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CzechOut

This contest has been concluded. If you wish to talk about the results, please go to this thread. A copy of the final tally at the time of closure can be found here.

If there's one thing Doctor Who fans love, it's expressing their preference. Polls, forums, podcasts — you name it, we'll jump in line to be a part of it. Doctor Who Magazine, of course, has been measuring fan opinion at the end of every season since Tom Baker was the Doctor. So we here at Wikia wanted to start our very own tradition. Call 'em the Tardis Community Choice Awards, if ya like. Or maybe even the Golden Tardis Awards.^[1]

Who will win the golden TARDIS?

Heck, it don't matter. The point is that we've created ten awards categories for you to vote on. And we've placed them within three sections for three types of fan: casual, obsessive and rabid. The further you go down on the list, the more likely it is that you'll need to have a deeper knowledge of Doctor Who.

So there's something for every level of fan in these awards. Whether you've been watching since Matt Smith or William Hartnell, you'll probably find a category here that'll tickle your brain and spark conversation!

So have fun voting! Just make sure that your votes are in by 2 June 2014. After that, the whole event gets time locked and ya can't play any more!

Casual

Best costume

If you chose to take a look, you may have gotten excited by the new suit Peter Capaldi is gonna rock. But we haven't really seen that costume in action yet. So which of these following past Doctors has the best threads?

<poll> Which past Doctor has the best clothes? Four Eight Nine Ten Eleven Five </poll>

Most faithful friend

Which companion of the modern era have you enjoyed most. Not who was the best for the Doctor or the best written or anything complicated like that. Just tell us which one you like hangin' with most.

<poll> Who's your favourite companion of the modern era? Rose Martha Donna Amy Rory Clara </poll>

Best use of classic opponents

One of the perennial tasks of the current Doctor Who producers is to find a way to adapt 40-year-old monsters to the modern day. Which alien do you think got the best revamp?

<poll> Which old school baddie is the best in the modern series? Daleks Zygons Cybermen Ice Warriors Silurians Sontarans </poll>

Best regeneration

Regeneration makes for some of the best Doctor Who. But which regeneration scene do you think did it better than any other?

<poll> Which Doctor had the best exit? Ten Nine Eleven Four Five Seven </poll>

Obsessive

To answer these questions, you're going to need to know a little bit more about the programme. Still, most of you should find these pretty plain sailing!

Best location filming

Though often studio-bound, Doctor Who does sometimes bust out for a bit of location filming. Where do you think the location was used to best effect?

We'll always have Paris.
Seville Row.
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Amsterdam Special.
Cheating in Croatia
True Grit
Spanish Spaghetti

<poll> Which story got the most bang for its location filming buck? City of Death The Two Doctors Arc of Infinity Vincent and the Doctor The Impossible Astronaut A Town Called Mercy </poll>

Best companion exit

Almost as moving as the regeneration of a Doctor is the departure of a companion. Which of these televised ends hit you the hardest?

<poll> Which companion had the best farewell? Rose Martha Donna Jo Sarah Susan </poll>

Best TV story

There are a ton of ways to have chosen a list of the best Doctor Who stories. We've cheated and used most of the top of Doctor Who Magazine's list from 2009, with a few from Matt Smith's era sprinkled in.

<poll> What's the best televised story? City of Death The Talons of Weng-Chiang The Caves of Androzani Inferno The War Games The Five Doctors Blink Genesis of the Daleks The Empty Child The Waters of Mars The Eleventh Hour Vincent and the Doctor The Day of the Doctor The Doctor's Wife Midnight </poll>

Rabid

And now for the tough stuff. Just how well do you actually know your Doctor Who history? If you think you know the past of your favourite programme, please play through.

Best woman working for the Beeb

First up is a real doozy. Doctor Who is famous for having had a woman at the helm at the start of both major eras of the programme. And that's a great thing. But, when trying to assess which woman you think made the greatest overall contribution it's also a difficult thing.

Lorraine Heggessey
Controller of BBC One who got the ball rolling with the 2005 version of Doctor Who.
Verity Lambert
The show's original producer.
Jane Tranter
Head of BBC Drama who commissioned the 2005 version, as well as Torchwood
Julie Gardner
Co-equal With Russell T Davies, the show's most prolific producer.
Delia Derbyshire
Effective creator of the show's theme tune.
Biddy Baxter
Longtime Blue Peter chief. Promoted Doctor Who hardcore for over two decades. Preserved key lost clips, like the first regeneration.

<poll> Which of these women do you think has made the greatest contribution to Doctor Who history? Lorraine Heggessey Verity Lambert Jane Tranter Julie Gardner Delia Derbyshire Biddy Baxter </poll>

Best modern director

And now something for the film buffs. Directors have come and gone over the years, but a few have done such high profile work, they've gotten noticed by even a few casual observers. Because it wouldn't be fair to compare the modern series with the 20th century version, though, lets just concentrate on finding the best BBC Wales director:

<poll> Who directed Who best? Toby Haynes Graeme Harper Euros Lyn Nick Hurran Adam Smith Alice Troughton </poll>

Best audio

Not everyone knows that much about audio Doctor Who. But those who listen to it generally are pretty passionate about it. So for those in our community who care about audio, this question: what's the best of all time?

Dead Air
The Chimes of Midnight
Spare Parts
Jubilee
The Holy Terror
The One Doctor
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The Company of Friends
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To the Death
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A Death in the Family
Davros
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The Architects of History
Circular Time

<poll> Which audio reigns supreme? Dead Air Spare Parts The Chimes of Midnight Jubilee The Holy Terror The One Doctor The Company of Friends To the Death A Death in the Family Davros The Architects of History Circular Time </poll>

Your turn

Maybe you think something should have been nominated that wasn't. Perhaps you need to cry foul on the categories that were chosen. Or maybe you just want to talk about how difficult it was to make a choice. Feel free to use the space below to add to the conversation.

As always though, play nice and attack the point, not the person!

↑ Thanks go out to the many Tardis members who helped out with the planning, and made this bit of interactive fun possible!

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96.43.64.250
Personally, I feel Zagreus should be in the Category of Best Audio Drama. I would have voted for it if it was. The plot, the story, the power, the drama, not to mention it is the 40th Anniversary Special, and the brilliant voice acting all combine to make it an amazing story that is unforgettable.

15:51, 13 May 2014
CzechOut
Interesting! The best of audio list was largely based upon "Top Rated Stories" list at thetimescales.com, where Zagreus gets decidedly mixed reviews. For everyone who, like you, believes it's a 10/10, there are those who believe it's a 3/10 or worse. I was, however, very tempted to put its predecessor, Neverland, on the list — and felt a real pang of choice between To the Death and Dark Eyes. In the end, though, the Eighth Doctor had his fair share of nominations.

18:11, 13 May 2014
115.188.92.60
Inferno needs more votes. Much more.

06:34, 14 May 2014
Kiwifluffy1
I think the Gallifrey audio series should be there, too- it isn't the main range, but it's REALLY good. Zagreus is really good too, and so is Neverland, and Dark Eyes is awesome... Why do I have to choose!

10:33, 14 May 2014
Dragonmaster79
I'm enjoying the "Jago and Litefoot" audio series right now. Might have been worth a mention. My personal favourite TV story was "The Ark In Space", also not nominated. Plus I thought about voting for Jo Grant's exit as the best, if just to see the back of her.

15:31, 14 May 2014
OttselSpy25
No Peri? Boooo!
(For exits clearly, not for modern companions...)

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SOTO
The real question is, which Peri exit? H m m m m?

00:27, 15 May 2014
75.80.181.1
I'm surprised that Martha and Donna's departures are on here but the Ponds' aren't.I thought Amy and Rory had by far the best executed departure of any companion in the revived series.
Oh well, if I can't vote for them, I'll just vote for Susan.

03:12, 15 May 2014
Mewiet
If Eight's regeneration had been an option, I would have voted that as best regeneration.

06:18, 15 May 2014
163.1.112.19
I agree that Amy and Rory had the best companion departure.

19:14, 15 May 2014
220.239.251.201
Even though I am not talking about the same thing as all of you, I believe that there should have been a category for Doctor Who books because there are a lot of those in shops

01:43, 17 May 2014
CzechOut
That's a good point, but we wanted to keep these initial awards to largely televised Doctor Who, since we wanted to attract a diverse number of respondents.
Largely in deference to the number of Tardis members who had requested categories about non-televised Doctor Who, we did include a question about audios — but as you can see, this question is only about half as popular as the televised questions. Still, it's Big Finish's 15th anniversary of doing Doctor Who audios, and they deserve a little love!

02:01, 17 May 2014
Bootleggergamer
all the dalek shows were the EPIC but to be honest i think "genesis of the daleks" is extremely boring !!!

05:14, 17 May 2014
Variety3251
And now CzechOut,your huge message is stupid. Why have you done this?

06:27, 17 May 2014
Waterdrops
There should be a question on coolest theme version. (Though theme S5-7 would have taken it. I bet.)

19:10, 17 May 2014
CzechOut

Variety3251 wrote: And now CzechOut,your huge message is stupid. Why have you done this?

Howdy! Thanks for your feedback! How would you like to see it improved? What specifically do you find "stupid" about it?

04:20, 18 May 2014
Variety3251
It was my first edit on the wiki. Please do not block me. Let me enjoy!

07:58, 18 May 2014
Variety3251

CzechOut wrote:

Variety3251 wrote: And now CzechOut,your huge message is stupid. Why have you done this?

Howdy! Thanks for your feedback! How would you like to see it improved? What specifically do you find "stupid" about it?

It was in a thread! Not in a page!

07:59, 18 May 2014
CzechOut

Variety3251 wrote: It was in a thread! Not in a page!

Ahhh, I see. Yes, there are two technical things at work here, both of which are long-standing community decisions.
In the first place, we long ago decided not to employ article comments — which appear at the bottom of pages — but instead to keep the somewhat "old schooL" talk pages. That means that if we put this awards programme on a normal page, people would have to go to a physically separate page to comment on it. That's obviously undesirable.
In the second, we voted to close our blog feature some years ago, largely because it was attracting much more spam than interesting comment. The blog namespace has the advantage of allowing comments under the initial post, even though you haven't enabled article comments generally.
So with both of these features eliminated, the best spot for these awards on the wiki is a forum thread. In fact, it's not really so different from a blog post at all, and quoting other people is maybe slightly easier. Certainly it's a lot easier to attract people's attention to a thread than to a blog post, because you can highlight the thread, but not the blog post.

13:45, 18 May 2014
Variety3251
I'm soo sorry.

13:48, 18 May 2014
190.195.242.78
Sad The Ponds Aren't There...
But Donna's Was AWESOME too!

15:49, 18 May 2014
173.70.31.215
Captain Jack should have been in the companions he's my favorite

20:10, 18 May 2014
Dr. Anonymous1
To be honest, I think that "Day of the Doctor" was a bit overrated here. Not saying it's a bad episode - far from it, I think it was the best we could have hoped for from a 50th-anniversary episode; while I was skeptical about there being only two Doctors featuring prominently, I think Moffat made the right choice there, and all of the nods to the classic series were handled beautifully.
Personally, though, I would argue that Genesis of the Daleks was a far more powerful episode, trumping it in terms of story and especially in terms of how the villains were handled. For one thing, it was a lot grittier and more realistic, and made the Daleks a very credible threat - which is more than Moffat's ever done with them, to be honest. That was one of my main problems with "Day of the Doctor" - for a Time "War", we didn't really see much exterminating on-screen. Sure, you got ships firing on cities, but in order to make a villain threatening, you have to show them killing PERSONALLY - and for all the times the Daleks squawked "exterminate" in that episode (and every other Moffat Dalek episode), not ONCE did we see them actually shoot and kill someone. They usually just stand around talking about their plans only to all be blown up by the Doctor for one big happy ending.
That's why Genesis was more powerful and thought-provoking than "Day of the Doctor" - not only did it portray a more in-depth look at war, but it also subverted our expectations and made us question who was right and who was wrong.

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98.223.166.88
Best People that are not companions, but travel with the doctor.

20:56, 18 May 2014
98.215.246.183
There is no article named "Can we PLEASE take dead air off the audio list. It's an absolute joke thats winning over the cream of the big finish crop. It's just new series fans, that have never heard an audio voting for the one with a new series doctor on the cover

22:22, 18 May 2014
CzechOut
Don't forget that Dead Air is an award-winning audio. It won Best Audiobook of the Year in 2010 by the patrons of The Audiobook Store in Britain, in which it was in competition against non-Doctor Who material. It beat out "proper" literature, such as a recent recording of Animal Farm and The Cellist of Sarajevo and War Horse, not to mention non-fiction like Andrew Marr's The Making of Modern Britain.^[1] So if consumers of audiobooks are recognising it as a great work, it's reasonable that it go on the list. If you haven't heard it, you're missing out on a truly stunning single-person audiobook performance by Tennant.
1. ↑ Wayback Machine: show us what's behind door #2, please!
17:10, 19 May 2014
Spartan Jack 17
Maybe there should be a "best music" section?

00:03, 20 May 2014
79.112.215.48
Why no Jack? He's my favorite companion from the new series. I guess I'll have to vote for Rose then.

11:20, 20 May 2014
TheReturnOfTheKing
What about soundtracks? There should be a soundtrack section. Trouble is, there are too many really amazing tracks to decide.
Also - was the 7th Doctor one seriously an option, or just a joke?

17:52, 20 May 2014
TheReturnOfTheKing

98.223.166.88 wrote: Best People that are not companions, but travel with the doctor.

Recurring characters. Yeah, forgot about that.
I'd have to say either River or Captain Jack, but since Jack was a companion, he probably doesn't count.

17:55, 20 May 2014
104.32.214.184

96.43.64.250 wrote: Personally, I feel Zagreus should be in the Category of Best Audio Drama. I would have voted for it if it was. The plot, the story, the power, the drama, not to mention it is the 40th Anniversary Special, and the brilliant voice acting all combine to make it an amazing story that is unforgettable.

Scream of the Shalka was the fortieth anniversary special, too. And, maybe, Shada.

17:54, 22 May 2014
104.32.214.184

TheReturnOfTheKing wrote:

98.223.166.88 wrote: Best People that are not companions, but travel with the doctor.

Recurring characters. Yeah, forgot about that. Melody Pond, who chose the name 'River Song', was a companion. I'd have to say either River or Captain Jack, but since Jack was a companion, he probably doesn't count.

17:55, 22 May 2014
104.32.214.184

104.32.214.184 wrote:

TheReturnOfTheKing wrote:

98.223.166.88 wrote: Best People that are not companions, but travel with the doctor.

Recurring characters. Yeah, forgot about that. Melody Pond, who chose the name 'River Song', was a companion. I'd have to say either River or Captain Jack, but since Jack was a companion, he probably doesn't count.

I messed up the formatting.

17:56, 22 May 2014
CzechOut

TheReturnOfTheKing wrote: What about ...

Thanks for all your suggestions of categories! It's good to see that you care enough to comment! Unfortunately, we had to draw the line at ten awards categories, otherwise the post would have never gotten published! We tried to choose from the suggestions that had been made at our planning thread, so that a wide range of people's thoughts were included.

TheReturnOfTheKing wrote: ... was the 7th Doctor one seriously an option, or just a joke?

If you mean the "best regeneration" category, yeah, it was a serious option. After all, it is an unusually long farewell, and a major part of the plot of that story.
And — read this how you will — I know I for one stood up and applauded when the Seventh Doctor got shot.
I think it's one of the few regenerations that actually says something interesting about the outgoing incarnation. I mean, Seven is known for his multilevelled, brinksmanship kind of thinking, but then he's simply gunned down upon exiting the TARDIS. And as if that weren't ironic enough, the Doctor is then killed by a doctor. It's a far cry from Planet of the Spiders, where the most fearless of the Doctors makes up some guff about having to "face [my] fears" — including a hitherto unmentioned phobia of spiders. It's also far more interesting than Six's demise or Two simply being adjudicated to death.
To my mind, Seven's death is the most realistic of the lot, barring One's passage due to old age. It's something that really should happen far more often. The TARDIS should materialise at the wrong place and time more often, and the Doctor's latter-day smugness about the dangers outside the door should be met with more disaster than it is.

19:14, 22 May 2014
CzechOut

79.112.215.48 wrote: Why no Jack? He's my favorite companion from the new series. I guess I'll have to vote for Rose then.

Like all awards events, some good choices go un-nominated. Why? Because the very point of nomination is to narrow down a list. Our nominations here were for the "major" companions — i.e. those whose actors appeared in the pre-titles sequence for at least a whole series.
Jack is a fairly minor character, in those terms. Heck, Jackie is in more episodes than Jack.

19:26, 22 May 2014

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104.32.214.184

CzechOut wrote:

TheReturnOfTheKing wrote: What about ...

...It's also far more intereſting than Six's demiſe or Two simply being adjudicated to death.
To my mind, Seven's death is the most realistic of the lot, barring One's passage due to old age. It's something that really should happen far more often. The TARDIS should materialise at the wrong place and time more often, and the Doctor's latter-day smugness about the dangers outside the door should be met with more disaster than it is.

By 'adjucated to death', do you mean 'killed by robot ſcarecrowſ'? And the Firſt Doctor died of old age and the energy drain. Although, the Warrior did die from a combination of old age and exaustion from the laſt Great Time War.

01:16, 24 May 2014
166.137.101.156
I would have liked to see the ark in space up there as well, considering that it is one of two Tom Baker episodes I have seen. But really, you can't expect us to choose from such spisodes as Blink, Midnight, the five doctors, and the day of the doctor? Although I did pick that one

20:35, 26 May 2014
104.32.214.184
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22:16, 26 May 2014
OttselSpy25
AiS to me is just 'meh.' The story has it's perks, but the characterization is dull (in SJS in particular) and the whole thing just kinda drags after the start.

00:05, 27 May 2014
Sabovia
For some reason, I don't actually count "Rory" as a companion.

00:54, 27 May 2014
172.248.136.82
What about the books that were written?

02:33, 28 May 2014
162.226.30.111
River Song should've been an option in the Most faithful companion.

07:24, 28 May 2014
JAlbor
I think about the anger in the Tenth Doctor's last episode, and then that tragic final line that shows his vulnerability, and I choke up so hard. It's just so good.

21:59, 28 May 2014
50.39.252.47
Big problem here: seems majority of voters are only familiar with the current series and not the classic - how can anyone vote on a favorite episode or whatnot when they haven't seen more than half of the ones mentioned? People are only going to vote for what they have seen and that is much too limited. Also - why the need to single out a female contributor? There are plenty more than the ones mentioned here (though, sadly, not too many more) - though it would be nice if more were able to make more contributions, like writing and directing. Only one female director and one female writer in all the years the show has been back on? Considering what a role women have made in making sure Doctor Who stays on the air, it makes it look all the more like a boys-only club and that, too, is much too limited.

23:40, 29 May 2014
Dezzyy
Yay, 200th vote on Eleventh's regeneration. Honestly, it had the biggest build up and bang to me. Ten is so close! 2 votes away! Deserved, if you ask me, they were both great. ^-^
I'm secretly happy inside Donna beat Rose by so much. She deserves it so much. Rose had her love, but she was really over appreciated. Give the others some love pls.

14:29, 31 May 2014
149.71.153.144
Dark Eyes is the best drama.

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