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About your last words: for me, the answer of "Doctor who?" was given by River Song, but the question is not the prophecy, it is at best only a part of it: the prophecy isn't "doctor who?" but "the question 'doctor who?' must never be answered on Trenzalore at the fall of the Eleventh". So for now, the remaining question is nomore "doctor who?" but "''why'' this answer must never be answered, what happens if it is?", because River did answered, and the prophecy sort of "failed". And then yes, the prophecy could be related to the fact that, when the question is answered, the thing the Doctor has been running from all his life happens and is bad for everyone. | About your last words: for me, the answer of "Doctor who?" was given by River Song, but the question is not the prophecy, it is at best only a part of it: the prophecy isn't "doctor who?" but "the question 'doctor who?' must never be answered on Trenzalore at the fall of the Eleventh". So for now, the remaining question is nomore "doctor who?" but "''why'' this answer must never be answered, what happens if it is?", because River did answered, and the prophecy sort of "failed". And then yes, the prophecy could be related to the fact that, when the question is answered, the thing the Doctor has been running from all his life happens and is bad for everyone. | ||
''(and that's why I'm not found of Steven Moffat's style: all the "Whouniverse" seems to be in orbit around the Doctor, the individual, whereas I prefered when I had the feeling that the universe was a dynamic thing in which the Doctor only participates (that, and believable/endearing companions))'' [[User:Tepec|Tepec]] [[User talk:Tepec|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:29, November 7, 2013 (UTC)Tepec | ''(and that's why I'm not found of Steven Moffat's style: all the "Whouniverse" seems to be in orbit around the Doctor, the individual, whereas I prefered when I had the feeling that the universe was a dynamic thing in which the Doctor only participates (that, and believable/endearing companions))'' [[User:Tepec|Tepec]] [[User talk:Tepec|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:29, November 7, 2013 (UTC)Tepec | ||
No worries. Father's Day in particular was unclear in my memory until I decided to do my recap session. Until then I could read all sorts of comments here and have no idea what people were saying. Anything past Flesh And Stone I'm still a bit lost though obviously more recent is easier. | |||
1.You've misunderstood what "Silence Will Fall" was understood to mean. It was taken, by the Doctor and Dorium as the requirement to kill the Doctor before he reached Trenzalore, thus putting his grave somewhere near Lake Silencio. It doesn't speak directly to what the Doctor might find there, nothing does until The Name Of The Doctor. | |||
2.Everyone is confused about fixed time and paradoxes. Mainly paradoxes, that's why they're paradoxes. | |||
OK, River answered Doctor Simeon's question which as phrased first was "what is your name?" That was what he wanted to know, the key to the tomb. He also asked "Doctor who?" three times because informal language takes them as the same question but they're not. In Hide the Doctor is rather put out when he is asked Doctor, what because it's not the question but it is grammatically correct. Simeon asks "what is your name?" He doesn't ask "who is your name?" that wouldn't be correct because "who?" is actually a different question to "what?" They're not really interchangeable. No one cares about this in casual conversation but if you're in a position "where no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer" (something we have not yet seen) then it becomes a bit more important because the answer is true as long as it is equal to the question but the Doctor's name isn't. | |||
Again at the end the Doctor spelled it out using Clara as, to borrow a phrase from a member this idea was discussed with, audience surrogate. He tells her directly "My real name that's not the point. He is my secret" By the time he utters the last sentence Clara has fainted so it is entirely for our benefit, she doesn't hear it. Usually I hate it when shows do that but this works because the Doctor feels compelled to finish what he is saying. | |||
This is the point, Steven Moffat uses this opportunity to break the lie he was telling by evasion. He never said the Doctor's greatest secret was his name he just allowed us to assume it a dropped little signposts in that direction. It wasn't actually true. | |||
Remember also Moffat's position is that the whoniverse was always in orbit around the Doctor, around his enigma and then they gave too much away and lost it. He believes he's restoring order.[[User:DCT|DCT]] [[User talk:DCT|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:14, November 7, 2013 (UTC) | |||
