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 ::::::Because the webcast is depicted as a rotating series of drawings which clearly originated as storyboards, there was speculation that it was a "deleted scene," and that this was originally the ending to [[TV]]: ''[[The Angels Take Manhattan (TV story)|The Angels Take Manhattan]]''. However, writer [[Chris Chibnall]] revealed that the scene was actually intended as a DVD live-action bonus feature. [[Mark Williams]] was not available for filming, so the dialogue was recorded and it was turned into a webcast. Ultimately, in all regards other than the quality of the art, it somewhat resembles the early ''DW'' webcasts, such as [[WC]]: ''[[Shada (webcast)|Shada]]''.
 :::::Ultimately, I support saying that P.S is not actually a deleted scene, and I'm now neutral on deleted scenes and R3. [[User:Aquanafrahudy|Aquanafrahudy]] [[User talk:Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:19, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
+Apologies if the message placement here interferes with the thread's pacing, but I've some points on this matter. Another example of a single deleted scene adapted into released fiction would be [[Planet of the Rain Gods (comic story)]], which (like the Big Finish adaptations) contradicts the relevant TV episode but could be covered validly as 'another account'. As has already been discussed, similar deleted-scene-caused-TV-contradictions appear in many novelisations, which we already successfully cover with account language. Is this complicated by "Rain Gods" later being re-adapted into [[Rain Gods (home video)]], which drives to not break with the televised continuity? I don't think so, but it's worth discussing.
+Additionally, regarding ''The Pilot Episode'', I do see value in its use as a valid source. It'd help fleshing out what exactly the [[Fourth dimension]] meant back then, at least! I'm uncertain, however, if the changes between the Pilot and aired episode are of the same level as [[Dr. Who and the Daleks (theatrical film)]] for separate pages to be an advantage; the shift from the Pilot's characterizations to those of later episodes is more gradual and part of the journey that was aired, and even the backstories given in the Pilot have relevance to the aired episodes (it's not like we're living in the universe of ''[[The Pitch of Fear (TV story)|The Pitch of Fear]]''). Regarding [[Palimpsest universe]]s, as was already mentioned in the opening post, the idea expressed in the late '90s novels was that all the shifts in backstory lore were in-universe temporal shifts, including the half-human and loom stuff, that resulted in the universe being in-universe as contradictory and multi-possibility as it is in reality; we cover those later things in "accounts" language, no [Seventh Doctor (Lungbarrow] and [Seventh Doctor (The Enemy Within)], and I believe the same would work with the Pilot (same introductory story and events, just with different speeches). The core idea of ''Unnatural History'' is that the Doctor is in-universe the same character in all their versions and overwritten timelines: the human of the 1960s becomes the Time Lord of the 1970s becomes the half-human of the 1990s, a form of "continuity of consciousness" even if the 1990s Doctor doesn't usually remember his other backstories. Perhaps this argument interferes with the careful balance being sought here, but that's my two cents. Never hurts to explore the horizon, ''said Icarus''. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">CoT</span>]]   [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">?</span> ]] 16:21, 10 May 2023 (UTC)