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== "Ears conspiracy" ==
Hi, sorry this reply took so long, been wrapped up in my university finals for the past few weeks. I have looked further into what I like to call the "Ears conspiracy"; When the Doctor first looks in Rosa's mirror, he does more than comment on his ears. He full on says it "could have been worse", alluding to a recent regeneration that he hasn't seen the end result from. And, in ''The Beast of Babylon'', he only starts talking about Rose when telling Ali about his trip to Earth from ''Rose'', and when saying Ali has traits similar to her. Granted, he brings the whole thing up at random after showing the planet to her, so perhaps it's still a recent thing for him. But, he still talks about "when [he] met Rose, [he]'d only just regenerated", "still finding [his] feet", with a mindset of "new body, new start, new companion".


== Wikipedia plots ==
To be honest, I was kind'a hoping to not find anything when I was looking into this; I like the theory and solution you and I came up with together. But, facts like these can't be ignored, otherwise we'd be divulging into the taboo that is speculation and theorising by selecting what print we choose to follow.


Please do not copy wikipedia plots, especially without giving credit. And there is no need to add a link to the page on the page, this just makes the link bold and serves no purposes. Thank-you. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 12:44, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
Also, while I'm here, you recently moved ''The Bleeding Heart'' to before ''The Oncoming Storm''. Does the Doctor act the same as he does in ''The Oncoming Storm'', or is he using his blue sonic screwdriver in ''The Oncoming Storm''? Sorry to be a pain about it, but I don't have the funds to listen to ''The Churchill Years'' or ''Ninth Doctor Chronicles'' and have to get my infomsation ftom second hand sources to update the [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Theory:Timeline_-_Ninth_Doctor timeline theory page]. Perhaps I could interest you into editing it with me, since you clearly know more about the Ninth Doctor's Big Finish adventures than I do at the moment.


i didnt add the plot, just fixed the crazy box error [[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revanvolatrelundar]] 12:48, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
Hope you have a nice day,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:45, April 3, 2018 (UTC)


:In defence of Revanvolatrelundar it was an IP editor who added the plot from Wikipedia, not Revanvolatrelundar, Revanvolatrelundar just happened to be the next user to edit the article. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 12:50, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
I haven't found any ''Vortex'' or forums in Google search, but have made a note of it with a source tag anyway. I did find that free audio you mentioned, thank you for that. Will give it a listen when I have the time.[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:39, April 3, 2018 (UTC)
:Sorry, my mistake. I just saw that he made a large edit and assumed it was him. You have no idea how much of an ass I feel now. Sorry again. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 17:15, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


Good evening, I recently made an edit to the Personal Attacks article, and you reverted it. However, I find this quite offensive because I have a pretty valid point here and you were reverting it for no obvious reason, racism, homophobia, sexism ect, are not the only kinds of discrimination and another common discrimination is that towards those with physical or mental disabilities, people like that have had to endure stereotypes, remarks and ignorance for many years , even centuries and I find people being ignorant of that to be highly offensive.
It would seem the novelisation of ''The Day of the Doctor'' has brought an end to our debate. According to [[User:NateBumber]], the freshly regenerated Ninth Doctor smashed all the TARDIS mirrors due to a vow he took to never find out what face he was wearing, apparently to atone for killing the children of Gallifrey. With this knowledge, we now know why he said "could have been worse" when accidently looking at Rose's mirror; he's emotionally recovered enough to not be bothered about catching an accidental glimpse, and analyse his features. I think you're right about the "ears complex"; he's probably felt them enough to dislike them, and getting a good look at them did not changed his opinion.[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:46, April 5, 2018 (UTC)




You know, the novelisation of ''Rose'' might just of given us a rare moment in debating that scarcely happens; the chance for both parties to be right.
I believed that ''Rose'' happened early due to the Ninth Doctor's comments about how it "could have been worse" when looking in a mirror, and authorial intend behind the line.
You believed that ''Rose'' happened later due to, and I quote, "The Beast of Babylon [framing] all its story around [the ending of] Rose".
In the novelization, it is mentioned that there was a twelve week gap between these two incidences, which does not seem to contradict the television story and making it valid by the wiki's rules. If my math is right, that leaves 84 days maximum unaccounted for.


Even in my own school discrimination towards those with disabilities was ignored, and until I made a complaint, our school planners did'nt feature anything on disability abuse, which they do now, thanks to me. I suggest that this Wiki recognises other forms of discrimination such as anti-disability, transphobia ect as I find it highly ignorant and offensive, as it implies other forms of discrimination are irrelevant, unrecognised and unimportant. I'm deeply offended.
I propose that at the tail end of his "early days", he meets Rose at Hendrik's, gets the Auton arm and then leaves, believing his work done. After his twelve weeks of "solitary exploits" (that can include the anthology short stories and cameo appearances), he returns to London again for whatever reason, properly the TARDIS bringing him to "where [he] needed to be" I guess.


What do you think?
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:26, April 20, 2018 (UTC)


== "Whoisdoctorwho.co.uk" question ==
How come the information from [[Whoisdoctorwho.co.uk]] is in the behinds the scenes section of pages with the out-of-universe information, but the page and all related pages are categorized as in-universe information?


Thanks
If its a lack of citation needed on the main sections, why not use ([[WC]]: ''[[Defending the Earth!|Who is Doctor Who]]'')?
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:50, April 8, 2018 (UTC)


== Renaming The War ==
Hey there Revan! Seeing as you're (to my knowledge) the most FP-familiar admin, I was just wondering if you'd be willing to take a gander at my suggestion to rename [[The War]] to [[War in Heaven]], based on the arguments presented at [[Talk:The War]] and [[The War#Naming]]. There's no rush at all, but I really do think it would help with disambiguation and a lot of other stuff. So let me know what you think! – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 21:08, July 17, 2018 (UTC)


== Reaching out ==
Hi! I bumped into an edit that falls into the area where we had disagreements before. For reasons I will explain shortly, I believe that this is just an echo of some old decisions. I would hate to bring this to the kind of attention and emotion that these debates usually get. Thus, I am reaching out in the hope, based on your earlier positions, that we can agree on how this should be treated. The edit in question is about the first appearance of the [[Thirteenth Doctor]]. Based on your seeming reluctance in the past to accept her first appearance to be in a mini-short story published by CJB, I hope that you would consider the current state equally inappropriate. Note that first appearances can be used by editors to determine copyright for characters. So having this particular story listed as her first appearance seems to give the copyright for her to [[Sue Hampton]].


[[User:ThePandoricaOpens666|ThePandoricaOpens666]] 18:52, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
Thing is, this novel was released back in August 2017, around the time of the mini-short. A lot of time passed since then. There were the "fireworks" around the Christmas special (a grandfather dilemma, if you will). And then the two copyright-wielding sides found a compromise. (Or at least that's how it looks to me. At the very least they stopped lobbing public cease-and-desist messages.) Given these later developments, I really would not want to rekindle the state of affairs the way it was in August 2017. This is a genuine dispute that exists objectively beyond the wiki. And a truce within and without the wiki is as good as it gets for now. Thus, I am contacting you before taking any action. I would appreciate it if you could let me know your position on what should be the first appearance of the Thirteenth Doctor. If we can agree on that, we can try to find the least invasive change that would not disturb the truce. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:14, September 9, 2018 (UTC)


Fair enough, thanks. [[User:ThePandoricaOpens666|ThePandoricaOpens666]] 18:55, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
: Great! That makes three of us agreeing on the edit, already implemented by [[User:TheChampionOfTime|TheChampionOfTime]]. Additionally, he clarified that August 2017 was just a pre-release, so no rules need to be broken. Unbeknownst to me, the regular release of this book was in January, after the Christmas special. And discounting pre-releases is a standard practice. For instance, pre-screenings of episodes have been discounted multiple times.


: It also turned out to be a good opportunity to compare our views and learn that they are in agreement as far as the big picture is concerned. I completely agree that CJB is part of DWU. I even agree, as a fan, that it is nice to see nods to (or cameos of) various Doctors/companions. It is the towing of some reasonable line that I have been struggling with. Since I do not have a satisfactory regular solution, lately I generally try not to edit CJB (modulo renaming edits). But cases like this must be resolved in one way or another. And while I certainly did not expect any edit wars, I was worried that, were I to perform the same edit done by TheChampionOfTime (CoT), it could be viewed as not sufficiently impartial by editors who hold CJB dear to their hearts. Thus, my original plan was to ask whether you agree and, if yes, to ask ''you'' to make the change to avoid any suspicions of one-sidedness. I believe that CoT's edit and your stated position achieve this goal. So I am quite happy with the result. I am even happier that there was no need to make an exception or invent some artificial rule in order to achieve this result.


==AudioVisuals==
: Thanks for weighing in on this. And happy editing! [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:15, September 10, 2018 (UTC)
The AV stories ''aren't'' canon, they're fan audios. There was a discussion relating to this on the [[Talk:The Doctor (Party Animals)]] page.


The BBV stories were made by a production company (you can't really call it "fan made" using the definition it was made by fans of the programme, if you used that definition then the BBC Wales series is fan made because likely more than half the production team are fans). --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:13, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
== Kahning blast from the past ==
Hi, it's been 7 years since [[Special:Diff/1131954|this edit]], but now it is very important, all of a sudden. Do you, by any chance, remember the origins of this spelling? Was "Kahn" based on any written source or purely phonetic? Thank you in advance for your time. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:52, January 30, 2019 (UTC)


== Delete template ==
: Thanks for confirming. It is exactly as I expected. I just wanted to make sure I did not miss some source in my search. The reason I was asking (as I'm sure you have guessed) is that with everything we've learned recently, "Khan" seems to be a spelling more in tune with ''[[Fallout (audio story)|Fallout]]''{{'}}s Yasmin's Punjabi roots, which are explicitly mentioned in the story. I did some quick digging at {{w|Khan (surname)}}, {{w|Kahn}} and {{w|Kan (surname)}}, and only one seems to be consistent with the character's provenance. Not really the conclusion I would have preferred myself, but here we are... I guess I'll go and put a rename tag then. Don't think it's clear enough for a speedy rename. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:16, January 30, 2019 (UTC)


Hey, Revan :)  Thanks for being vigilant on articles that need to be deleted. :)  One thing, though.  I notice you've, on more than one occasion, tried to put the delete template ''within'' a category, doing something like this:<pre>[[category:{{delete|reason}}]]</pre>This is undesirable for at least two reasons.  First, it buries the delete tag at the end of the article, when it should be the thing at the very top of the article.  Second, it "breaks" the category code, leaving messy stray characters at the bottom of the article. 
== Re: A Farewell ==
Well, thank you so much! You have no idea how much this means to me. And as you noticed, I also must thank you for partially inspiring the story by making me think deeper about the Weapon/Moment!


In future, all you need do is put<pre>{{delete|reason}}</pre>at the very top of the article — before ''anything'' else on the page. The code in the template will take care of the rest, including putting the page in the [[:category:proposed deletions|proposed deletions]] category.
As for your question: well first, let me note that ''I'' didn't add info about the Greater Key to those pages. Our fellow FP fan [[User:TheChampionOfTime]] picked up on that and did it without my input (which I greatly, greatly appreciate). I've been doing my best to avoid adding anything to the wiki based on my own stories - not because I don't want to, but because I'm afraid I'd be violating some rule in the process. (I seem to recall Cody Schell was banned for something similar during the original thread about Señor 105, but that's since been deleted, so I'm not quite sure.)


Thanks :) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}
But in any case, that's been the main thing stopping me from putting anything relevant on the pages for [[the War King]] and [[the Magistrate]]. I'm glad you spotted that nod to their shared identity, which I certainly intended to be an further confirmation of something that's been hinted at since their first appearances. So I agree with you that the connection should definitely be mentioned on both pages, even if I won't be the one to put it there!


== Howling Halls Vote ==
[Edit: A mention on both pages *at the very least*, that is. I definitely think a merge wouldn't be out-of-order at all.]


The recent discussion on the Howling Halls have forced a vote. May I ask you to place yours? [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] 19:35, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you again for such a kind review! – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|]] 00:14, February 26, 2019 (UTC)


==Admin request==
== Obverse expertise sought ==
Hey, here's [[Tardis:Questions and guide to requests for adminship]] to have a look through. The questions I'm most interested in from you is what which articles showcase your creative skills and which article/s are you most proud of?


The other questions on the page you can consider, but don't necessarily need to address specifically. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 15:26, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I was wondering if you might have access to ''[[Iris Wildthyme of Mars (anthology)|Iris Wildthyme of Mars]]'' and, if so, whether you could help simultaneously uphold our wiki's policies and show that we as a community value the efforts authors put into entertaining us by fleshing out a page of a story. An [[Special:Diff/2684267|author pleaded with admin to help her do that]]. I would have done it myself, but do not have this particular anthology. Sorry for bothering you otherwise. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:50, March 6, 2019 (UTC)


:Just a few notes and questions.
== Image policy ==
I'm trying to get an image policy finalized, and would like to invite you to discuss it on [[Thread:247941]].


:When replying to talk or forum comments remember to indent using the colon ":", I noticed in the recent Speculation topic and replying on my talk page just added straight below, it makes following discussions somewhat difficult.
Sincerely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:27, March 21, 2019 (UTC)


:I can't find any issues with your recent edits, so, I just wanted to ask, is the misuse of apostrophes and spelling in some talk replies down to the quick responses that have been typed out quickly…?
== Wiki Manager ==
:It's not a large issue, as I said your recent edits all appear good, it's just, when replying to users and interacting on the forums, especially (in an admin role) if you'd ever need to address user's use of grammar and spelling. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:03, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


::I understand that with regards to article pages article conflicts happen and some reworking is necessary. But on talk pages or forum pages there shouldn't be a rush. This is my only concern when when typing out responses quickly or otherwise and being able to identify issues with pages easily. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:41, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
Hi Revanvolatrelundar! My name is Playsonic2 and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager assigned to TARDIS Data Core. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff.


:::It's just...it's the small things you sometimes need to notice.
I also happen to be an administrator at the Spanish Doctor Who Wiki, which has me spending considerable amount of time here (adding interlanguage links mostly). I know this wiki wonderfully organised and that [[user:CzechOut|CzechOut]] assists with any technical issues, but if there is anything I could assist with, I would be pleased to help. I will be available on my talk page! ~[[User:Playsonic2|Playsonic2]] 09:05, May 20, 2019 (UTC)
:::I may be noticing the little things, but it is sometimes the little things that are noticeable as an admin.
:::I'd just like to highlight where the issues are because I think your active wiki contributions are good, but it's your talk contributions that sway me slightly away from making you an admin right at this moment. I'm not criticising for criticism's sake I just need to be sure.
:::Your recent reply to me didn't quite assure me; "It certainly wasn't my intention to use bad spelling on talk pages and all i can do is assure you that it wont happen again." Lower case I and no apostrophe on "won't". As I said it may seem like I'm nitpicking, but it is the little things that make being an admin an admin. In your original message there's a few misused apostrophes. I know it doesn't seem like much, but as I recently went through the years articles removing the apostrophe from 1960s it, and it does pay to recognise the usage differences.  
:::If you could, could you give me links to a few more pages that you've created from near scratch preferably with large chunks of text so that I can assess your writing style further, thanks. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:19, February 3, 2011 (UTC)


== Discussion in Forums ==
:Hi! I’m here to share the news that Fandom has an official Discord server now. Feel free to check [[w:User blog:MisterWoodhouse/The Official Discord Server for Fandom and Gamepedia Editors|this blog post from Community Central]], which includes more details and, of course, the server invite link. Editors from many different communities and staff members are there chatting already - you (and other editors!) are invited to join as well. [[User:Playsonic2|Playsonic2]] [[User talk:Playsonic2|<span title="Talk">☎</span>]] 07:46, July 11, 2019 (UTC)


Could I ask you to leave your thoughts on the discussion on speculation in forum [[Forum:Speculation - What is and was isn't?|here?]]. Thanks. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] 21:27, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
== Block request ==


== Pasting ==
Hi. Could I ask you to take some action on the user Zanda21. This user engaged in an edit war, ignored Shambala, Borisashton and me, and made personal attacks. Shambala does not block people anymore, apparently, so I would request you to take some action. If you don't mind. :) --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:19, August 11, 2019 (UTC)
 
:Hi, you can ignore this request, I've blocked the user for violating [[Tardis:No personal attacks]]. Thanks [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:26, August 11, 2019 (UTC)
Just a quick note. When you are pasting text, make sure it is correct. Otherwise it requires a larger clear up. Thanks--[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 19:37, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 
Oh, I see. Sorry for the mistake.--[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 19:54, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
==Headings==
Yep, it's a snap to manipulate headings. Thing is, though, it's a part of the overall style that I'm trying to achieve. And I'd kinda like to get general approval and implement an overall page design at once, rather than asking opinions from the community on every single bit.   You can head over to [[w:c:tardistest:Headline Test]] or [[w:c:tardistest:Peter]] and tell me what you think of the headlines over there, though.  Since your eye is particularly drawn to headlines, your opinion could really help a lot.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}
 
== Past question ==
 
Do you think I need to submit that comic preview question to the forums? It nether really came to a conclusion.--[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 16:30, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
 
Done!--[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 16:37, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
==Italic titles==
Not sure what you're saying.  I just put it on that page and didn't encounter any issues.  Could you be a little more specific, please?  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}
:Hmmm, I think you're misunderstanding the use of the template.  It ''should'' be at the very top of the article.  It changes the page title (in code terms, <nowiki><h1>, or WikiaPageHeader</nowiki>).  It's nothing to do with the highlighted title at the start of the article.  Hence:
<pre>
{{title|''Book of Whatever''}}
{{infobox infoboxname
}}The '''''Book of Whatever''''' was . . .</pre>
{{user:CzechOut/Sig}}
::Sorry, sorry — I re-read what you said, and it's clear you understood all of what I just said, above.  I apologize; I've got like six windows fully going right now to make this change in a lot of categories at once.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}
 
==Admin request: Granted==
Your user rights have been changed to admin! Feel free to ask me or the other admins any questions you may have concerning anything. You can also add your user name to [[Tardis:Administrators]], this page is fully protected meaning only admins can edit it. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 15:08, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


== Re: ==
== Re: ==


No one else was willing to go to the TP, I note...--[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:blue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 22:07, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate your clarification. It is always preferable to talk and understand each other's positions even when there are strong disagreements on them. To return the courtesy, let me expand on my explanation in the thread. The reason the stories were deleted was a combination of [[T:NOT]] and [[T:OFF REL]]. Since the book with these stories was (and still is) only in preparation, there was no reason to keep the pages. I am now aware that we have a fundamental disagreement on what is considered an official release. However, I was not aware of it while performing the deletion, again for the simple reason that there had been no community discussion before the creation of the pages. In particular, I do not equate a publication of a story by author A on the official website of the BBC (like ''[[Christmas Special (WEB short story)|Christmas Special]]'') with a blog post by author A on the website of author A. Therefore, I did not see any precedents for considering these stories released.


...and I don't get what you mean. Me edits were supposed to be alone, and people go to the TP to discuss reverting it, or I leave the original alone, and people go the TP to discuss adding it? Either way, nobody else was willing to go to the TP. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:blue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 22:12, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
Let me use this opportunity to clarify the question of my alleged bias against the author and/or his stories. My opposition is purely procedural. If these stories are posted by [[Obverse Books]] on ''their'' website, I change my vote to inclusion on the condition that the release date is the date of the publication on the Obverse website. There is no reason for me to care about three more FP stories. As explained in the thread, it is the manner of the publication that troubles me. After a hiatus, I am planning to continue explaining there why.


== Featured ==
Finally, I would ask you to reread my post that you took to be "asserting" your bias. If you do that, you will see that no such assertion was made. I stated that it was not publicly known at the time whether you had any relationship to the books being discussed. It is standard practice in legal proceedings, in journalism, in scientific reviewing and on {{w|Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest|Wikipedia}} to clearly and voluntarily announce existing and clarify suspected conflicts of interests. I thank you for responding by explaining that you are not in any way related to the stories. I accepted this explanation and was completely satisfied by it. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:58, September 3, 2019 (UTC)


Is there anything you want to submit as a featured article nomination? I seem to be the only one who does so its a bit one sided. I think "[[War King]]" is a definite winner. Thanks--[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 09:55, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
== Re: thread closings ==


==Guide for new admins==
Hi, yeah, I sometimes have that trouble too. That's why most of my closings just have the message "See final post", because if the message is too long, it just won't post. Just one of the many things wrong with those message boards. Too bad we can't go back to the old forum posts - easier to post and easier to find. Thanks [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:55, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
I've created a guide: [[Tardis:Guide for new administrators]] it includes a few things I've learnt along the way and some useful information which you may already know or find out as you work your way around as an admin. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:04, February 5, 2011 (UTC)


==IPs and blocking==
== The War Romance ==
When presented with the block page (you can take a look by selecting anyone to block, nothing happens until you hit the "block this user" button on the page) one of the check boxes which is already ticked states "Automatically block the last IP address used by this user, and any subsequent IP addresses they try to edit from".


So in the situation present the user would need to be on a different IP from which they haven't logged in from on that blocked user name (I think). Hope this explains somewhat. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:53, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for moving Paperman to The War Romance. At the time that I noticed the page name, I was on my phone on a bus, so wasn't sure of the protocol, or how to put in the request formally, but I knew Amorkuz had previously given some advice when I had tried moving a page before, so thought I'd ask them for help raising it. Usually I'd check the correct protocol on my laptop these days to report it.


==Why remove my edit?==
Have a good spook month.
Any particular reason why you deleted my edit on [[The Master]] just now? It's usually considered good form to explain your reasoning unless it's clear vandalism. I know I accidentally edited without being logged in. Have IPs been banned from editing? [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 13:56, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


== Graceless ==
[[User:ThomasRWade|ThomasRWade]] [[User talk:ThomasRWade|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:08, October 2, 2019 (UTC)


Is ''Graceless'' actually in the DWU?  If it really, firmly is — and not just as a consequence of marketing blurbs on the cover — then I guess we could go with [[GRC]].  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}
:So you've ''actually'' heard it?  And they explain, in narrative, how come one of the characters is Abby, not Amy? {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}


== Real world ==
I read the first LS book in 2017, then met a few of the authors that summer when they were doing a mini event thing in Cardiff. Started reading the series more around February 2018, and have been reading The Laughing Gnome series this past month (been getting them delivered as they released since A Very Private Haunting). I just thought I'd do my best to help out on those pages because they are fairly niche titles within the community for various reasons. I finally got The HAVOC Files 4 today from ebay, so have managed to confirm something I had thought was wrong with that anthology's page too. Just glad to have a great community here that's so helpful at ensuringthings are accurate (another series's wiki I once contributed to was nowhere near as community friendly).


Do not remove the real world tag from pages.--[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 14:07, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks again for the kind words.


Check out any TV story. They are all real world. Also, story pages are written from a real world perspective so that tag stays. :)--[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 14:10, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
[[User:ThomasRWade|ThomasRWade]] [[User talk:ThomasRWade|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:34, October 2, 2019 (UTC)
:I saw your discussion on Skittles' page about this and thought I'd jump in, since I was the one putting them on story pages through the bot. You said there you only found them on CC pages, but I'm guessing you just noticed it at a time when the bot hadn't made further progress. They should be on just about every story page by now. It's been long established that story pages are written from the real world perspective. This was, for example, the main argument behind moving discontinuity sections to the Howling. They haven't traditionally had real world tags because it was assumed the real world tag couldn't be placed atop the infobox. That coding limitation has now been overcome, so the tag is now going on '''everything''' that's got a RW perspective. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}
{{please see|Is using "First Doctor", "Second Doctor" etc in-universe?}} {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}
==Why do users hate you?==
I have found users such as [[User:Revanvolatrelundar Fucking Wanker|Revanvolatrelundar Fucking Wanker]] and [[User:I Hope Revanvolatrelundar Dies|I Hope Revanvolatrelundar Dies]], and (as their usernames suggest), they hate you. Why is this? [[Special:Contributions/90.215.45.50|90.215.45.50]] 13:45, February 18, 2011 (UTC)


== Thank You concerning Abby ==
== Request ==


Thank you very much for editing Abby from Grcaeless. That was my first contributiona so i didn't really know what i was doing. You see i have downloaded Graceless and know the stories but don't know how update Abby and Zara [[User:Michiru 14|Michiru 14]] 01:52, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
I hate to do this, I know it's annoying, but I was wondering if you could take a look at giving a final consensus at [[Thread:212365]]? We've had it open for years and I just feel like it's done and is just waiting for that stamp of approval, but no one's invested enough to get around to it. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 21:40, November 21, 2019 (UTC)


Ok will do [[User:Michiru 14|Michiru 14]] 01:52, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
== New Howling post ==
Could you please check my latest post at [[Howling:The Howling]]? I have an important question about the future of Doctor Who that I'd like to know how to handle. I won't just go ahead and create the page. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:06, November 22, 2019 (UTC)


== Pictures ==
== Re: ==
 
If a picture which is not related to the Doctor Who universe is put into the talk page. Does it have a right to be there or not? Please tell me as a certain hog is beginning to annoy me. Thank you. (;,;) [[User:Son of Icthar|Son of Icthar]] 18:08, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
The picture was on the Vashta Nerada talk page. I was wondering if it would be alright to put it there or not. I put there as a refrence anyway. Please tell me what I should do. I would also like to say that it was only there for people to decide wether or not it should be written about as a refrence. The picture will not have been shown on the page itself, and you can also see that there are some similiarites between it and the Vashta Nerada 'puppets' in the Silence of the Libary/ Forest of the Dead episode. I would like your verdict before I write about it, and I repeat the picture will not be shown. Thank you anyway. (;,;) [[User:Son of Icthar|Son of Icthar]] 21:02, February 23, 2011 (UTC)[[File:Halo_Reach_helmet_haunted.jpg|thumb|The picture in question.]]
 
==Finisterman==
I did notice when the similar user name turned up, but was kinda hoping the user had returned to add useful edits to the wiki. I've had a look through their contributions and have blocked it looks to be the same person them for 6 months (Finister2 was blocked for 3 months). As for IP addresses when you block you get this check option: "Automatically block the last IP address used by this user, and any subsequent IP addresses they try to edit from". So in theory that and any other blocks put in place should stall the user some what. Thanks. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:13, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
 
==JAL==
Seeing as your pretty much the [[Jago and Litefoot]]'s only editor, I thought you might like to know I changed the prefix from BFJL to [[JAL]]. It simpler and shorter. I don't know why people thought it had it had to have Big Finish in it. We don't have BBCDW. ----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 08:28, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
==Source==
 
 
Apologies, that was a clear oversight on my part, thanks for sorting it. [[User:Skteosk|Skteosk]] 22:19, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
==Slade==
I'm a bit dubious over the source for [[Slade]]. Is the group actually named in this story ([[ST]]: ''[[Not in My Back Yard]]''). Thanks----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 17:51, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
 
Thanks for that. E-books are snazzy. Just add the extra source if its there. Thanks again.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 18:32, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
 
ok, thanks. il try and try to do it in my spare time. [[User:Sclera1|Sclera1]] 02:50, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
 
==Curse of Fatal Death==
Please point me to this "community decision" that makes Curse of Fatal Death — probably the very definition of non-canonical — suddenly canonical.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''16:54:26 Fri&nbsp;'''11 Mar 2011&nbsp;</span>
:I'm really curious how the community could have been convinced to turn one ''fragment of a sentence'' — "a listless-looking man sat on a sofa beside a girl in a red dress in an unconvincing medieval dungeon" — into an avenue by which ''Curse'' is at all canonical.  That's pretty damned vague to me, especially since the text (on page 18) never makes clear that ''any'' of those people described ''are'' the Doctor.  And because at least one of the men described seems an awful lot like the First Doctor — "a kindly-faced old gentleman in an astrakhan hat pottered in a junkyard, chuckling.  Far as I'm concerned, the inclusion of this stronger reference to what appears to be he Hartnell Doctor throws the paragraph open to broader interpretation.  This could be a list of past or future Doctors, and the "girl in a red dress in an unconvincing medieval dungeon" could just as easily be Jo in ''[[The Curse of Peladon]]''. 
 
Another problem in believing that this is a reference to ''Curse'' is that '''none''' of the people in the paragraph are defined as being the Doctor.  They could just be people in the Doctor's future.  That helps explain how the First Doctor might be in this description.  The window is saying that the Eighth Doctor will again see his first self back in a junkyard — not that his future is to again ''be'' the First Doctor.
 
In fact, the ''only'' one of the people described who are definitively suggested to be the future Doctor is the last one:
 
::Then it solidified into one, final figure.  A wiry man with a gaunt, hawklike face, piercing, page grey-blue eyes and a thin, prominent nose.  His lips were set into an almost cruel, almost arrogant smile.  He had an air of determination, as though withholding a righteous fury.  As though facing down the most terrible monsters.
 
::Then he turned to the Doctor and his expression softened into a broad, welcoming grin, as if to say, "This is what you've got to look forward to."
 
Even that, though, doesn't definitively say this "wiry man" ''is'' the Doctor.  Merely that he's in the Doctor's future.  Nor does it necessarily describe the Eccleston Doctor.  That description could just as easily describe Matt Smith in a moment of fury, I think.
 
In other words, one ''possible'' interpretation of ''The Tomorrow Windows'' does not make ''The Curse of Fatal Death'' canonical. The best you can do with this information is to note it on ''The Tomorrow Windows'' page as something that some fans (such as those at the Discontinuity Guide) have noted as indicating ''Curse''.  But ''Windows'' contains no positive, unambiguous reference to, for example, Joanna Lumley, Hugh Grant, Jonathan Pryce, Jim Broadbnt or really any of the major elements of ''Curse''.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''17:29:21 Fri&nbsp;'''11 Mar 2011&nbsp;</span>
::Well, to respond directly to your latest post, obviously ''The Tomorrow Windows'' does not "directly refer" to ''The Curse of Fatal Death''.  And TD made a point-by-point response to my write-up of the canon policy and never mentioned this conversation you're alleging he agreed to.  COFD's canonical status is entirely unaffected by one sentence fragment in ''The Tomorrow Windows''. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''17:51:36 Fri&nbsp;'''11 Mar 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
:::Sorry, I only just now saw that you added more to [[User talk:CzechOut#Forum Page]], because when I actually went to my user page around the time you posted your additions, my eye was drawn to [[User talk:CzechOut#Real World|the next topic that was added by Skittles]].  I think what happened is that, when I read Skittles' comment, I saw above it that you had found the discussion, but since I had found it too, I didn't somehow see that you had added three more paragraphs above it.  In other words, because I was looking at my message page after four new messages had been attached to it, I only really registered the last two messages.
 
:::But I don't want to leave your points unanswered, so, better late than never, here's my response to what you left after 17:19 11 March:
 
:::I wasn't suggesting at all that you were making things up.  I had flatly (and, I had hoped, ''politely'') asked for you to point me in the direction of the discussion you were talking about.  I was indeed quite grateful that you had brought up a policy discussion of which I was unaware. I thought it was important to see the discussion, not because I was suggesting it didn't happen, but because I couldn't imagine by what leap of logic the community could have ''possibly'' been swayed to think COFD canonical.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''17:23:19 Mon&nbsp;'''14 Mar 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
 
{{please see|Is The Curse of Fatal Death canon?}} {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''20:06:18 Fri&nbsp;'''11 Mar 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
==Decalog 5==
Hey, I see that you're the one who added all the blank pages for the [[Decalog 5: Wonders]] short stories late last year.  I think maybe you've misunderstood what that volume is.  Judging from the fact that you put Benny down as a character in every story, I'm thinking that you've slightly misunderstood what that collection is about.  There's only one Benny story in the entire collection, so that's the only story that I've allowed to survive here.  The volume otherwise doesn't have anything to do with the DWU, and therefore shouldn't be covered here (or really at any of our sister wikis).  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''19:19:30 Wed&nbsp;'''16 Mar 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
{{Please see|Should novels & audio stories have a plot description?}} --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:38, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
==General font==
Hey, I noticed you left a comment on the main page talk page about the font being unreadable.  But that was 48 hours ago and so may not reflect the current realities.  Could you do me a favor and please clear your cache and then report on what you see?  I find it odd that you're experiencing this phenomenon, since Lucida Bright is one of the most legible fonts used in the English-speaking world.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''21:21:22 Wed&nbsp;'''23 Mar 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
{{please see|Aliens and enemies templates: the final battle}} {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''15:42:41 Tue&nbsp;'''29 Mar 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
== Ref Desk ==
 
Have you thought about protecting the [[Forum:Reference desk]] page? This page-blanking is frustrating, all of us, I think. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:blue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 20:37, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks. :) I owe you one. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:blue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 17:15, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Please leave me alone ==
 
 
----
Will you please stop stalking me over the wiki?  I would appreciate it.  Thank you.  [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/User:Whoisdrwho | Who is Dr. Who?] 14:01, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Infoboxes ==
 
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. How dow you make a NEW infobox though?
 
 
[[User:Ghastly9090|Ghastly9090]] 16:04, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Wikia time ==
 
In order to diagnose your problem definitively, I'd have to know what time zone you're in.  My suspicion, however, is that ''nothing'' can be done about things unless you're in the time zone of the Wikia server, or a time zone in North/South America that is a number of precise hours off of the Wikia servers' time, and that obeys DST.  Around the time time of the time zone changeover on the mainland of North America, European times tend to be "off".  That said, we're already thorough the time change in the UK, I think, so you should theoretically be in alignment again, provided you live in the UK.  If you live in a place where there is no DST at all you will be "off" Wikia time, and there's not much that can be done about it, as far as I know.  Since I live in such a locality, I'm sort of used to being "off" wikia time, TV network time, ''everyone'''s time, for half the year. If you've recently moved to a non-DST area, you may not yet be used to this "wrinkle" of geography.  Give me your time zone, though, and I'll be able to nail the problem down more definitively.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''16:38:38 Fri&nbsp;'''01 Apr 2011&nbsp;</span>
:Right, but British (or Greenwich) time is only the same thing as UTC in the winter.  Once British Summer Time comes in, BST = UTC+1, the mathematical expression for the phrase "to spring forward".  Signatures are ''always'' given in terms of UTC so that there's no confusion as to the time, regardless of where the person is.  For instance, my signature will now say 16:52 and change: {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''16:52:42 Fri&nbsp;'''01 Apr 2011&nbsp;</span>
::Which reminds me.  The real test of whether Wikia has your correct timezone isn't your signature. It's your contributions list or logs.  Check those to see what time you're displaying.  If you've got the correct time there, you don't need to change anything.  If however, the time is off a bit, you'll need to reset your time zone in your user preferences.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''16:58:40 Fri&nbsp;'''01 Apr 2011&nbsp;</span>
:::So wait a minute.  Your signature now correctly says that it's 1800-something? {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''17:03:50 Fri&nbsp;'''01 Apr 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
==Rassilon==
Thanks. Curse the small size of BF covers.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 10:46, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Bruce Master ==


Gotta disagree with you on ''[[The Eight Doctors]]''. I didn't see anything that distinctly identified this as the Bruce Master. Can you point me to a specific page/quote?  I'll grant you that it's maybe the morphant, but that's not the Bruce Master. The morphant is, according to this very story, the ''essence'' of the Master, not specifically the Bruce Master. As far as I can tell, nothing that looked like Eric Roberts appeared in ''The Eight Doctors''. It's highly misleading, I think, to suggest in the navigation box that the Eric Roberts Master is in this book. But, again, maybe you have a snippet from the book to hand that I've skipped over?  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''20:45:27 Sun&nbsp;'''10 Apr 2011&nbsp;</span>
Thank you for your message. I am sad that it had to come to this. But I appreciate you taking responsibility for your mistakes, intended or unintended. That deserves respect. I would have made the same decision in your place. I wish you good luck in your writing and publishing endeavours.  
:Exactly. Where in that quote is there ''any'' description of the Bruce Master? {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''21:22:25 Sun&nbsp;'''10 Apr 2011&nbsp;</span>
::I don't see your logic there.  The "Bruce Master" is specifically that Master which was created by the morphant taking over the ''body'' of Bruce.  The book gives no indication that this body survived being dumped into the Eye of Harmony.  


::And really, ''seriously'', forget the book. There's a, y'know '''''Bruce-shaped explosion''''' that happens when he's consumed by the Eye in the movie, roughly at the 1h17m mark. I don't think there is a way in the world that a person can watch the TVM and ''reasonably'' assert that Bruce's body survives.
Since I've been plunged into the same toxic environment as you for months, with multiple personal attacks against me, and with all other participants of the original decision to delete the stories (which was not even my suggestion) refusing to take the responsibility, I feel I can share some advice on how to stay sane while not actively editing on the wiki. The advice is offered sincerely and from personal experience, from one admin bruised in divisive inclusion debates to another. The obvious first step is to turn off the email notifications. But it might also be useful to unfollow all active forum threads. The reason for the latter is that, if you visit FANDOM under your login, even some other wiki, the counter of new forum messages will appear. It might be hard to resist looking, which was not helpful for me during my forced exile. With all notifications turned off, you are the master of which pages to visit (if any).  


::To my eye, what survives is the snake, the morphant.  It's already survived disintegration by the Daleks.  We can therefore believe that it survives the Eye. (Indeed, we '''must''' believe it survived the Eye, because of [[DWM]]: ''[[The Fallen]]''.)  But, again, what '''has not''' survived is the combination of the morphant + Bruce.  That's why I put the book in the "uncertain" category.  If the book gave a physical description that matched that of Eric Roberts, I'd say, "Sure, that's Bruce.".  But it doesn't.  Hence we cannot say '''with certainty''' that it's the Bruce Master, only that the story happens after the TVM.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''16:27:36 Mon&nbsp;'''11 Apr 2011&nbsp;</span>
I am also sad that my initial suggestion of what to do with these stories was rejected by the other admin. I proposed, among other things, to outline explicit rules about the conflict of interest and then begin the validity debate. Were the rules formulated explicitly, this situation could have been avoided.  
==DWU/OOU stub demarcation==
Yeah, I'd already thought of using the Seal of Rassilon.  Problem is that at very small widths, like the 25px I need for the stub templates, it's simply a black blob.  Might be able to do some of the Peter McInistry "Time Lord writing" though, as that uses thin-lines. Problem is there trying to find a clean transparent image to work with.  Which I've never found.  I've never even found it on a white background, or a fully single-color background that I could easily strip away.  But who knows, maybe a renewed look might turn something up.  Wookieepedia is definitely lucky in this regard.  Their image for real world is just a graphic of Earth.  Oh, if only 90% of ''Doctor Who'' didn't happen on the Earth . . .  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''21:07:20 Mon&nbsp;'''11 Apr 2011&nbsp;</span>
==Wildthyme charity stories canonical?==
No.  Clearly not.  The Doctor appears in at least one.  Susan in another.  Obviously, Obverse don't have the right to publish these characters.  That's why they're still listed as "charity stories" on the website.  That gives them a kind of "legal shield".  But for our purposes, they can't be considered as something we cover.  We need to be on guard against the Obverse website generally, as they publish fan works. Safer just to ignore the site altogether, and stick only to the material they're ''selling''. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''19:27:26 Tue&nbsp;'''12 Apr 2011&nbsp;</span>


== Re:Suggestion ==
Fare thee well. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:24, January 12, 2020 (UTC)


...That's the beginning of red tape and beauracracy. Nothing would ever really get done if we had to send it through a committee. On the other hand, if we have a committee to discuss reverting the change, then that forces the issue--makes it more noticeable. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:blue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 19:32, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
== Check on ==
Hello, User:Revanvolatrelundar. I just wanted to stop by and check how you were doing in these trying times of self-isolation?[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 09:53, April 16, 2020 (UTC)


== John Hart rumour ==
== Merry Christmas ==


If we don't get a reply from BC within the 48 hour, can you re add it to the page. I nearly breaching the editing war policy, so it's best if I stay away from it for a few days. Thanks. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 19:58, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
Hello, there. I just wanted to stop by and wish you the merriest of Christmases, and a Happy New Year. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 14:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
:Right...and now you're deliberately trying to work around the letter of the law; you're violating the spirit of the law. Can you not wait for a decision, instead of twisting the rules to trump me? --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:blue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 20:13, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

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"Ears conspiracy"[[edit source]]

Hi, sorry this reply took so long, been wrapped up in my university finals for the past few weeks. I have looked further into what I like to call the "Ears conspiracy"; When the Doctor first looks in Rosa's mirror, he does more than comment on his ears. He full on says it "could have been worse", alluding to a recent regeneration that he hasn't seen the end result from. And, in The Beast of Babylon, he only starts talking about Rose when telling Ali about his trip to Earth from Rose, and when saying Ali has traits similar to her. Granted, he brings the whole thing up at random after showing the planet to her, so perhaps it's still a recent thing for him. But, he still talks about "when [he] met Rose, [he]'d only just regenerated", "still finding [his] feet", with a mindset of "new body, new start, new companion".

To be honest, I was kind'a hoping to not find anything when I was looking into this; I like the theory and solution you and I came up with together. But, facts like these can't be ignored, otherwise we'd be divulging into the taboo that is speculation and theorising by selecting what print we choose to follow.

Also, while I'm here, you recently moved The Bleeding Heart to before The Oncoming Storm. Does the Doctor act the same as he does in The Oncoming Storm, or is he using his blue sonic screwdriver in The Oncoming Storm? Sorry to be a pain about it, but I don't have the funds to listen to The Churchill Years or Ninth Doctor Chronicles and have to get my infomsation ftom second hand sources to update the timeline theory page. Perhaps I could interest you into editing it with me, since you clearly know more about the Ninth Doctor's Big Finish adventures than I do at the moment.

Hope you have a nice day, BananaClownMan 00:45, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

I haven't found any Vortex or forums in Google search, but have made a note of it with a source tag anyway. I did find that free audio you mentioned, thank you for that. Will give it a listen when I have the time.BananaClownMan 19:39, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

It would seem the novelisation of The Day of the Doctor has brought an end to our debate. According to User:NateBumber, the freshly regenerated Ninth Doctor smashed all the TARDIS mirrors due to a vow he took to never find out what face he was wearing, apparently to atone for killing the children of Gallifrey. With this knowledge, we now know why he said "could have been worse" when accidently looking at Rose's mirror; he's emotionally recovered enough to not be bothered about catching an accidental glimpse, and analyse his features. I think you're right about the "ears complex"; he's probably felt them enough to dislike them, and getting a good look at them did not changed his opinion.BananaClownMan 20:46, April 5, 2018 (UTC)


You know, the novelisation of Rose might just of given us a rare moment in debating that scarcely happens; the chance for both parties to be right. I believed that Rose happened early due to the Ninth Doctor's comments about how it "could have been worse" when looking in a mirror, and authorial intend behind the line. You believed that Rose happened later due to, and I quote, "The Beast of Babylon [framing] all its story around [the ending of] Rose". In the novelization, it is mentioned that there was a twelve week gap between these two incidences, which does not seem to contradict the television story and making it valid by the wiki's rules. If my math is right, that leaves 84 days maximum unaccounted for.

I propose that at the tail end of his "early days", he meets Rose at Hendrik's, gets the Auton arm and then leaves, believing his work done. After his twelve weeks of "solitary exploits" (that can include the anthology short stories and cameo appearances), he returns to London again for whatever reason, properly the TARDIS bringing him to "where [he] needed to be" I guess.

What do you think? BananaClownMan 21:26, April 20, 2018 (UTC)

"Whoisdoctorwho.co.uk" question[[edit source]]

How come the information from Whoisdoctorwho.co.uk is in the behinds the scenes section of pages with the out-of-universe information, but the page and all related pages are categorized as in-universe information?

If its a lack of citation needed on the main sections, why not use (WC: Who is Doctor Who)? BananaClownMan 16:50, April 8, 2018 (UTC)

Renaming The War[[edit source]]

Hey there Revan! Seeing as you're (to my knowledge) the most FP-familiar admin, I was just wondering if you'd be willing to take a gander at my suggestion to rename The War to War in Heaven, based on the arguments presented at Talk:The War and The War#Naming. There's no rush at all, but I really do think it would help with disambiguation and a lot of other stuff. So let me know what you think! – N8 21:08, July 17, 2018 (UTC)

Reaching out[[edit source]]

Hi! I bumped into an edit that falls into the area where we had disagreements before. For reasons I will explain shortly, I believe that this is just an echo of some old decisions. I would hate to bring this to the kind of attention and emotion that these debates usually get. Thus, I am reaching out in the hope, based on your earlier positions, that we can agree on how this should be treated. The edit in question is about the first appearance of the Thirteenth Doctor. Based on your seeming reluctance in the past to accept her first appearance to be in a mini-short story published by CJB, I hope that you would consider the current state equally inappropriate. Note that first appearances can be used by editors to determine copyright for characters. So having this particular story listed as her first appearance seems to give the copyright for her to Sue Hampton.

Thing is, this novel was released back in August 2017, around the time of the mini-short. A lot of time passed since then. There were the "fireworks" around the Christmas special (a grandfather dilemma, if you will). And then the two copyright-wielding sides found a compromise. (Or at least that's how it looks to me. At the very least they stopped lobbing public cease-and-desist messages.) Given these later developments, I really would not want to rekindle the state of affairs the way it was in August 2017. This is a genuine dispute that exists objectively beyond the wiki. And a truce within and without the wiki is as good as it gets for now. Thus, I am contacting you before taking any action. I would appreciate it if you could let me know your position on what should be the first appearance of the Thirteenth Doctor. If we can agree on that, we can try to find the least invasive change that would not disturb the truce. Amorkuz 00:14, September 9, 2018 (UTC)

Great! That makes three of us agreeing on the edit, already implemented by TheChampionOfTime. Additionally, he clarified that August 2017 was just a pre-release, so no rules need to be broken. Unbeknownst to me, the regular release of this book was in January, after the Christmas special. And discounting pre-releases is a standard practice. For instance, pre-screenings of episodes have been discounted multiple times.
It also turned out to be a good opportunity to compare our views and learn that they are in agreement as far as the big picture is concerned. I completely agree that CJB is part of DWU. I even agree, as a fan, that it is nice to see nods to (or cameos of) various Doctors/companions. It is the towing of some reasonable line that I have been struggling with. Since I do not have a satisfactory regular solution, lately I generally try not to edit CJB (modulo renaming edits). But cases like this must be resolved in one way or another. And while I certainly did not expect any edit wars, I was worried that, were I to perform the same edit done by TheChampionOfTime (CoT), it could be viewed as not sufficiently impartial by editors who hold CJB dear to their hearts. Thus, my original plan was to ask whether you agree and, if yes, to ask you to make the change to avoid any suspicions of one-sidedness. I believe that CoT's edit and your stated position achieve this goal. So I am quite happy with the result. I am even happier that there was no need to make an exception or invent some artificial rule in order to achieve this result.
Thanks for weighing in on this. And happy editing! Amorkuz 23:15, September 10, 2018 (UTC)

Kahning blast from the past[[edit source]]

Hi, it's been 7 years since this edit, but now it is very important, all of a sudden. Do you, by any chance, remember the origins of this spelling? Was "Kahn" based on any written source or purely phonetic? Thank you in advance for your time. Amorkuz 08:52, January 30, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming. It is exactly as I expected. I just wanted to make sure I did not miss some source in my search. The reason I was asking (as I'm sure you have guessed) is that with everything we've learned recently, "Khan" seems to be a spelling more in tune with Fallout's Yasmin's Punjabi roots, which are explicitly mentioned in the story. I did some quick digging at Khan (surname), Kahn and Kan (surname), and only one seems to be consistent with the character's provenance. Not really the conclusion I would have preferred myself, but here we are... I guess I'll go and put a rename tag then. Don't think it's clear enough for a speedy rename. Amorkuz 09:16, January 30, 2019 (UTC)

Re: A Farewell[[edit source]]

Well, thank you so much! You have no idea how much this means to me. And as you noticed, I also must thank you for partially inspiring the story by making me think deeper about the Weapon/Moment!

As for your question: well first, let me note that I didn't add info about the Greater Key to those pages. Our fellow FP fan User:TheChampionOfTime picked up on that and did it without my input (which I greatly, greatly appreciate). I've been doing my best to avoid adding anything to the wiki based on my own stories - not because I don't want to, but because I'm afraid I'd be violating some rule in the process. (I seem to recall Cody Schell was banned for something similar during the original thread about Señor 105, but that's since been deleted, so I'm not quite sure.)

But in any case, that's been the main thing stopping me from putting anything relevant on the pages for the War King and the Magistrate. I'm glad you spotted that nod to their shared identity, which I certainly intended to be an further confirmation of something that's been hinted at since their first appearances. So I agree with you that the connection should definitely be mentioned on both pages, even if I won't be the one to put it there!

[Edit: A mention on both pages *at the very least*, that is. I definitely think a merge wouldn't be out-of-order at all.]

Thank you again for such a kind review! – N8 00:14, February 26, 2019 (UTC)

Obverse expertise sought[[edit source]]

Hi! I was wondering if you might have access to Iris Wildthyme of Mars and, if so, whether you could help simultaneously uphold our wiki's policies and show that we as a community value the efforts authors put into entertaining us by fleshing out a page of a story. An author pleaded with admin to help her do that. I would have done it myself, but do not have this particular anthology. Sorry for bothering you otherwise. Amorkuz 14:50, March 6, 2019 (UTC)

Image policy[[edit source]]

I'm trying to get an image policy finalized, and would like to invite you to discuss it on Thread:247941.

Sincerely, BananaClownMan 22:27, March 21, 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Manager[[edit source]]

Hi Revanvolatrelundar! My name is Playsonic2 and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager assigned to TARDIS Data Core. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff.

I also happen to be an administrator at the Spanish Doctor Who Wiki, which has me spending considerable amount of time here (adding interlanguage links mostly). I know this wiki wonderfully organised and that CzechOut assists with any technical issues, but if there is anything I could assist with, I would be pleased to help. I will be available on my talk page! ~Playsonic2 09:05, May 20, 2019 (UTC)

Hi! I’m here to share the news that Fandom has an official Discord server now. Feel free to check this blog post from Community Central, which includes more details and, of course, the server invite link. Editors from many different communities and staff members are there chatting already - you (and other editors!) are invited to join as well. Playsonic2 07:46, July 11, 2019 (UTC)

Block request[[edit source]]

Hi. Could I ask you to take some action on the user Zanda21. This user engaged in an edit war, ignored Shambala, Borisashton and me, and made personal attacks. Shambala does not block people anymore, apparently, so I would request you to take some action. If you don't mind. :) --DCLM 16:19, August 11, 2019 (UTC)

Hi, you can ignore this request, I've blocked the user for violating Tardis:No personal attacks. Thanks Shambala108 16:26, August 11, 2019 (UTC)

Re:[[edit source]]

I appreciate your clarification. It is always preferable to talk and understand each other's positions even when there are strong disagreements on them. To return the courtesy, let me expand on my explanation in the thread. The reason the stories were deleted was a combination of T:NOT and T:OFF REL. Since the book with these stories was (and still is) only in preparation, there was no reason to keep the pages. I am now aware that we have a fundamental disagreement on what is considered an official release. However, I was not aware of it while performing the deletion, again for the simple reason that there had been no community discussion before the creation of the pages. In particular, I do not equate a publication of a story by author A on the official website of the BBC (like Christmas Special) with a blog post by author A on the website of author A. Therefore, I did not see any precedents for considering these stories released.

Let me use this opportunity to clarify the question of my alleged bias against the author and/or his stories. My opposition is purely procedural. If these stories are posted by Obverse Books on their website, I change my vote to inclusion on the condition that the release date is the date of the publication on the Obverse website. There is no reason for me to care about three more FP stories. As explained in the thread, it is the manner of the publication that troubles me. After a hiatus, I am planning to continue explaining there why.

Finally, I would ask you to reread my post that you took to be "asserting" your bias. If you do that, you will see that no such assertion was made. I stated that it was not publicly known at the time whether you had any relationship to the books being discussed. It is standard practice in legal proceedings, in journalism, in scientific reviewing and on Wikipedia to clearly and voluntarily announce existing and clarify suspected conflicts of interests. I thank you for responding by explaining that you are not in any way related to the stories. I accepted this explanation and was completely satisfied by it. Amorkuz 21:58, September 3, 2019 (UTC)

Re: thread closings[[edit source]]

Hi, yeah, I sometimes have that trouble too. That's why most of my closings just have the message "See final post", because if the message is too long, it just won't post. Just one of the many things wrong with those message boards. Too bad we can't go back to the old forum posts - easier to post and easier to find. Thanks Shambala108 15:55, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

The War Romance[[edit source]]

Thanks for moving Paperman to The War Romance. At the time that I noticed the page name, I was on my phone on a bus, so wasn't sure of the protocol, or how to put in the request formally, but I knew Amorkuz had previously given some advice when I had tried moving a page before, so thought I'd ask them for help raising it. Usually I'd check the correct protocol on my laptop these days to report it.

Have a good spook month.

ThomasRWade 17:08, October 2, 2019 (UTC)


I read the first LS book in 2017, then met a few of the authors that summer when they were doing a mini event thing in Cardiff. Started reading the series more around February 2018, and have been reading The Laughing Gnome series this past month (been getting them delivered as they released since A Very Private Haunting). I just thought I'd do my best to help out on those pages because they are fairly niche titles within the community for various reasons. I finally got The HAVOC Files 4 today from ebay, so have managed to confirm something I had thought was wrong with that anthology's page too. Just glad to have a great community here that's so helpful at ensuringthings are accurate (another series's wiki I once contributed to was nowhere near as community friendly).

Thanks again for the kind words.

ThomasRWade 17:34, October 2, 2019 (UTC)

Request[[edit source]]

I hate to do this, I know it's annoying, but I was wondering if you could take a look at giving a final consensus at Thread:212365? We've had it open for years and I just feel like it's done and is just waiting for that stamp of approval, but no one's invested enough to get around to it. OS25🤙☎️ 21:40, November 21, 2019 (UTC)

New Howling post[[edit source]]

Could you please check my latest post at Howling:The Howling? I have an important question about the future of Doctor Who that I'd like to know how to handle. I won't just go ahead and create the page. --DCLM 15:06, November 22, 2019 (UTC)

Re:[[edit source]]

Thank you for your message. I am sad that it had to come to this. But I appreciate you taking responsibility for your mistakes, intended or unintended. That deserves respect. I would have made the same decision in your place. I wish you good luck in your writing and publishing endeavours.

Since I've been plunged into the same toxic environment as you for months, with multiple personal attacks against me, and with all other participants of the original decision to delete the stories (which was not even my suggestion) refusing to take the responsibility, I feel I can share some advice on how to stay sane while not actively editing on the wiki. The advice is offered sincerely and from personal experience, from one admin bruised in divisive inclusion debates to another. The obvious first step is to turn off the email notifications. But it might also be useful to unfollow all active forum threads. The reason for the latter is that, if you visit FANDOM under your login, even some other wiki, the counter of new forum messages will appear. It might be hard to resist looking, which was not helpful for me during my forced exile. With all notifications turned off, you are the master of which pages to visit (if any).

I am also sad that my initial suggestion of what to do with these stories was rejected by the other admin. I proposed, among other things, to outline explicit rules about the conflict of interest and then begin the validity debate. Were the rules formulated explicitly, this situation could have been avoided.

Fare thee well. Amorkuz 00:24, January 12, 2020 (UTC)

Check on[[edit source]]

Hello, User:Revanvolatrelundar. I just wanted to stop by and check how you were doing in these trying times of self-isolation?BananaClownMan 09:53, April 16, 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[[edit source]]

Hello, there. I just wanted to stop by and wish you the merriest of Christmases, and a Happy New Year. BananaClownMan 14:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)