Talk:Revolution of the Daleks (TV story)

Re: Davros etc

Do we really need a source for a fan rumor when these things get spread on social media so much these days? I can find one, but one single source might seem like a mountain out of a molehill kind of thing. Najawin ☎ 22:22, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

That rumour doesn't sound even remotely serious, if you ask me. WaltK ☎ 23:00, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Pretty sure it was a NMD rumor promoted by some really, uh, creepy people. But it existed and wasn't a meme rumor from what I recall. Najawin ☎ 23:06, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

And I mean, at the end of the day, Myths are only noteworthy if they gain some form of notoriety within the fandom/internet before an episode airs. If a single user post a theory and barely anyone else sees/shares it, then Myths would consist of thousands and thousands of random entries. One could say that they think a Dalek-Cyberman-Sontaran-Pting-War would happen and then the Coal Hill defenders would come to assist the Fam stop it, but that doesn't mean it should feasibly be an entry.

As I see it, it's less about proving the Myth existed, and more proving why we should care about covering it. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 23:07, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Sure. I definitely saw a lot about it. But it's hard to really document how notable a rumor is unless an external source covers it. There's a DAVIS video that references it, for instance, but it's not like that's looking in on the fandom from outside, so that's hardly a help. Hence why I don't think a single source is exactly helpful unless it's from a very mainstream website. Najawin ☎ 23:11, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Dating

Okay, just going back and forth on this over edit summaries will take us nowhere. Let's try going for a discussion on the talk page instead.

• The events of Resolution are firmly set on 1 January 2019. Dalek reaches surface, the Fam defeats it and blah blah blah.
• Then, around 6 hours later (as shown in Revolution) it's casing gets transported and stolen. Jack and Jo arrange for the production of a Defence Drone. The Drone is produced and tested on a protest, after which Jo asks for more Drones to be produced (and Jack gives a timeframe of 1 year for them to be produced).
• Yes, the Doctor may have aimed to take the fam to 2020, but we all know how reliable the Doctor is with flying TARDISes (I mean, on this very episode, she arrived 10 months late, and she wasn't in a hurry, unlike she was back when she programmed the TARDIS back in Timeless Children).

Well, anyway, all that said, unless I am missing something here, the story is intended to take place in 2020, not 2021. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 23:07, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Actually, forget a bit of what I said above, the Drone being built and tested in a single day isn't really feasible. It's much more likely that the testing is around late 2019, and then the main plot of Revolution is during 2021 itself. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 23:27, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

The possibility of the Doctor accidentally sending them back to 2019 rather than 2020 at the end of TTC is simply not feasible because it would be an absolute disaster for their timelines. There’s no way the Fam would be able to continue their normal lives in Sheffield without clashing with their past selves, or confusing the hell out of their family and friends. WaltK ☎ 23:37, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Dating again

For that matter, can we really be certain the exact date is 1 January? Unless I'm forgetting or not noticing some other bit of evidence, the only indication of it being the new year is Graham wishing Yaz a "Happy New Year". That doesn't necessarily mean it is currently New Years Day; maybe Ryan and Graham hadn't gotten around to visiting Yaz until the day after, or a few days later? I believe people still say "Happy New Year" to others that they may not have gotten to see during the occasion. At the very least, I'd have put a "circa" in front of the date. WaltK ☎ 23:52, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Yaz actually asks "when was it New Year?" implying New Year has arrived and gone and she was working and completely missed it - it certainly places the episode after New Years. HarryPotterRules1 ☎ 00:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm actually not sure we've got a date other than "21st century" at all? Like, it's near the beginning of a year and 10 months after The Timeless Children - which is undated - and about a year after the "drone test" which could be any time at all after Resolution. Constonks ☎ 03:54, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

WC: The Defence Drones gives us 01/01/2021 as the planned in-universe release date of Robertson's Defence Drones. Surely that's good enough? (I readily interpreted Yaz's comment as a joke about her having lost track of time, such that she daftly assumes that New Year's already passed when actually it is New Year's Day.) Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 03:01, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Cyberman cameo

Can anyone see the supposed Cyberman that is in the prison scene? I think I'm seeing a The Dark Dimension Cyberman in the overall shot.--Editoronthewiki ☎ 21:05, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

While I haven't seen a clear shot of the Cyberman in the prison (though I'm pretty sure the shot in question is that high-angle showcasing the dozens of cells connected to the Doctor's), I very strongly doubt that said Cyberman would be from The Dark Dimension. It would most likely be a Cyber-Warrior from Ascension of the Cybermen and The Timeless Children. CyberFoundries900 ☎ 21:10, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

John Bishop?

Why isn't John Bishop listed in the cast for this episode? I know he doesn't speak but he did have an "introducing" credit so I think he should be included.MystExplorer ☎ 15:18, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

The TV spot to which you refer was broadcast with a BBC ident sandwiched in-between the end credits of Revolution and it, so it should not be construed as part of Revolution, but rather, if anything, a minisode in its own right. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 15:23, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I see. I watched the episode on BBC America which showed the scene immediately after the episode. But if it is a minisode, then we should probably make a page for it. MystExplorer ☎ 15:46, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

This seems like a situation similar to Friend from the Future or Meet the Thirteenth Doctor in that the page for the "minisode" should only be created after the spoilery content within them is no longer spoilery. Also, the mention of this actor is technically a violation of T:SPOIL. Borisashton ☎ 16:34, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

That depends on whether we consider the minisode to be a trailer or not. I don't believe it's been labelled as such. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 16:41, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Main enemy

I was going to change it straight away per policy of only having a single enemy in the infobox (hence the "main enemy" input) but I decided to ask for wider editor opinion first.

Who is more fitting as the "main enemy" in the infobox for this episode: the Recon Dalek or the Death Squad leader? Personally, I think the Recon Dalek because they played the primary role in causing the events of the episode to occur, were the one's who launched the main attack on the people of Earth and the TARDIS group and had a longer run time in the episode. Further, the Death Squad and their Daleks came in less as an enemy force and more like an ally to the Doctor and company per the fact they came in to help the Doctor defeat the Recon Dalek's own army.

So, thoughts anyone? Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 10:53, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree that the Recon Dalek would be more fitting as the "main" enemy, though I am not opposed to listing both. LauraBatham ☎ 12:21, 15 January 2021 (UTC)