Talk:Liv Chenka

Seventh Doctor's companion

Why remove her as Seventh Doctor's companion? I'd say she definitely acted as the (one-off) companion in Robophobia. If we count, say, Evelyn Chan or Astrid Peth as companions, I see no reason not to count Liv. JagoAndLitefoot ☎ 09:47, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Century category

What's the evidence for Liv being from the 30th century? It's only referenced in the categories, and not in the main article itself. Danochy ☎ 07:10, October 8, 2019 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing, so I did a little digging and that information was added shortly after the page was created and seems based on the same rationale regarding Robophobia's timeline placement discussed here on Robophobia's talk page and was removed as being speculation. Toqgers ☎ 02:00, February 13, 2020 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Well found! On that matter, there may be some evidence to place Robophobia in the 29th century, given that PROSE: Corpse Marker is set in 2887. I quote from the Corpse Maker continuity section:

"AUDIO: Checkmate which is set 3 years and 30 days after this novel, states that it been 10 years since the events of TV: The Robots of Death, which means that 7 years have passed on Kaldor since the Doctor and Leela last visited the planet."

Given that Robophobia is set not long after The Robots of Death, we may be able to place Liv's century at least approximately, and who knows what information may show up as Liv's story continues. Something to keep in mind, anyway. Danochy ☎ 03:44, February 13, 2020 (UTC)

I guess the real question is whether Big Finish is rolling with what was established there wrt timeline or just doing their own thing! "Continuity" can be a bit... *waves hands vaguely* when it comes to Doctor Who, after all :P It would check out with the fact Liv's time period is well after the 21st century and how she encountered the Kandyman in her own century, some time after The Happiness Patrol, which the Doctor said was 24th century in Daleks Among Us Toqgers ☎ 04:35, February 13, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, all good points and on top of that Big Finish have previously indicated an approximate time period of Liv. I noted down this quote from AUDIO: Eyes of the Master a while back, a story set in the 1970s:

LIV: Oh, it's just that… it's just that my life doesn't feel like my own. The Orpheus, Ides Mission Control in a thousand years time. You really think it's all being run by the same organisation?

So that does at least show that Big Finish seem to have converged on the same dates - approximately the 30th century - whether by chance or influence from the previous works. I definitely agree with the hand-wavy aspect of DW continuity though :P, but if we can find a solid and un-contradicted source for a setting, then that can only benefit the wiki's coverage. Danochy ☎ 06:25, February 13, 2020 (UTC)

Nice catch! I also noticed Helen says in AUDIO Deeptime Frontier that Liv is from somewhere in between her time and the 35th century where Daria Visteron is from, so there's another point in favor of Big Finish's Voc robot stories using a similar time period. Fingers crossed we get something more specific from Stranded or The Robots! Toqgers ☎ 00:12, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

It does seem pretty conclusive! I'm definitely hoping for a solid time-related reference to The Robots of Death. Danochy ☎ 03:44, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

Infobox image

I'd like to suggest this image for Liv's infobox. It is better quality and more recent. -- Saxon (✉️) 13:56, October 12, 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the recent change of the infobox image of Liv (and Lucie Miller and Charlotte Pollard)

• 1) was there ever a discussion for that?
• 2) I know User:Shambala108 recently removed a series of images from the Monk with the rationale "covers may also be potential sources for in-universe imagery, but only when no other source has an image to offer". While kind of true that we "have" a depiction of "Liv" and the other two on Vortex Butterflies (comic story) and The Good Companion (comic story), that's all they are: kind of true. Neither Charley, nor Liv or Lucie appear in those stories, only manifestations of them appear. IMO, that would be exactly the same scenario as us using an image of The Caves of Androzani (TV story) to depict Adric, Vislor Turlough, Tegan Jovanka, etc. or The Time of the Doctor (TV story) for Amy Pond Those charecter do not appear in Caves and Time at all.
• 3) Surely there is an exception to every rule on the universe. Even if we were to consider that a manifestation of Charley, Lucie and Liv appear on those comic stories, do we really want to replace a high quality image from an audio cover with a low quality cropping of a single panel from a comic story (where the characters faces are almost unrecognisable?) OncomingStorm12th ☎ 21:29, October 20, 2019 (UTC)

As this hasn’t been revisited since October, I just want to say that I completely agree with everything said above. These comic images shouldn’t be used on the info box. There’s not a lot more I can add that OncomingStorm12th hasn’t already said, but I’m completely in agreement here and it needs more discussion. SarahJaneFan ☎ 13:22, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, not a lot more that can be said other than that I also agree with all of the above. I agree with the sentiment of the original change to the comic image - to bring attention to a related discussion - however I disagree with the methods, which T:POINT forbids. Danochy ☎ 21:34, March 20, 2020 (UTC)