Talk:Doctor Who Magazine (in-universe)

Name

As for the name, I can just about make out the letters "M" "z" and "e". It's quite obvious it spells out Magazine.

Epsilon 📯 📂

23:46, November 8, 2020 (UTC)

But is it? T:NO RW, my friend. if someone who knew nothing about Doctor Who whatsoever was told this spelled "Maze-engine" or whatever, I think they'd believe it. Thread:272817 may change our coverage of this specific case, but until we get something straightened out there, it is correct that we abide by the letter of T:NO RW. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 23:50, November 8, 2020 (UTC)

I actually find it substantially easier to read "Maga" than I do to read a Z or an E, due to, uh, recent events. But I think this is the problem. It's so blurry that while we can recover some of it, since we know what to look for, someone who didn't know might not. But I guess more specifically, the naming of this thing actually did come up in Thread:272817, so while I guess I can cede that creating the page as you did is fine (per the principle of "all pages have to be named something"), the conjecture tag does seem to be T:BOUND as well. Najawin ☎ 23:58, November 8, 2020 (UTC)

Seriously though, it seems rather pedantic to say it could spell anything else. We have "m" "a" "g" "a" "z" _ _ "e" worked out, so I'm struggling to see the issue calling this Doctor Who Magazine. I completely understand T:NO RW, but aren't we going a bit far? Ome last thing? How is this supposed to help the readers of this page? "Oh here's a magazine that's quite clearly Doctor Who Magazine, but as the resolution of the webcast is a bit crappy, we can't call it that."

Epsilon 📯 📂

00:04, November 9, 2020 (UTC)

I should note, since @Najawin mentioned the discussion of this specific page in Thread:272817, that I retract my earlier statements on the matter on that thread. If we already had a source for the name "Doctor Who Magazine" in N-Space, I would unequivocally support covering accounts of "DWM alias Doctor Who somethingsomething" on the same page as it. But since then it turned out Doctor Who Magazine (The Thief of Sherwood) was from a different universe than N-Space so that this is not, actually, the case.

@Epsilon, the fact that a straightforward application of T:NO RW produces these weird and counterproductive results in these edge-cases is precisely what is at stake at Thread:272817. The argument you are making is a good one, but it's something for that thread, and until that thread is resolved, T:BOUND applies here. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 00:06, November 9, 2020 (UTC)

You all must have better devices than I do, I cannot make out a single letter other than the DWM underneath. PoolsideJazz ☎ 00:09, November 9, 2020 (UTC)

Epsilon. You and I together have that worked out. But it's not obvious that any non biased observer who doesn't already know what they're looking for would work it out. As Scrooge said, I agree with the points you're making. That's why I started the thread in question. I think loosening T:NO RW just enough that we can actually "cover the joke" in the in universe section is a good thing. But that's still not something we've resolved. Najawin ☎ 00:11, November 9, 2020 (UTC)

@PoolsideJazz - The image on the Wiki is one that has been compressed to under 100kb as per the image policy. The uncompressed image is easier to read, so if it's alright with the admins, can I upload an image of it that exceeds 100kb for this discussion?

As for the thread, it's now a joke we don't have the forums. We need those damn things back ASAP.

Epsilon 📯 📂

00:15, November 9, 2020 (UTC)

Here's what I believe is the original image. source, as per Creative Commons - Attributions-ShareAlike.

Oh dear lord it changes color each time, I need to rewrite the BTS section. Regardless, that's not the in universe source, so it's not really relevant. Najawin ☎ 00:38, November 9, 2020 (UTC)

We do have a precedent situations like this though. Check out the pages for Coal Hill School Roll of Honours Board and Tudor.

Epsilon 📯 📂

00:43, November 9, 2020 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to in the first case, having looked at it. The second case was never discussed in a talk page and is a clear violation of T:NO RW as well, so that just seems like a page we need to correct. Najawin ☎ 00:46, November 9, 2020 (UTC)

What I'm referring to is that in both pages there are hard to see details that have been completed by looking at the real world prop. The application of T:NO RW NEEDS needs to be slackened, as nobody is benefiting from it's pedantic and extreme usage. We know what the information is. The Doctor Who universe characters know what the information is. It's yet another problem with this Wiki having extremely absurd rules. When we get the forums back, I feel a Panopticon thread about T:NO RW needs to be opened.

Epsilon 📯 📂

00:52, November 9, 2020 (UTC)

Epsilon. I agree with you. And a thread is open. It just can't be contributed to because the forums are frozen. But until it's closed we can't do anything. Najawin ☎ 00:54, November 9, 2020 (UTC)

A Letter from the Doctor

While I welcome the broader coverage of A Letter from the Doctor (short story) to this wiki, it seems clearly a violation of T:NO RW to assume that it and what's present in The Zygon Isolation (webcast) are referring to the same thing. So at best we now need to make a new page for 'DWM (The Zygon Isolation)' Epsilon, I don't think this solves the issue at all. Najawin ☎ 21:25, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Najawin, I applaud your enthusiasm but this is silly and I'm with Epsilon this time around. We have historically put different, sometimes incompletely-named accounts of the same real-life thing on the same page. See, for example, the fact that Nikita Khrushchev is a single page, not one page for "Nikita Krushchev", one page for "Kruschev (Time and Relativ)", etc., despite most accounts failing to mention his first name, and/or using different spellings. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 21:33, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Eh. Fair enough. Najawin ☎ 21:35, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

And it's worth noting that A Letter from the Doctor uses both "Doctor Who Magazine" and "DWM".

Epsilon 📯 📂

21:43, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

That's more than sufficient. When either of you have the time, I've started a discussion at Template talk: Doctor Who that both of your input would be appreciated for. Najawin ☎ 22:07, 29 December 2020 (UTC)