends for Eleven to be asexual. (Which would make him non-heterosexual as well, but the kissing isn't the reason.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:48, October 8, 2020 (UTC)


I found a fan-made video of the 8th-9th regenaration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wag0mMDpEo&feature=related. gvsz, 14:17, 23,10,10.
::::That may have been Smith's interpretation, but the fact Eleven is very strongly implied to have an active sex life with River Song tells me the writers didn't agree. [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:01, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
Asexual people can have a sex life. This is one of the common misconceptions. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:08, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
:: Yeah — "asexual" doesn't ''necessarily'' mean someone will ''never'' engage in sexual activities, merely that they have no, or little, personal desire to do so. It is not uncommon for asexual or demisexual individuals to engage in sexual activities for the sake of partner with whom they are in a romantic relationship.  


==Half-Human==
:: This merely means that if we ''had'' one account saying "the Eleventh Doctor is asexual", that wouldn't necessarily ''conflict'' with [[TV]]: ''[[The Impossible Astronaut (TV story)|The Impossible Astronaut]]''. But of course, we do not, as far as I know. So it's immaterial.


The Ninth Doctor is half human?--[[User:GingerM|GingerM]] 15:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
:: At any rate, we ''should'' have discussions like this one in "contentious" cases. That's what talk pages are for — and it was always my intention when I closed the Categories thread to allow for individual discussion of the handful of contentious cases. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:09, October 8, 2020 (UTC)


I'd be inclined to say no.
== Ninth Doctor voice actor section update? ==
It's obviously a carry over from the Eighth Doctor.
Given Eccleston has now portrayed the role of the Ninth Doctor in 2 full-cast Big Finish audio releases (with many more on the way), would it be fair if [[Nicholas Briggs]] can now be moved from "Main voice actor" down to "Other voice actors"? [[User:BritShadow|BritShadowGG]] 19:23, September 13, 2021 (UTC)
But it's never stated on screen that specifically the 9th Doctor is half human.
So unless anyone can cite a source stating that the 9th Doctor is half human...
I don't think it's enough to say that just because the 8th (may have been) it doesn't mean the 9th is, after all with the Time War plus regeneration anything could have been removed.
--[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 17:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


It's a problem which fans have argued about - if the Eighth Doctor was half-Human, were the rest? So until a solution is found, people will continue arguing. Personally, I believe that if one was half-Human then the rest should be too, and if the Eighth Doctor had only recently regenerated, how would he already know if he was half-Human if the rest weren't, but I'm not an expert on Gallifreyan regeneration, so... {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 17:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
: Briggs and Ecceseton are still tied at 6 credits each. I was gonna wait until ''Lost Warriors'' was released as a tie breaker, but you can feel free to change it if you feel like it. BananaClownMan 19:38, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


:a topic this general probably belongs on the forums, but I would just put down half-human for the Eighth and for the rest, no half-human. to me it looks odd and incongruous (for me, anyway) to see Tom Baker or Hartnell described as partly human.
== John Hurt? ==


:''[[Unnatural History]]'', I think, claimed that the Doctor had a mermaid, for a mother, if you can believe that, but I guess it addressed the whole half-human thing. though I haven't actually read it. (a popular fan theory also says that when he turned human in ''[[Human Nature (novel)|Human Nature]]'', some of the human DNA stayed with him, but the book came out before the TV movie. --[[User:***Stardizzy***|***Stardizzy***]] 17:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
The [[War Doctor]]'s regeneration in ''[[The Day of the Doctor (TV story)|The Day of the Doctor]]'' cuts away just as we begin to see his face change into that of the Ninth Doctor. Would this mean that, for a split-second, [[John Hurt]] played the Ninth Doctor? [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:33, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
: Nah. No more than [[Peter Capaldi]] played the [[Thirteenth Doctor]] by dint of the shot of his eyes morphing into hers. Intermediate forms mid-regeneration are just that. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 18:36, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
:: Ahh, but I'd argue that there's a difference there: at least with Capaldi/Whittaker, the moment involved the active participation of both actors - that fade in shot was clearly achieved by taking a recording of Capaldi and having it fade into a separate recording of Whittaker in the same position. [[Christopher Eccleston]] had no involvement with the War Doctor's regeneration; that is clearly just Ecclestone's face superimposed onto John Hurt's head. [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:06, 15 April 2023 (UTC)


::Although I suppose calling the Fourth and Tenth Doctors half-Human (and possibly some of the others, I've only seen the last two epidodes of ''Spearhead from Space'' and all the episodes of ''The Ark in Space'' of the original series) might explain their very high... well, like, I suppose, of Humanity. Plus, there's nothing wrong with the idea of a novel predicting an episode, as episodes have predicted real life events - ''An Unearthly Child'' predicted the decimalisation of British currency, and ''Pyramids of Mars'' predicted pyramids on Mars long before the Viking orbiter photographed Cydonia. However, this really has nothing to do with whether the Ninth Doctor was half-Human, and I agree that this discussion is probably best for the forum. {{:User:Ghelæ/sig|2 = the Weird}} 17:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
== New infobox image ==


The half-humanness would explain why he is so obsessed with Earth. :P
As with other image discussions, I feel this article's infobox image is due an update to align with current image policy. The current image is closely cropped to his face, and I think the Dalek in the background might be a bit distracting.


*Topic created [[Forum:The Doctor's Species|here]].--[[User:GingerM|GingerM]] 18:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Here are some possible alternative proposals:
<gallery>
NineDalekConfrontation.jpg|Current
NinthDoctorEotW.jpg|#1
NinthDoctorFathersDay.jpg|#2
NinthDoctorDalek.jpg|#3
NinthDoctorDalek2.jpg|#4
NinthDoctorBoomTown.jpg|#5
NinthDoctorFathersDay2.jpg|#6
NinthDoctorPotWEmperor.jpg|#7
</gallery>
Feel free to add any more proposals to this gallery, I figured I may as well get the ball rolling. [[User:BlueSupergiant|BlueSupergiant]] [[User talk:BlueSupergiant|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


==Alias==
: While I do like the current image as it themeatically fits series one, five and six, out of the current options, are the best IMO (and six is a little better than five, if it comes to it). {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 15:52, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
In the episodes [[The Empty Child]] and [[The Doctor Dances]], Rose gives the Doctor a name, and that is "Spock", or "Mr Spock" in one scene. Is this an alias that should be mentioned in the article and in the right-box? [[User:Pjotr'k|Peter R]] 20:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC) (who has just seen these episodes on swedish television, that is now sending "season 27")


:It could be, but it seems more jokey (then again, similar aliases are on [[Mickey Smith]]'s page). If you think it should be added, then you may add it. {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 14:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:: I know what you mean, and I do kind of agree. It can be tricky trying to get a decent image that also offers a thematic juxtaposition like the current one. I've added one more which might also fit thematically without being too distracting. [[User:BlueSupergiant|BlueSupergiant]] [[User talk:BlueSupergiant|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


::: Five, six, seven, three, in that order, is probably my preference. [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  16:13, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


==Regeneration & Continuity==
:::: I'm personally just opposed to any image where he's smiling. [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:03, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
I still wonder how the Ninth Doctor could have been surprised about his appearance in [[DW]]: [[Rose]], although he obviously was at last 3 times on Earth before that in the same body.
I don't think that he went on these trips during the few seconds between his first and second invitation of Rose to be his companion, because he just doesn't appeaer as if he had some adventures in the meantime.
He could have went to the Titanic etc. after he vanished with the Tardis for the first time during "Rose", right after he blew up the shop where the Autons attacked Rose. It might not be likely, because he obviously still had unfinished business because of them on Earth and in this time, but the Tardis might just have stopped at a few wrong times and places till he found the right time and spot again.
I dare say the photos were not taken during the time he travelled with Rose, and not just because it would be great coinsidence that she wasn't shown on any of them. The photos just wouldn't already be there like, because it would happen later in the Doctors own timeline.
So, what about the simple possibility that he just hadn't looked into a mirror since he regenerated into his ninth form? Ok, there is a big mirror in the Tardis' wardrobe, but perhaps the Doctor didn't care much about it - or it was broken at that time. He might have been dragged from one adventure to the next, and might even just have picked up the Ninth-clothes just before he met Rose for the first time - after all he was clothed according to the respecting time when those pictures were taken, was he not?


:A possibility that has since been edited out and now is being returned is that Clive's pictures of the 9th Doctor during the scene from Rose's POV where the Doctor describes what the TARDIS is capable of. He tells Rose that the TARDIS travels in Space, enters and dematerializes. Momemts later (again, from Rose's POV) he rematerializes and steps out and finishes his sentence to her..."and Time". (Off camera, Rose could have even mentioned the events she had been shown that the 9th Doctor knew he hadn't experienced yet, so he saw to those events did take place.)
::::: He's much more playful and cheerful than most give him credit for, you know. [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] 18:04, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
:The photos could be present in Clive's collection, despite occuring in the Doctor's future, there's no problem with that (and even if he did see the pictures it would only be a minor pre-destination paradox).
:The problem (well one of them) is that while the Doctor is some what surprised, there isn't any further evidence to suggest the proposals you've suggested, so while they are theoretically possible, they're not esablishable with continuity references.
:Equally the pictures could have been taken during his time with Rose, just because she is not in the pictures does not suggest that she is not present, like wise the aformentioned adventures could have taken place while Rose was with the Doctor, but not on those particular adventures (the Doctor could have dropped her somewhere, then gone off and had a bunch of adventures and then returned, months from his POV and only minutes later from Rose's POV), indeed this has happened before with [[Samantha Jones]] ([[EDA]]: ''[[Vampire Science]]''), so it isn't outside the realms of possibility.  
:But unless it is actually stated in a Book, TV or comic strip story its only supposition and therefore can't be entered into the page. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 13:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
::''unless it is actually stated in a Book, TV or comic strip story its [sic] only supposition and therefore can't be entered into the page''. exactly. though no harm in mentioning that onscreen evidence ''implies'' something and noting how it does. --[[User:Stardizzy2|Stardizzy2]] 20:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


::Someone added speculation about regeneration , and its a link to a story called [[Museum Peace]] could someone verfiy that, it was an IP edit as well [[User:Bigshowbower|Bigshowbower]] 10:02, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::: While Nine can be playful, his character arc was overcoming the trauma of the Time War, so a more serious image does suit the infobox better. Which is why I like no. six, especially as he is illuminated by natural lighting, which is superior than the artificial lighting as many of the pics look more shadowy and washed out/hazy. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 18:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
:: I concur with User:Epsilon the Eternal, the infobox image should reflect him being one of the more serious Doctors, and my Votes go to #2 and #6.[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:24, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


== The Ninth Doctor's Regeneration ==
::: Image #6 would get my vote. × [[User:Fractal|Fractal]] [[User talk:Fractal|<span title="Talk">•</span>]] 10:09, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


"The Doctor knew that that rose would burn up if she kepped that so he then re-absorbed the energies into himself. Fine after but soon as when they went back to the TARDIS and left Jack, while they were in TARDIS The Doctor wasn't making any sence which was commented by Rose he could see on his hand that the regenration prosess was starting and he told Rose that hes changing soon after he got a pain from his stomach cause of the energy he absorbed then with his last words ''you were fantastic, and you know what so was i'' and then he regerates to the Tenth Doctor. (DW: ''The Parting of the Ways'')."
== My ideal costumes ==
The 9th Doctor looks good with the peacoat and the jumper. But he looks smarter with the outfit he wore in the Titanic one.
Here's ideal costumes I thopught of:


This pains me. Unfortunately, even though I have an account and am logged in, I am still not allowed to edit the page. I'm not sure why that is, since the page bears the "semi-protected" banner, but since it's the case, I beg anyone with the ability to edit the page to fix this. Here's one way it could be improved:
1. A safari jacket, a Stetson, a moleskin waistcoat, a paisley-scarf, a pinstripe shirt, and gaiters when on Africa, Asia, South America, Florida and Australia during Edwardian times.


"Aware that it would be the only way to save Rose, the Doctor absorbed the energies of the Time Vortex into himself, freeing her. Although he initially seemed unharmed, he confessed to Rose shortly thereafter that he was dying and would be forced to regenerate into a new form. His last words prior to his regeneration into the Tenth Doctor were, "Rose, before I go I just wanna tell you — you were fantastic...absolutely fantastic...and d'you know what? So was I!"
2. An outfit as the Titanic one only with a paisley waistcoat and a tartan scarf. And gaiters.


It's not perfect, but at least it's spelled correctly. [[User:DagnyAdan|DagnyAdan]] 03:24, January 14, 2010 (UTC)DagnyAdan
3. A dark teal jumper.


== Companions ==
4. Knight armour during an adventure in the Middle Ages. {{Unsigned-anon|2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:31F5:AE28:52A7:6D95}}


Under new companions this article states "Those who have assisted him in his travels but not travelled with him in the TARDIS include Rose's on-and-off boyfriend Mickey Smith (DW: ''Rose'' onward)" but Mickey does travel with the Doctor in the TARDIS in ''The Girl in the Fireplace'' and ''Rise of the Cybermen''
:Please read [[T:DISCUSS]]. This isn't the place for this. - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  17:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


He travelled with the tenth Doctor. This is the Ninth Doctor's page.Icecreamdif 01:49, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
== Ideal Episode ==
I got this ideal episode. A many Doctor one.
 
1. Sarah J's pals be involved. And some companions. And they're in a dream world.
 
2. The Doctors they meet include the war one. And they presume the 10th one was after him. And be shock by the 9th.
 
3. A strange figure similar to the Dream Lord pops up. And keeps mocking and criticising the 9th Doctor. Such as his fashion sense, such as pointing out trenchcoats and waistcoats be smarter than peacoats and jumpers. And praise the War Doctor to be better. One example be the 9th Doctor gets a chill, and the guy points out the War Doctor was wise to wear a scarf. And he mocks the 9th Doctor for dumping the War Doctor's practical gaiters when things get in his shoes. And also points out the ears and saying how the War Doctor's beard was smarter. And scolding him for eating meat meaning he broke his vow of vegetarianism forged in his 6th life... and point out the War Doctor kept it. And call him a coward while the war one was braver. And also for being naiver in falling for lies whren the War Doctor sees through them.
 
4. The strange figure can ask whether the 9th Doctor is the Doctor, pointing out many including the Reborn Master and Missy pretend to be the Doctor. And use the 9th Doctor's sins such as how he keeps calling humans stupid apes, how he tried to murder Cassandra, how he sacrifice Gwyneth to Gelth, how he try to murder the Metaltron Dalek, how he dumped Adam for one error when the War Doctor gives second chances, how he betray Rose thus nearly helping the Dalek Emperor, and more.
 
5. One scene be similar to the 'Leave them alone' involving the Dream Lord. But the figure wears a safari outfit when they're in a jungle; complete with a pith helmet, a moleskin waistcoat, a safari jacket, a bandolier, a paisley-scarf, and leather gaiters. And instead of suggeting they go udner the van, he asks if they feel the primal urge to fight and nod to Ace's cheetah phase. And the War Doctor reacts with leave them alone, to which the figure calls him a worthy alpha and copies the 'leave them alone' before belittling the 9th Doctor saying 'leave them be'. ANd go on suggesting the 9th Doctor is an imposter.
 
6. One point someone attacks the 9th Doctor; saying how the War Doctor is the Doctor and accuse him of being the Master.
 
7. The Fifteenth or Thirteenth Doctor can reveal the truth. And Rose can point lies.
 
8. The figure can be reveal to be the Valeyard and reveal to'd been spawn from the 9th Doctor's darkness.
 
9. The 9th Doctor can go guilty on him being a monster until Rose and the War Doctor snap him out. {{Unsigned-anon|2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:31F5:AE28:52A7:6D95}}
 
:Please read [[T:DISCUSS]]. This isn't the place for this. - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  17:46, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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Nine not a Time War Combatant?[[edit source]]

Is there a reason as to why the Ninth Doctor cannot be categorized as "Combatants in the Last Great Time War"? He led the Battle of the Game Station, which is described by both the Bad Wolf and Tenth Doctor as the "final act of the Time War". Discounting Day of the Doctor (both the episode and novel) which states all the Doctors were present, I still think Nine is eligible to be classified due to the events of The Parting of the Ways being considered by his future self as a Time War event. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this issue; I've tried adding the category before and it's been reversed so I am just slightly confused. Thanks!--Dr. Derek ☎ 16:36, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

Leitmotif missing[[edit source]]

The Ninth Doctor's leitmotif is missing, as the SoundCloud link provided is invalid. Could someone please fix this? Thanks.--Natejb2003 (talk) 22:27, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

Just a note in case nobody's realised this, this is still an issue. Surely someone knows how to fix it, SoundCloud embeds aren't my speciality. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 12:30, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Sexuality[[edit source]]

Has Ninth ever shown any signs of being non-heterosexual? The only thing I can think of is being kissed by Jack. -- Saxon (✉️) 20:27, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

I assume that, more than the kiss itself, whoever added the cat (I didn't check) was thinking of this exchange in TV: Boom Town:

JACK: (about Mickey and Rose hugging)
Aw, sweet, look at these two. How come I never get any of that?
DOCTOR: Buy me a drink first.
JACK: You're such hard work.
DOCTOR: But worth it.'Boom Town

Which, yeah. Isn't impossible to construe as just a joke similar to what you'll find with the Eleventh Doctor in Closing Time. You can headcanon your way around it if you want.
But the direct reading is clearly that this is genuine same-sex flirting. It's anyone's guess whether the Doctor would genuinely be open to dating Jack if Jack did indeed "buy him a drink", but the "worth it" clearly indicates that it's within the realm of possibility.
So I don't think the category is unjustified. Of course, if signiciant sentiment surfaces on this talk page that it's too ambiguous, we can remove it. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 20:34, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
Okay, sure. I didn't even think of that because it's such a common joke. -- Saxon (✉️) 20:42, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
I was initially reluctant to add that category for the very reason you outlined. I do believe it would serve us well to have discussions concerning who actually fits in the category and who doesn't. The Eleventh Doctor is also a head-scratcher; outside that Closing Time scene, he also outright kisses Rory in Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, which may or may not have been just a comical OTT display of gratitude. WaltK ☎ 21:39, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

If we're discussing Eleven as well, though it's not definitive proof, there are statements that show Smith intends for Eleven to be asexual. (Which would make him non-heterosexual as well, but the kissing isn't the reason.) Najawin ☎ 21:48, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

That may have been Smith's interpretation, but the fact Eleven is very strongly implied to have an active sex life with River Song tells me the writers didn't agree. WaltK ☎ 22:01, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

Asexual people can have a sex life. This is one of the common misconceptions. Najawin ☎ 22:08, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah — "asexual" doesn't necessarily mean someone will never engage in sexual activities, merely that they have no, or little, personal desire to do so. It is not uncommon for asexual or demisexual individuals to engage in sexual activities for the sake of partner with whom they are in a romantic relationship.
This merely means that if we had one account saying "the Eleventh Doctor is asexual", that wouldn't necessarily conflict with TV: The Impossible Astronaut. But of course, we do not, as far as I know. So it's immaterial.
At any rate, we should have discussions like this one in "contentious" cases. That's what talk pages are for — and it was always my intention when I closed the Categories thread to allow for individual discussion of the handful of contentious cases. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 22:09, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

Ninth Doctor voice actor section update?[[edit source]]

Given Eccleston has now portrayed the role of the Ninth Doctor in 2 full-cast Big Finish audio releases (with many more on the way), would it be fair if Nicholas Briggs can now be moved from "Main voice actor" down to "Other voice actors"? BritShadowGG 19:23, September 13, 2021 (UTC)

Briggs and Ecceseton are still tied at 6 credits each. I was gonna wait until Lost Warriors was released as a tie breaker, but you can feel free to change it if you feel like it. BananaClownMan 19:38, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

John Hurt?[[edit source]]

The War Doctor's regeneration in The Day of the Doctor cuts away just as we begin to see his face change into that of the Ninth Doctor. Would this mean that, for a split-second, John Hurt played the Ninth Doctor? WaltK ☎ 18:33, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Nah. No more than Peter Capaldi played the Thirteenth Doctor by dint of the shot of his eyes morphing into hers. Intermediate forms mid-regeneration are just that. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 18:36, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Ahh, but I'd argue that there's a difference there: at least with Capaldi/Whittaker, the moment involved the active participation of both actors - that fade in shot was clearly achieved by taking a recording of Capaldi and having it fade into a separate recording of Whittaker in the same position. Christopher Eccleston had no involvement with the War Doctor's regeneration; that is clearly just Ecclestone's face superimposed onto John Hurt's head. WaltK ☎ 17:06, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

New infobox image[[edit source]]

As with other image discussions, I feel this article's infobox image is due an update to align with current image policy. The current image is closely cropped to his face, and I think the Dalek in the background might be a bit distracting.

Here are some possible alternative proposals:

  • Current

    Current

  • #1
    1. 1
  • #2
    1. 2
  • #3
    1. 3
  • #4
    1. 4
  • #5
    1. 5
  • #6
    1. 6
  • #7
    1. 7

Feel free to add any more proposals to this gallery, I figured I may as well get the ball rolling. BlueSupergiant ☎ 15:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

While I do like the current image as it themeatically fits series one, five and six, out of the current options, are the best IMO (and six is a little better than five, if it comes to it). 15:52, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
I know what you mean, and I do kind of agree. It can be tricky trying to get a decent image that also offers a thematic juxtaposition like the current one. I've added one more which might also fit thematically without being too distracting. BlueSupergiant ☎ 16:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Five, six, seven, three, in that order, is probably my preference. Aquanafrahudy 📢 16:13, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm personally just opposed to any image where he's smiling. WaltK ☎ 18:03, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
He's much more playful and cheerful than most give him credit for, you know. Aquanafrahudy 📢 18:04, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
While Nine can be playful, his character arc was overcoming the trauma of the Time War, so a more serious image does suit the infobox better. Which is why I like no. six, especially as he is illuminated by natural lighting, which is superior than the artificial lighting as many of the pics look more shadowy and washed out/hazy. 18:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
I concur with User:Epsilon the Eternal, the infobox image should reflect him being one of the more serious Doctors, and my Votes go to #2 and #6.BananaClownMan ☎ 07:24, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Image #6 would get my vote. × Fractal • 10:09, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

My ideal costumes[[edit source]]

The 9th Doctor looks good with the peacoat and the jumper. But he looks smarter with the outfit he wore in the Titanic one. Here's ideal costumes I thopught of:

1. A safari jacket, a Stetson, a moleskin waistcoat, a paisley-scarf, a pinstripe shirt, and gaiters when on Africa, Asia, South America, Florida and Australia during Edwardian times.

2. An outfit as the Titanic one only with a paisley waistcoat and a tartan scarf. And gaiters.

3. A dark teal jumper.

4. Knight armour during an adventure in the Middle Ages. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:31F5:AE28:52A7:6D95 (talk).

Please read T:DISCUSS. This isn't the place for this. - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 17:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Ideal Episode[[edit source]]

I got this ideal episode. A many Doctor one.

1. Sarah J's pals be involved. And some companions. And they're in a dream world.

2. The Doctors they meet include the war one. And they presume the 10th one was after him. And be shock by the 9th.

3. A strange figure similar to the Dream Lord pops up. And keeps mocking and criticising the 9th Doctor. Such as his fashion sense, such as pointing out trenchcoats and waistcoats be smarter than peacoats and jumpers. And praise the War Doctor to be better. One example be the 9th Doctor gets a chill, and the guy points out the War Doctor was wise to wear a scarf. And he mocks the 9th Doctor for dumping the War Doctor's practical gaiters when things get in his shoes. And also points out the ears and saying how the War Doctor's beard was smarter. And scolding him for eating meat meaning he broke his vow of vegetarianism forged in his 6th life... and point out the War Doctor kept it. And call him a coward while the war one was braver. And also for being naiver in falling for lies whren the War Doctor sees through them.

4. The strange figure can ask whether the 9th Doctor is the Doctor, pointing out many including the Reborn Master and Missy pretend to be the Doctor. And use the 9th Doctor's sins such as how he keeps calling humans stupid apes, how he tried to murder Cassandra, how he sacrifice Gwyneth to Gelth, how he try to murder the Metaltron Dalek, how he dumped Adam for one error when the War Doctor gives second chances, how he betray Rose thus nearly helping the Dalek Emperor, and more.

5. One scene be similar to the 'Leave them alone' involving the Dream Lord. But the figure wears a safari outfit when they're in a jungle; complete with a pith helmet, a moleskin waistcoat, a safari jacket, a bandolier, a paisley-scarf, and leather gaiters. And instead of suggeting they go udner the van, he asks if they feel the primal urge to fight and nod to Ace's cheetah phase. And the War Doctor reacts with leave them alone, to which the figure calls him a worthy alpha and copies the 'leave them alone' before belittling the 9th Doctor saying 'leave them be'. ANd go on suggesting the 9th Doctor is an imposter.

6. One point someone attacks the 9th Doctor; saying how the War Doctor is the Doctor and accuse him of being the Master.

7. The Fifteenth or Thirteenth Doctor can reveal the truth. And Rose can point lies.

8. The figure can be reveal to be the Valeyard and reveal to'd been spawn from the 9th Doctor's darkness.

9. The 9th Doctor can go guilty on him being a monster until Rose and the War Doctor snap him out. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:31F5:AE28:52A7:6D95 (talk).

Please read T:DISCUSS. This isn't the place for this. - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 17:46, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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