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But while at Division, the Doctor gets a rundown on Division, more importantly where they are stationed, we are shown a hologram of | But while at Division, the Doctor gets a rundown on Division, more importantly where they are stationed, we are shown a hologram of | ||
<blockquote>Tecteun: ...the universe as you know it. Universe One, if you like. </blockquote> | <blockquote>Tecteun: ...the universe as you know it. Universe One, if you like. </blockquote> | ||
[[File:The universe as the Doctor knows it. | [[File:The universe as the Doctor knows it.jpg|thumb|The universe as The Doctor knows it]] | ||
This hologram only shows a section of the universe, but it's enough to understand what the original universe looked like. | This hologram only shows a section of the universe, but it's enough to understand what the original universe looked like. | ||
Then, later in the episode, Division Ood shows us the universe as it at that time looked like. Very, very similar to what the original universe looked like, but with Flux particles on the edge of the universe. In the script for the episode, this hologram has been described as <blockquote>The Ood looks at her -- blinks a couple of times again -- and then activates a map which appears as a hologram in the air. A black mass is moving slowly across the map of tiny stars and planets.</blockquote> | Then, later in the episode, Division Ood shows us the universe as it at that time looked like. Very, very similar to what the original universe looked like, but with Flux particles on the edge of the universe. In the script for the episode, this hologram has been described as <blockquote>The Ood looks at her -- blinks a couple of times again -- and then activates a map which appears as a hologram in the air. A black mass is moving slowly across the map of tiny stars and planets.</blockquote> | ||
[[File:The Universe | [[File:The Universe Post-Flux.jpg|thumb|The Universe Post-Flux]] | ||
I believe that this "black mass" is what the flux particles are here, representing what has been destroyed! | I believe that this "black mass" is what the flux particles are here, representing what has been destroyed! | ||
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So all that is destroyed is "many galaxies", a number that based on the visual cues via hologram, seems to be around the 10% mark. | So all that is destroyed is "many galaxies", a number that based on the visual cues via hologram, seems to be around the 10% mark. | ||
Anyway, thank you for coming to my Ted Talk. | Anyway, thank you for coming to my Ted Talk. [[User:DoctorWhoHugh|DoctorWhoHugh]] [[User talk:DoctorWhoHugh|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:09, 31 October 2022 (UTC) | ||
: I don't think your interpretation is correct. ''[[Survivors of the Flux (TV story)|Survivors of the Flux]]'' contains this exchange: | : I don't think your interpretation is correct. ''[[Survivors of the Flux (TV story)|Survivors of the Flux]]'' contains this exchange: | ||
:: [[Thirteenth Doctor|Doctor]]: "Sorry, which part of the universe is this?" | :: [[Thirteenth Doctor|Doctor]]: "Sorry, which part of the universe is this?" | ||
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:: [[Thirteenth Doctor|Doctor]]: "No!? There's nowhere near ''enough'' of it." | :: [[Thirteenth Doctor|Doctor]]: "No!? There's nowhere near ''enough'' of it." | ||
: Certainly the Universe wasn't ''entirely'' destroyed (because the First Flux Event was interrupted and the Final Flux Event barely happened), but what the First Event destroyed is clearly ''much'' more than 10% of the universe. The Doctor would hardly mistake 90% of the universe or so for a "part" of the universe, or say that it was ''nowhere near enough'' to be the whole of the universe. It sounds like it can't be much more than a third. Of course, the universe is still huge enough for "a third of it or less" to still be extremely huge. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 14:27, 30 October 2022 (UTC) | : Certainly the Universe wasn't ''entirely'' destroyed (because the First Flux Event was interrupted and the Final Flux Event barely happened), but what the First Event destroyed is clearly ''much'' more than 10% of the universe. The Doctor would hardly mistake 90% of the universe or so for a "part" of the universe, or say that it was ''nowhere near enough'' to be the whole of the universe. It sounds like it can't be much more than a third. Of course, the universe is still huge enough for "a third of it or less" to still be extremely huge. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 14:27, 30 October 2022 (UTC) | ||
:: Firstly, I just wanted to say thanks for being so respectful btw! Sometimes on line (twitter specifically) this fandom can be... anything but! Back to the main topic of discussion, I do get what you are saying, but like I said, the universe had been rearranged, so of course she wouldn't recognise it. and the Division Ood said "many galaxies", if it was over 50% he would've said "most galaxies", meaning it's at least 50% remaining, but the hologram clearly shows at a push 80% remaining. If you are shown 80% of the Mona Lisa, and told it's the entire painting, the response would be along the lines of "How much of the Mona Lisa is this? no, there's nowhere near enough of it". You are right though that even if 30 percent survived it would still be more than enough, but I genuinely believe that it's around the 80% mark. | |||
:: I actually really liked how they didn't restore the universe, it brought back a sense of stakes, and following up this special with one where the Doctor is hunted, makes it feel less like a "oh that section of the story is over" and more like a "that's a real thing that happened" But that's just my opinion on it. | |||
::Back to the primary topic, essentially, I'd argue that at the bare... '''''<u>BARE</u>''''' minimum, 50% remains, in all likelihood I personally think it would be more than that. [[User:DoctorWhoHugh|DoctorWhoHugh]] [[User talk:DoctorWhoHugh|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:09, 31 October 2022 (UTC) | |||
