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*Some stories feature calendars, but these can contradict one another. ''[[The Green Death]]'' features two such references, one which says the story is set in [[February]] in a [[leap year]] when [[29th February |29 February]] falls on a Sunday ([[1972]] is the only one in the [[1960s]]-[[1990s]]), but another says [[April]].
*Some stories feature calendars, but these can contradict one another. ''[[The Green Death]]'' features two such references, one which says the story is set in [[February]] in a [[leap year]] when [[29th February |29 February]] falls on a Sunday ([[1972]] is the only one in the [[1960s]]-[[1990s]]), but another says [[April]].


*Where politics are concerned, the stories offer a very different picture from the time when they were transmitted. The [[British Prime Minister]] is called "Jeremy" in [[1973]]'s ''[[The Green Death]]'' (intended to be Liberal leader [[Jeremy Thorpe]] who never attained that position) and is a woman in [[1975]]'s ''[[Terror of the Zygons]]'' (four years before [[Margaret Thatcher]] attained the position). In the much later ''[[Battlefield]]'' the monarch of the [[United Kingdom]] is a King. The [[United Nations]] is more interventionist than its [[1970s]] real-life counterpart, whilst the [[Cold War]] at times is on the verge of turning into [[World War III]] in some of the earlier stories, but by ''[[Invasion of the Dinosaurs]]'' and ''[[Robot (TV story)|Robot]]'' the Cold War is over. [[Mao Tse Tung]] is alive at the time of [[1971]]'s ''[[The Mind of Evil]]'' and in real life he died in [[1976]], which would date the story before that. The [[Great Britain]] of ''[[Terror of the Zygons]]'', also has a female prime minister. In the real world that had never before happened. (But then, the ''Doctor Who'' events and politics has clear divergences from real world politics.)
*Where politics are concerned, the stories offer a very different picture from the time when they were transmitted. The [[British Prime Minister]] is called "Jeremy" in [[1973]]'s ''[[The Green Death]]'' (intended to be Liberal leader [[Jeremy Thorpe]] who never attained that position) and is a woman in [[1975]]'s ''[[Terror of the Zygons]]'' (four years before [[Margaret Thatcher]] attained the position). In the much later ''[[Battlefield]]'' the monarch of the [[United Kingdom]] is a King. The [[United Nations]] is more interventionist than its [[1970s]] real-life counterpart, whilst the [[Cold War]] at times is on the verge of turning into [[World War III]] in some of the earlier stories, but by ''[[Invasion of the Dinosaurs]]'' and ''[[Robot (TV story)|Robot]]'' the Cold War is over. [[Mao Tse Tung]] is alive at the time of [[1971]]'s ''[[The Mind of Evil]]'' and in real life he died in [[1976]], which would date the story before that.


*Usually, the stories don't attempt to predict future fashions or technology, except when it is central to the plot. The result is that the stories look very strongly like the [[1970s]]. In the [[1970]] serial ''[[The Ambassadors of Death]]'', [[John Benton | Sergeant Benton]] comments that the distress signal [[SOS]] was done away with "years ago."
*Usually, the stories don't attempt to predict future fashions or technology, except when it is central to the plot. The result is that the stories look very strongly like the [[1970s]]. In the [[1970]] serial ''[[The Ambassadors of Death]]'', [[John Benton | Sergeant Benton]] comments that the distress signal [[SOS]] was done away with "years ago."

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The UNIT dating controversy refers to an ongoing debate in Doctor Who fandom about the exact dates of the UNIT Era. One school of thought places the UNIT Era stories in "the present" (at time of broadcast), i.e. from approximately 1969 to 1974, another in "the near future", meaning approximately 1975 to 1980 or later.

Lack of conclusive evidence

No television story actually featuring UNIT gives a clear date onscreen. Several other stories did offer dates, more recently The 10th Doctor telling Donna that he worked for UNIT "Some time in the 70's, or was it the 80's?" but they have a habit of contradicting one another, whilst a whole host of unused dialogue and scenes, internal production memos, books by the contemporary creative teams and other media have all combined to confuse the matter further. It is not even clear when the contemporary production team intended the stories to be set as different contributions on different occasions confuse one another.

None of the earlier stories had explicit dates attached to them. Although there is strong evidence that at least some of the production team intended for the UNIT stories to take place in the "near future", this policy was not consistently applied. Whether the stories take place contemporaneously with the broadcast dates, a few years in the future or even a few years into the past is therefore highly debatable.

Stories that have provoked particular controversy

The 1983 Doctor Who story Mawdryn Undead provoked much of the controversy. This story states explicitly that Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart retired in 1976, which would seem to contradict earlier stories.

It particular, it contradicts a few lines of dialogue in the 1975 story Pyramids of Mars where Sarah Jane Smith and the Fourth Doctor seem sure that Sarah Jane Smith comes from the year 1980.

Evidence in televised stories

Major evidence

  • Cira 1975 - The Second Doctor meets Professor Travers a second time. Professor Travers says he last met the Doctor forty years ago. (In this story, the Doctor also meets Lethbridge-Stewart for the first time.) (DW: The Web of Fear)
  • circa 1979 - Lethbridge-Stewart guesses that four years have passed since he met the Doctor and fought the Yeti along with Travers. (DW: The Invasion)
  • 1980 - Sarah Jane Smith, (who comes from the UNIT Era) directly states that she comes from the year 1980. It is possible she has spent some years travelling with the Doctor by now, though.

(DW: Pyramids of Mars)

  • In the 1989 story Battlefield the Brigadier has now retired completely and the Seventh Doctor tells his companion Ace (who is from the late 1980s) that they are "a few years in (her) future" and a few oddities confirm this.

Minor references

  • The Third Doctor's companion Jo says that 1926 is "about forty years" earlier than her own time. This would place the Third Doctor UNIT stories in the 1960s if it means her present or in the 1980s if it means her birth date. (DW: Carnival of Monsters)
  • In the 1983 story Mawdryn Undead it is established that Lethbridge-Stewart retired in 1976 (and was not promoted to a General) and worked at a British public school from 1977 until at least 1983. The story features two timezones — 1977, which features celebrations of the Silver Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II, and 1983, which is repeatedly confirmed as taking place "six years" later.

Contradictory clues

In addition, there are many other contradictory details that confuse the picture.

  • Usually, the stories don't attempt to predict future fashions or technology, except when it is central to the plot. The result is that the stories look very strongly like the 1970s. In the 1970 serial The Ambassadors of Death, Sergeant Benton comments that the distress signal SOS was done away with "years ago."
  • The road fund licence (tax) disk on the Doctor's roadster, Bessie, in Robot, is dated to expire in April 1975. All registration year letters on the number plates of fairly new cars in the programmes made in the early-to-mid 1970s are contemporaneous.
  • On the occasions that money is mentioned, most amounts given correspond to those in use at the time, such as 1970's Doctor Who and the Silurians featuring pre-decimal currency whilst it costs 2 pence for a telephone call in 1976's The Seeds of Doom, even though in real life the United Kingdom adopted decimal currency in 1971 and was subject to significant inflation. In the later Battlefield, a vodka and coke, a glass of lemonade and a glass of water in a village pub costs 5 pounds (paid for with a £5 coin that, at the time of writing, is not in common circulation).
  • The technology displayed on occasion is significantly more advanced than reality. The United Kingdom has a fully functional space programme that is able to send missions to Mars and Jupiter. Of course, cyber-technology recovered after The Invasion, plus the five years of International Electromatics' retrofitting of alien technology to consumer electronic goods mentioned in that story, could well have accelerated progress beyond that of our contemporary Earth. Laser guns are in development in 1974's Robot and then used by UNIT in The Seeds of Doom. Many of the science establishments seen are engaged in extremely advanced research. Sarah Jane Smith and Jo Grant both seemed to believe that interstellar travel was close to being developed (Invasion of the Dinosaurs and Colony in Space respectively) but by the time of Aliens of London the British are then new to aliens and by The Christmas Invasion London and UNIT have sent off their first space probe to Mars.
  • The BBC has a third channel, BBC 3, in 1971's The Dæmons. In 1971, the BBC had only two channels (though had aspirations to launch a third channel in subsequent years). The actual BBC Three, a digital television channel, was only launched in 2003.
  • In The Sontaran Stratagem, the Doctor says he worked for UNIT in "the 1970s, or was it the 80s?", a reference to this controversy.

Off-screen evidence

Published books, contemporary interviews, publicity material and behind the scenes documents all point to a degree of uncertainty amongst the production team as well. For example:

  • The Radio Times and an announcement at the start of the original transmission of the first episode of The Invasion state that the story takes place in 1975. Announcements and publicity material were normally produced by the series' production office, usually by the script editor.
  • In a pair of 1969 interviews then-producer Derrick Sherwin and newly cast Doctor Jon Pertwee told the press that the series (and thus the UNIT stories) would be set in a near future time when things such as space stations would become reality, with Pertwee confirming this would be in the 1980s.
  • A recorded but unused line in 1971's The Claws of Axos discusses comets due in the period 1969-1975, strongly pointing to an early 1970s setting for the story. By this time Sherwin had moved on as producer.
  • The 1983 story Mawdryn Undead was originally written with a different former companion in mind and much has been made of how this generated the UNIT dating "mistake", though other early 1980s stories and the above mentioned guide support Mawdryn Undead's dating of the story.
  • The "official" in-universe UNIT website produced by the BBC for the 2005 series notes in its history section that UNIT was formed in 1968 in response to the "London Underground" incident (The Web of Fear), and in its news section that 25th January 2005 was the 35th anniversary of UNIT's involvement in "Project Waxwork" (the concluding episode of Spearhead from Space was broadcast on 24th January, 1970). These would date the stories as being contemporaneous with their original broadcast. With a joking nod to the fan controversy over dating of the original stories, the site also notes that "[UNIT] quickly expanded, making our presence felt in a golden period that spanned the sixties, the seventies, and, some would say, the eighties."

Other Media

Spin-off stories in other media have also offered dates for the UNIT stories but have had little success in producing a clear answer:

  • The sequel, 1996's The Ghosts of N-Space, which is set again around the last Third Doctor stories, sees the sighting of a comet which appears every "157 years" and which was last seen in "1818", making the year 1975.
  • In the Big Finish Productions audio play UNIT: The Coup, the now-General Sir Alistair Lethbridge-Stewart states that UNIT has been fighting alien invasions for forty years, and that he "put down" a Silurian base thirty years before. Of course, these could be approximations, and there is no indication as to which year The Coup takes place.

References

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