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==Quotes==
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Who removed the quotes? -- [[User:Darth Batrus|Darth Batrus]] 12:21, 09 August 2008 (UTC)
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:I did. Quotes are against the [[Tardis:Manual of style#Quotations|manual of style]]. -<[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] 15:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Just wondering - why does it say that Silurian's red thingy in the forehead is an eye? For me it's more like an augmentation of sorts, they're technologically advanced after all...{{unsigned-anon|128.73.22.123}}


==Images==
:Because they call it an eye, so it must be an eye. -<[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] [[User talk:Azes13|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:27, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
Not sure if this is helpful but found this picture whilst reading some extracts from Scales of Injustice and wondered if it might be something to add to the article. Anyway, here it is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/ebooks/scalesofinjustice/images/800/ep3.html [[User:Darth Batrus|Darth Batrus]] 18:46, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
==Appearences==
It says that they are appearing in the pandorica opens and the big bang, does anyone know that for sure? ~ [[User:BillyWilliam3rd|BillyWilliam3rd]]


==300Mya==
Oh, do they? OK, won't interfere then.)
In [[The Hungry Earth]], at 33:37, the Doctor says, "You're 300 million years outside your comfort zone."


300Mya is around the start of the Permian period (Cisuralian age, Asselian epoch, to be specific). It was during this era that the proto-reptiles split into two lines--pelycosaurs and sauropsids. The pelycosaurs were the ancestors of therapsids (mammal-like reptiles), mammals, and other synapsids. The sauropsids were the ancestors of the birds, most familiar dinosaurs, and modern reptiles.
==Citation needed==
The <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> present in the lead demands a source for what I assume is the co-existence of Silurians and Sea Devils. However, were I to put ''Warriors of the Deep'', this would immediately appear to be the source for all those alternative names, when it isn't. Are we to simply put all the necessary sources in the lead? I think this would be best, but perhaps in groups so an not to disrupt the flow. I know it's not convention to source leads, but I certainly think it should be. Hopefully someone can see through all the superflous text here, as I appear to have hidden my own question.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 22:08, September 14, 2012 (UTC)


Anyway, pelycosaurs are clearly still reptilian, and probably cold-blooded, but much more mammal-like in other ways than the sauropsids. And they ruled the planet for most of the next 50M years (until the P-Tr extinction wiped most of them out and the sauropsids took over, until the K-T extinction, aka the Adric extinction, 185 million years later, when synapsids took back over, in the form of mammals).
:I think the citation is required for the fact that the Silurians are from the Silurian period, which is contradicted by most of the other sources and mentioned in the Behind the Scenes section. I'm just going to remove that bit.-<[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] [[User talk:Azes13|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:49, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
:: Sorry if that wasn't clear. The Fact tag I added was for the "lived during the Silurian" rather than "co-existed with Sea Devils". -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 10:21, September 15, 2012 (UTC)


So, the Silurians could be early pelycosaurs, who evolved around 300Mya. Or they could be Carboniferous-era early reptiles who went into hibernation at the start of the Permian, maybe with different groups of them awakening at various different times in the future as a means of escaping the multiple extinction events.
Um hi could everyone just sign there comments? just hold shift and push the key wright below the esc key four times thank you.[[User:Homo reptilia|Homo reptilia]] [[User talk:Homo reptilia|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:54, December 31, 2012 (UTC)


I don't know if this helps the dating issue or just adds more controversy. If these are very early Silurians, that would explain the lack of the third eye and psychic powers.
== Non-use of weaponry ==


Anyway, I'm not sure how to fit all this information into the article, but I'll add the basic 300Mya mention. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 05:00, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
Would the armies of Silurians using weapons post-2010 contradict what this page says about them usually not being armed? Or should this be a "Wenley vs. Wales" distinction? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 22:57, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
:Please don't try to fit this info into the article at all. Or, if you simply ''can't'' resist, please be '''very brief''' and put it either in an italicized, indented paragraph or clearly under the behind-the-scenes section. It's out-of-universe info. And perhaps more to the point, it's speculation about the nature of the connection of the DWU to the RW. And that's really not on. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 21:46, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


==Warrior-gender==
== Weakness ==
Is it worth noting that the majority of the warrior Silurians seen in series 5 are female? [[User:Hellkaiserryo12|<font color="FireBrick" size="2px">'''''Hell'''''</font><font color="Crimson" size="2px">'''''Kaiser'''''</font><font color="FireBrick" size="2px">'''''ryo12'''''</font>]] ([[user_talk:Hellkaiserryo12|Talk]]&bull;[[Special:Contributions/Hellkaiserryo12|Contribs]]) 22:31, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


No, I don't think so. Not unless we can find an explanation for why this is.[[Special:Contributions/122.105.223.16|122.105.223.16]] 07:59, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
When Alaya is killed with a stun gun, I thought it was odd that she died from something so simple. Are the Silurians really susceptible to electricity? {{unsigned|Kurai the Tsukikage}}


==Susceptibility to electricity==
Was it an aquatic silurian or a land living one?[[User:Homo reptilia|Homo reptilia]] [[User talk:Homo reptilia|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:56, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
Is it also worth noting the fact that Ambrose was able to kill a Silurian using only a few taser blasts? Although it's well known that even one taser shot can kill a person (as the media here in North America regularly reports), it might be worth noting that this same weakness afflicts at least the version of the Silurians seen in HE/CB. [[Special:Contributions/68.146.81.123|68.146.81.123]] 21:18, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
==masks==
don't you think the masks bear more resembalence to the classic series silurians than the actul new series silurians? does this mean that the classic series silurians were just wearing masks? ''submited july the 3rd 2010.''


: ''I'm of this impression as well. I firmly believe that the Silurians in the older episodes were simply wearing different helmets and that they integrated their weaponry into the helmet. Nothing says they weren't, and the new series indicates that they are just different tribes. That's hardly enough excuse for one group to look completely humanoid down to humanlike facial features and the other to not. Besides, it lends something to the older appearances: The reason they looked like masks was because they WERE masks. [[Special:Contributions/72.247.151.10|72.247.151.10]] 22:08, June 6, 2011 (UTC)''
Land living, she's from the new episodes. She's the new one in the main picture on the Silurian page.


== Article Split ==
oh yeah now I remember her.  Mabye there was a more powerful setting on the stun gun or mabye since she lived underground she had water on her and was electrocuted.[[User:Homo reptilia|Homo reptilia]] [[User talk:Homo reptilia|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:36, December 31, 2012 (UTC)


I noticed that [[Cyberman]] had been split into two articles ([[Cyberman]] and [[Cyberman (Pete's World)]]) I wondered whether a similar thing could be done here, since the newer Silurians lack many of the physical parts that the older Silurians had (Third Eye was gone, body was shaped ''slightly'' differently [though arguably due to Computer software and makeup being able to create more humanoid-looking creatures], a giant tongue) and etc. Would there be enough information to warrant an article split? [[User:Manga Maniac|Manga Maniac]] 19:36, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
:You do know that [[:wikipedia:Taser safety issues#Deaths and injuries related to Taser use|you can kill a human]] with a stun gun, right? It's not that much of a stretch to assume you could kill a Silurian the same way. -<[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] [[User talk:Azes13|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:08, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


The cybermen weere split for the same reason that characters who appear in both universes are split. The silurians seen in the new series are the same species as the original silurians, they are just a different branch of the species. The cybusmen have a completely different backstory to the real cybermen, and don't even come from the same universe.[[User:Gowron8472|Gowron8472]] 21:57, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I know humans can also die from stun guns. However, I figured it would have been on setting that wouldn't be strong enough to kill her which led me to believe they may be more susceptible.
==End Of Time/Pandorica Opens ==
Could the alien seen in the cantina scenes in these episodes be some species of Silurian? [[User:The vet|The vet]] 09:57, September 23, 2010 (UTC)


== Alien? ==
Well the lady was threatening her since her father was poisoned and her husband an her ''son'' had been kidnapped, so she seemed pretty serious to me.[[User:Homo reptilia|Homo reptilia]] [[User talk:Homo reptilia|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:34, January 4, 2013 (UTC)


Are the Silurians alien? [[User:Cortion|Cortion]] 14:41, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
== Naming issue section ==


: No, at least not in the "extraterrestrial" sense. They were the dominant species on Earth before the dinosaurs became extinct, but they've been in hibernation for millions of years because they thought the Moon was going to collide with them at that point. Different tribes awoke at varying points of the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries, due to human interference. I'm not even certain they have space travel, though I could be mistaken. [[Special:Contributions/94.12.20.134|94.12.20.134]] 14:51, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
Is the "naming issue" section of this page anything other than conjecture along with describing inaccuracies in made up scientific names? If so, don't even behind the scenes sections violate [[T:NO RW]] when doing this? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 21:52, July 4, 2015 (UTC)


== Main image ==
== Tabbed gallery - infobox ==


Changing image for the following reason: current picture shows the Silurians wearing masks. It should show them without such affects covering their appearances.
Unusually, this page has 3 images in the infobox side by side. Should these be updated so they appear within a newly-agreed upon tabbed gallery instead? — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Send a space-time telegraph">@</span>]] 13:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


[[Sontaran]]s are not shown with their helmets on, because most of the time there off. However, Daleks are (nearly) always in their Travel machines and are rarely uncovered.
: Just giving this a nudge. Should the images be put into an infobox gallery like others have? — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Send a space-time telegraph">@</span>]] 18:39, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


In comparison, Silurians hardly ever wear masks. [[User:Cortion]] suggests that, through out all of their appearances - Silurians have mostly worn masks. This statement isn't true. So, in a nutshell, the image should be changed.----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 17:40, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
:: That sounds reasonable. [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|📢]] 18:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


I'm not a liar, Skittles, only '''five''' Silurians have been seen without their masks so far, and those are: [[Alaya]], [[Restac]], [[Malokeh]], [[Eldane]] and [[Vastra]]. All the others have got their masks on. Whilst with Sontarans, we've seen quite a lot more than that. It's not covering their faces, it's adding a concept.
== Silurian classes (and Tenth Doctor reference) ==


And also, give me a very, very good reason. Then yes, I will try and find another image. [[User:Cortion|Cortion]] 17:46, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
It's stated in ''The Lost Dimension'' that Vastra's subspecies is the "Scholar class" while the Pertwee era Silurians are the "Warrior class". I understand that "Early" is also a used term in the literature, but considering that the Silurians met by the Third and Fifth Doctors respectively are essentially Warrior class, and the Silurians we see during and after the Eleventh Doctor era are "Scholar class", should we rename the gallery tabs from Eary, Middle and Late, seeing as Early and Middle are the same subspecies. I get that we want to show all of their iterations, but it's best to be accurate.


What? Are we talking about the same ''Doctor Who''? Do any of the following Silurians wear masks: [[Icthar]], [[Imorkal]], [[K'to]], [[Scibus]], [[Tarpok]]. No. Nor do any of their (many) followers. It's clear your a new series-only fan, but the show has a history y'know. As for find an image, I already have/had one. It was in the infobox before you removed it.----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 17:59, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
Furthermore, on a different note, the preview chapters in ''Frida Kohlo and the Skull Children'' have the Tenth Doctor stating that humans and Silurians will one day live together in harmony but that specific future date isn't set (i.e. it's in flux). Since that's already been printed, are we allowed to put it on the article, or do we have to wait for the novel in its entirety (since the Tenth Doctor may explain a bit further)? [[User:Thefartydoctor|Thefartydoctor]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 17:42, 15 November 2024 (UTC)


[[File:Wenley and Wales.jpg|250px|right|thumb|????]]
:Best to just wait until the Tenth Doctor book is out. Will only be about a week.
:This is the type of article that could you a double image (like on the Cyberman page or two 250px (on on top of the other)). One image would be a Silurian with the third eye, and the second one one from the new series. This can only work since there are a major difference between the two. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 18:00, July 3, 2011 (UTC)


Yeah, I suppose. So long third eye, you shall be missed. I've put a suggestion to the side, is this what you had in mind?----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 18:05, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
:The issue of the Silurian classes is one of many contradictory sources. Some sources do differentiate the Classics Silurians, and they do have different designs, meaning that it's not inaccurate. We could have different names on the tabs; it's not elegant, but sometimes we just label them "A", "B", and "C" to not be biased. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|TheChampionOfTime]] [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 04:34, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
 
:I'm not a new-series only fan. I do enjoy some classic serials, e.g. ''[[Logopolis]]'', ''[[Castrovalva]]''. And sorry, but I don't really agree with this. Either this, I get a new-series Silurian without the mask, and I said Skittles for you to give a very valid reason, or we keep the one with the mask. [[User:Cortion|Cortion]] 07:12, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
No we don't. Your opinion is not fact. Both myself and Mini-mitch agree on <u>a</u> split image. I've given you a good reason, now you give me one for keeping an image where you cannot see the faces. Hint: there isn't one!----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the
hog|Talk]]</small></u> 09:58, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
:I want does not get, Cortion. This is a wiki ran by a community, not by one person. We come to agrements when trying to decide things. If everyone was like "I want this... I want that..." we would get nowhere. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 12:39, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
Well said. So, do you like this image?----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 12:58, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
: I do. The only complaint I would have is to have the Silurian with the third eye made a little more clear. In other words, make the image more obvious that it has a third eye. Apart from that I like it. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 13:01, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
The problem with the eye is that it's generally the only thing in the shot when it's alight. The director always zooms in on it for some reason. I suppose you could take a ''[[Warriors of the Deep]]'' Silurian, but the originals were the best in my own opinion. Anyway, I'll take a look and see if I can't find a good one.----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 13:08, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
:You're making a personal attack on me, Skittles, so stop it! And when you said "your opinion is not fact", well duh! That's what opinion is! <u>Not fact! </u>And you don't make sense half the time, Skittles. "Well said", what a stupid comment. Sarcasm towards me is what you love isn't it!? So sharp and bitter and insolent. And guess what, it's not to other users, it's to me! So what have you got against me, Skittles the hog? What have I done? What have I done to offend you? Hint: Nothing!
 
:And type properly, "y'know" isn't a word <u>you know! </u> And also, use this symbol (⸮) whenever you will use sarcasm towards me. See if you do it intentionally or not. I bet it's intention! [[User:Cortion|Cortion]] 15:00, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
(Sarcasm warning) That was helpful towards this discussion. (End of sarcasm) I didn't make a personal attack on you. I merely corrected you. Your opinion is not fact. Additionally, "y'know" = "you know", first day of school. Starting a sentence (and especially a paragraph) with "And" is incorrect.
 
Referring to my comment as "stupid", is a personal attack as are a number of your past comments. You have achieved nothing with your random outburst. Please restrain yourself and contribute helpfully.
 
Anyway, I was unable to find a satisfactory image of a Silurian where the "third eye" is alight. However, I don't think it's really necessary.----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 15:30, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
:You just spoke like [[Matron Cofelia]] then! Ha, worth it every second! I will "restrain" myself if it helps, which it does. Thank you for being so agreeable.
 
:Plus, use the symbol! Look here: ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation Please click this link]), but remember, whatever you do, don't diss the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Denham Denham]! [[User:Cortion|Cortion]] 15:44, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

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Just wondering - why does it say that Silurian's red thingy in the forehead is an eye? For me it's more like an augmentation of sorts, they're technologically advanced after all...The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.73.22.123 (talk).

Because they call it an eye, so it must be an eye. -<Azes13 13:27, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, do they? OK, won't interfere then.)

Citation needed[[edit source]]

The {{fact}} present in the lead demands a source for what I assume is the co-existence of Silurians and Sea Devils. However, were I to put Warriors of the Deep, this would immediately appear to be the source for all those alternative names, when it isn't. Are we to simply put all the necessary sources in the lead? I think this would be best, but perhaps in groups so an not to disrupt the flow. I know it's not convention to source leads, but I certainly think it should be. Hopefully someone can see through all the superflous text here, as I appear to have hidden my own question.--Skittles the hog - talk 22:08, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think the citation is required for the fact that the Silurians are from the Silurian period, which is contradicted by most of the other sources and mentioned in the Behind the Scenes section. I'm just going to remove that bit.-<Azes13 03:49, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry if that wasn't clear. The Fact tag I added was for the "lived during the Silurian" rather than "co-existed with Sea Devils". -- Tybort (talk page) 10:21, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Um hi could everyone just sign there comments? just hold shift and push the key wright below the esc key four times thank you.Homo reptilia 18:54, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Non-use of weaponry[[edit source]]

Would the armies of Silurians using weapons post-2010 contradict what this page says about them usually not being armed? Or should this be a "Wenley vs. Wales" distinction? -- Tybort (talk page) 22:57, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Weakness[[edit source]]

When Alaya is killed with a stun gun, I thought it was odd that she died from something so simple. Are the Silurians really susceptible to electricity? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kurai the Tsukikage (talk • contribs) .

Was it an aquatic silurian or a land living one?Homo reptilia 18:56, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Land living, she's from the new episodes. She's the new one in the main picture on the Silurian page.

oh yeah now I remember her. Mabye there was a more powerful setting on the stun gun or mabye since she lived underground she had water on her and was electrocuted.Homo reptilia 22:36, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

You do know that you can kill a human with a stun gun, right? It's not that much of a stretch to assume you could kill a Silurian the same way. -<Azes13 04:08, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I know humans can also die from stun guns. However, I figured it would have been on setting that wouldn't be strong enough to kill her which led me to believe they may be more susceptible.

Well the lady was threatening her since her father was poisoned and her husband an her son had been kidnapped, so she seemed pretty serious to me.Homo reptilia 01:34, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Naming issue section[[edit source]]

Is the "naming issue" section of this page anything other than conjecture along with describing inaccuracies in made up scientific names? If so, don't even behind the scenes sections violate T:NO RW when doing this? -- Tybort (talk page) 21:52, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

Tabbed gallery - infobox[[edit source]]

Unusually, this page has 3 images in the infobox side by side. Should these be updated so they appear within a newly-agreed upon tabbed gallery instead? — Fractal Doctor @ 13:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Just giving this a nudge. Should the images be put into an infobox gallery like others have? — Fractal Doctor @ 18:39, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
That sounds reasonable. Aquanafrahudy 📢 18:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Silurian classes (and Tenth Doctor reference)[[edit source]]

It's stated in The Lost Dimension that Vastra's subspecies is the "Scholar class" while the Pertwee era Silurians are the "Warrior class". I understand that "Early" is also a used term in the literature, but considering that the Silurians met by the Third and Fifth Doctors respectively are essentially Warrior class, and the Silurians we see during and after the Eleventh Doctor era are "Scholar class", should we rename the gallery tabs from Eary, Middle and Late, seeing as Early and Middle are the same subspecies. I get that we want to show all of their iterations, but it's best to be accurate.

Furthermore, on a different note, the preview chapters in Frida Kohlo and the Skull Children have the Tenth Doctor stating that humans and Silurians will one day live together in harmony but that specific future date isn't set (i.e. it's in flux). Since that's already been printed, are we allowed to put it on the article, or do we have to wait for the novel in its entirety (since the Tenth Doctor may explain a bit further)? Thefartydoctor 17:42, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Best to just wait until the Tenth Doctor book is out. Will only be about a week.
The issue of the Silurian classes is one of many contradictory sources. Some sources do differentiate the Classics Silurians, and they do have different designs, meaning that it's not inaccurate. We could have different names on the tabs; it's not elegant, but sometimes we just label them "A", "B", and "C" to not be biased. TheChampionOfTime 04:34, 16 November 2024 (UTC)