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Like many articles, this needs a bit of spelling correction. I've done some, but there's probably some more needed. [[User:BlackEarth|BlackEarth]] 16:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
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Removed a KEY LIFE item, as it's stated below it in greater detail that she has lost her memory.[[Special:Contributions/156.34.183.29|156.34.183.29]] 23:52, 5 July 2008 (UTC)Joshua
==Behind the Scenes==


==Romana connection==
I LOVE your "Behind the Scenes" notes on Donna!!  I hadn't considered her married name to roughly mean "Lady Time Lord"!  That's so brilliant!!  :D  And the fact that she is still the only companion to have met all the other companions or their family members never crossed my mind!  And also the fact that she is in every Tennant series (season) if you count her initial appearance in the TARDIS. The "Behind the Scenes" notes are what really draw me to places like this!!  :)  Thank you very much!! [[User:JustLittleOlMe|<font color="blue">Jay JLOM</font>]]<sup>[[User Talk:JustLittleOlMe|<font color="Red">Things turn out for the best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out - John Wooden</font>]]</sup> 05:33, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
I removed this section as completely speculative and not supported by anything on screen. It was one of many different pieces of speculation about the character, utterly rendered moot by the final episode. It's possible a "Behind the scenes" section could be crafted detailing some of the speculation about the character, but statements like "Noble means president" and somehow linking that to Romana ... it just comes off too weak, especially for an in-universe biographical article. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 05:00, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


==Romana connection==
== Wilf moving in ==
I would like to thank you for removing this.  I wasn't supposed to share this.  Thankyou!  Thankyou!  Thankyou!  Thankyou!


It would be a nicety to casual viewers of the site if there wasn't a huge character spoiler in the first paragraph of this entry.
Does any story mention that Wilf's recently moved into Donna's house following the death of Geoff? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 16:44, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
:I concur; I don't recall anything mentioning this and I assumed he always lived with them. [[User:BlueEyesWhiteDragon|BlueEyesWhiteDragon]] [[User talk:BlueEyesWhiteDragon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:55, May 4, 2013 (UTC)


:There is a warning on the front page of this wiki. No pages on this wiki aside from unbroadcast stories carry spoiler warnings. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 16:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
== Gallery ==
==Time lord?==
It would be nice to see some form of speculation as to whether Donna is a Time lord as there is screen evidence (the constant flaunting of her black ring in the series four finale) Donna is a major character so an expansion of this page wouldn't go amiss The master's friend 20:08 12 July 2008 (UTC)


: the clone doctor can't regenerate so did that ability go to Donna. If it did, there are no accounts of a regeneration in to any thing but a time lord, ergo donna will become a full time lord and be abel to handle the doctor knowledge then  her head explode (yeah!!!)[[Special:Contributions/71.60.204.114|71.60.204.114]] 00:28, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
The #[[Donna Noble#Gallery|Gallery]] section seems to go against everything I've seen anywhere else on [[Doctor Who Wiki|this wiki]]. I propose that it's removed. [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:53, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
: It's also on [[Martha Jones|other pages]]. Surely the <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:ImageLink|ImageLink]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> is enough for people who want more images of something. [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:24, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
:: Quite right too! I'm actually quite surprised that no one brought this up before, they've been here for a few ''months'' now; Adding curated galleries to our more "important" pages in some way or another ''is'' something that users have expressed a desire to do a few times, but alas it's yet another thing that we'd need the Forums to properly discuss. I'll remove them (for) now. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
::: I was wondering why they were in so many revisions, and I couldn't find the source. [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:06, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


: With regards to "The End of Time, Part One" - I can't shake the idea that Davies just fanned the speculative flames surrounding Donna's "race" with the issue of the Immortality Gate; it was specifically stated that its target genetic template was human, yet Donna was completely unaffected by it... though neither was Wilfred, but he can be explained away due to being in the radiation-shielded booth.  The only clue to what's going on that we have besides that is the fact that she began to remember everything, from Davros straight back to the incident under the River Thames.  Perhaps it's a bit premature to close the book on the possibility of her being a (possibly amnesiac) Time Lady? [[User:ZackZero|ZackZero]] 04:36, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
== New job ==


::I'm betting it's probably an after-effect of the events of ''[[Journey's End]]'' that gave her some of the Doctor's energy. Or, alternately, it could be simply the [[Artron energy]] from her travels in the TARDIS (c.f. ''[[Doomsday]]''). [[User:Monkey with a Gun|Monkey with a Gun]] 05:58, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
Did it ever establish what Donna's new position in UNIT is? Whether it's KS's personal assistant, or as a commanding general, or whatever?


==Race==
How about her last job, the one she lost? What was it? [[User:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba]] [[User talk:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
It's incorrect to list her as "Time Lady". For one thing she'd slug anyone who called her that, but more important she only ever refers to herself as "half-Time Lord". Not Lady. And the half is important. She's still primarily human. She didn't suddenly grow a second heart; only her intellect was affected. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 05:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
*Yes, but she was still made half-Time Lord and the Doctor erased her ''memories'' to protect her.  He may not have been able to erase her Time Lord half so that could have protected her and it was probably triggered again by the event as the Doctor feared would happen someday.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 17:43, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


== Christmas 2009 ==
:When was it even established that she ''took'' the UNIT job? [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


She's in it. If you watch the trailer, you can see her clearly, if not her grandfather is there too. [[User:Jono R|Jono R]] 09:14, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
::I think in the concluding so-called anniversary episode, Donna impressed KS, and was offered a job. Donna wanted more than what was offered (five weeks' worth of paid leave, and pay rivalling that of the Prime Minister of the UK, and possibly others in similar positions, like the Taoiseach), to which KS immediately acquiesced without question. From that, I think she got the job from there, no questions asked. [[User:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba]] [[User talk:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


== Add to Skills ==
:::That doesn't mean she actually got it. [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:18, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


Can someone add to her skills something about her ability to figure out the dating/construction numbers in the Doctor's Daughter episode - even the Doctor called it brilliant. [[Special:Contributions/91.108.203.17|91.108.203.17]] 18:34, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
::::While not explicitly said, the implicit is that she did; Donna's reaction affirms she accepts and Kate says "Done", indicating finality to the discussion. Further, she gets straight to work for them, working the computers and keeps in close contact with Mel. Much like the bi-generation/15th Doctor debate, the implicit detail is clear given RTD trusts viewers to understand the concept without him having to spell out every detail to viewers. I have no doubt we will get outright confirmation regardless though in Series 14's episodes (but that's spoilers so).


== Early life ==
::::Regardless, if editors think we do indeed need an outright "Yes, I now work for UNIT, here's my badge" kind of line like we got for Martha in [[The Sontaran Stratagem (TV story)]] to include the job on her page, then fair game. [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 22:52, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


"But Donna might have been in the Toclafane invasion since it happened everywhere around the world. This still would not have resulted in her knowing of the existence of aliens due to the reversal of said invasion by the Doctor and Martha Jones. "
:::::Me, it's just because since I've found out the capacities in which the other three inhabitants of UNIT's "Unknown" capacity section really have, and have subsequently moved them to more appropriate places after finding what they do (Security Guard, Head Archivist, Computer Scientist). With Donna being by herself, the only person we don't know what rank/capacity she is...yeah.


Irrelevant, as this occurred after the events of Runaway Bride.  She was already well aware of the Racnoss and The Doctor.
:::::Also, I'm starting to feel like UNIT, under current management, is the sole employer for all the past friends of our hero, all of them sworn to live and die at his/KS's command. I've said it before, but still... [[User:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba]] [[User talk:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:29, 7 January 2024 (UTC) (Sorry!)


== Temple-Noble? ==
Thinking on this, is a good compromise to state she is a "UNIT employee" and leave her specific job title blank at this stage? [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 12:37, 7 January 2024 (UTC)


Shouldn't this article be named Donna Temple-Noble in light of her wedding. [[Wilfred Mott|Wilf]] specifically says that he name will be Donna Temple-Noble when she marries Shaun. I mean you do have [[Martha Smith-Jones]], just do it for consistencys sake. [[Special:Contributions/134.225.177.223|134.225.177.223]] 07:13, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
:You tell me. On the UNIT roster page, I put her under "Other", which has the subtitle of "unknown capacities". As I say, we used to have Jolandra (now a Security Guard), Joel (now Head Archivist) and Melanie Bush (now a Computer Scientist) in there with Donna, but the three have all migrated to new sections. Thoughts? [[User:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba]] [[User talk:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
:Yes it should, and it now is.  However, the "Smith-Jones defense" is possibly the weakest one you could have offered up, because Martha was never known as "Smith-Jones" in any narrative of which I'm aware.  That derives from the credits and other out-of-universe material. No, the rationale for "Donna Temple-Noble" is the same we used for "Jo Grant", and the converse of the argument accepted by the community to ''prevent'' "[[Gwen Cooper]]" from becoming "Gwen Williams".  The basic rule of thumb is that if it's in the narrative that a person's name changes after marriage then the article name changes, too. See [[Tardis:Manual of Style#General Guidelines]] and the linked forum and talk page discussions.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''23:24:29 Sat&nbsp;'''28 May 2011&nbsp;</span>


For some reason the info box on the Turn Left universe Donna also calls her Temple-Noble even though she never knew Shaun in that world. I tried to edit ti to fix this but in the editor she is just DOnna Noble... can someone who knows how fix this? [[Special:Contributions/219.90.209.61|219.90.209.61]]<sup>[[User talk:219.90.209.61#top|talk to me]]</sup> 15:22, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
== Infobox image ==


*Fixed it. Someone erroneously used "individual name=" instead of just "name=", so the template defaulted to the name of the page itself. Should be all set now. '''<font color=#609000>d</font> [[User:Witoki|<font color=#609000>●</font>]][[User_talk:Witoki|<font color=#FF6090>•</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Witoki|<font color=#6090FF>·</font>]]''' 15:26, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
Would anybody be open to a discussion about potentially changing the profile image on Donna's infobox? I've never really been a fan of the current image, as her expression isn't neutral and shadow from her hair covers parts of her face. I personally prefer the image to the right as an example, though I'm open to other options. Following her appearance in the anniversary specials at the end of last year, I'm thinking now could be a good time to open a debate on this. [[User:66 Seconds|66 Seconds]] [[User talk:66 Seconds|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
: I like your suggestion. For the sake of discussion/variety, I'll also add some proposals. (@66 Seconds: I've moved your suggested picture into the gallery below.) My preference is #2 because it's the most recent, good quality, and is lit really nicely which always helps at a smaller thumbnail size. Then #1, then #3. — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk">•</span>]] 23:09, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 
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I've added a load more images. Out of these, my favourites are 27, 19 and 2b. I prefer ones which show her loop earrings which were a regular feature of her character in Series 4. [[User:66 Seconds|66 Seconds]] [[User talk:66 Seconds|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:27, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks, 66 Seconds! We're almost spoilt for choice, I'd say. My favourites are 2b, 27, 18b, and 19. — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk">•</span>]] 18:54, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
::Would anybody else like to offer any opinions on this? [[User:66 Seconds|66 Seconds]] [[User talk:66 Seconds|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:03, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
:::Anyone else got any comments on this? [[User:66 Seconds|66 Seconds]] [[User talk:66 Seconds|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 
:::: #6 and #7 look decent to me, if we go for something from her original appearances. [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 
::::: (With a preference for #7, I think) [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 
Anyone else wish to contribute? <font face="Maven Pro" color="#000000">— [[User:Fractal|Fractal]] [[User talk:Fractal|<span title="Talk">•</span>]]</font> 17:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Behind the Scenes[[edit source]]

I LOVE your "Behind the Scenes" notes on Donna!! I hadn't considered her married name to roughly mean "Lady Time Lord"! That's so brilliant!! :D And the fact that she is still the only companion to have met all the other companions or their family members never crossed my mind! And also the fact that she is in every Tennant series (season) if you count her initial appearance in the TARDIS. The "Behind the Scenes" notes are what really draw me to places like this!!  :) Thank you very much!! Jay JLOMThings turn out for the best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out - John Wooden 05:33, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Wilf moving in[[edit source]]

Does any story mention that Wilf's recently moved into Donna's house following the death of Geoff? -- Tybort (talk page) 16:44, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

I concur; I don't recall anything mentioning this and I assumed he always lived with them. BlueEyesWhiteDragon ☎ 22:55, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Gallery[[edit source]]

The #Gallery section seems to go against everything I've seen anywhere else on this wiki. I propose that it's removed. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 20:53, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

It's also on other pages. Surely the {{ImageLink}} is enough for people who want more images of something. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 21:24, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Quite right too! I'm actually quite surprised that no one brought this up before, they've been here for a few months now; Adding curated galleries to our more "important" pages in some way or another is something that users have expressed a desire to do a few times, but alas it's yet another thing that we'd need the Forums to properly discuss. I'll remove them (for) now. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 21:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
I was wondering why they were in so many revisions, and I couldn't find the source. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 10:06, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

New job[[edit source]]

Did it ever establish what Donna's new position in UNIT is? Whether it's KS's personal assistant, or as a commanding general, or whatever?

How about her last job, the one she lost? What was it? Kevin 'Chalky' Kaiba ☎ 17:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

When was it even established that she took the UNIT job? WaltK ☎ 18:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
I think in the concluding so-called anniversary episode, Donna impressed KS, and was offered a job. Donna wanted more than what was offered (five weeks' worth of paid leave, and pay rivalling that of the Prime Minister of the UK, and possibly others in similar positions, like the Taoiseach), to which KS immediately acquiesced without question. From that, I think she got the job from there, no questions asked. Kevin 'Chalky' Kaiba ☎ 22:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
That doesn't mean she actually got it. WaltK ☎ 22:18, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
While not explicitly said, the implicit is that she did; Donna's reaction affirms she accepts and Kate says "Done", indicating finality to the discussion. Further, she gets straight to work for them, working the computers and keeps in close contact with Mel. Much like the bi-generation/15th Doctor debate, the implicit detail is clear given RTD trusts viewers to understand the concept without him having to spell out every detail to viewers. I have no doubt we will get outright confirmation regardless though in Series 14's episodes (but that's spoilers so).
Regardless, if editors think we do indeed need an outright "Yes, I now work for UNIT, here's my badge" kind of line like we got for Martha in The Sontaran Stratagem (TV story) to include the job on her page, then fair game. Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 22:52, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Me, it's just because since I've found out the capacities in which the other three inhabitants of UNIT's "Unknown" capacity section really have, and have subsequently moved them to more appropriate places after finding what they do (Security Guard, Head Archivist, Computer Scientist). With Donna being by herself, the only person we don't know what rank/capacity she is...yeah.
Also, I'm starting to feel like UNIT, under current management, is the sole employer for all the past friends of our hero, all of them sworn to live and die at his/KS's command. I've said it before, but still... Kevin 'Chalky' Kaiba ☎ 09:29, 7 January 2024 (UTC) (Sorry!)

Thinking on this, is a good compromise to state she is a "UNIT employee" and leave her specific job title blank at this stage? Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 12:37, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

You tell me. On the UNIT roster page, I put her under "Other", which has the subtitle of "unknown capacities". As I say, we used to have Jolandra (now a Security Guard), Joel (now Head Archivist) and Melanie Bush (now a Computer Scientist) in there with Donna, but the three have all migrated to new sections. Thoughts? Kevin 'Chalky' Kaiba ☎ 12:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Infobox image[[edit source]]

Would anybody be open to a discussion about potentially changing the profile image on Donna's infobox? I've never really been a fan of the current image, as her expression isn't neutral and shadow from her hair covers parts of her face. I personally prefer the image to the right as an example, though I'm open to other options. Following her appearance in the anniversary specials at the end of last year, I'm thinking now could be a good time to open a debate on this. 66 Seconds ☎ 23:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I like your suggestion. For the sake of discussion/variety, I'll also add some proposals. (@66 Seconds: I've moved your suggested picture into the gallery below.) My preference is #2 because it's the most recent, good quality, and is lit really nicely which always helps at a smaller thumbnail size. Then #1, then #3. — Fractal Doctor • 23:09, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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I've added a load more images. Out of these, my favourites are 27, 19 and 2b. I prefer ones which show her loop earrings which were a regular feature of her character in Series 4. 66 Seconds ☎ 17:27, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, 66 Seconds! We're almost spoilt for choice, I'd say. My favourites are 2b, 27, 18b, and 19. — Fractal Doctor • 18:54, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
Would anybody else like to offer any opinions on this? 66 Seconds ☎ 10:03, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Anyone else got any comments on this? 66 Seconds ☎ 11:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
#6 and #7 look decent to me, if we go for something from her original appearances. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 12:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
(With a preference for #7, I think) Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 12:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Anyone else wish to contribute? — Fractal • 17:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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