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== Fun new toy ==
Useful bit of new kit for you at: [[Forum:Monobook users: please install this code]].  Lets you switch between skins without going through [[Special:Preferences]].  Perfect if you want to bypass java-heavy Oasis for a bit, but still keep your pulse on oasis.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}22:56: Wed&nbsp;11 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>
:I don't think you're the odd man out.  I was just telling you so you'd know what to tell users who may have a preference for monobook (as a number of people who came from Wookieepedia and MemAlpha still do). It's ''really'' important that we stress the fact that people who ''do'' edit in Monobook occasionally take a look at Wikia.  For instance, the new {{tl|you may}} and {{tl|dab away}} templates work totally differently in monobook than they do in wikia.  [[user:Doug86]] was unaware of this because, I gather, he rarely looks at Wikia.  He therefore began moving around instances of the template around so that it fit in with what he thought looked good in Monobook.  But this had terrible implications for Wikia.  People like Doug need to have an easy way to check their work in Wikia so that they can keep editing in Monobook, but not destroy Wikia.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}16:17: Thu&nbsp;12 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>
==Unproduced TV story images ==
No idea.  I've just discovered one part of the "unproduced story" mess.  I haven't even gotten around to the image part.  How are there genuine images of these stories, anyway?  They're '''unproduced''', right?  Does it ''count'' if someone, years later, does a concept illustration in DWM?  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}16:17: Thu&nbsp;12 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>
:Yep, I totally agree with you.  They are illustrations '''of the article''' not concept art done in pre-production of the story.  That's a huge difference, to my mind.  These categories, and all references to them, have been stripped.  We don't want to get into the business of "pictures of what might have been".


:Now as to the validity of the articles themselves, I think they should definitely stay.  I know what you mean about wanting to sort of fold them into a single article, but there is utility to having them separated out, since the infoboxes now allow us to track adaptations.  It's more convenient for there to be [[Ice Time (TV story)]] and [[Ice Time (audio story)]] so that we can distinguish between the two.  Sure, in some cases there's not a lot to say about the unproduced story, but in others, there's quite a bit known — and it's very different from the version that got produced.  [[Crime of the Century (audio story)]] is significantly different to [[Crime of the Century (TV story)]], and it's useful to have free-standing articles for this kind of highlighting.  And you might as well just live with the small articles so that we don't have to come up with a rule defining the word "significant".  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}17:11: Thu&nbsp;12 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>
== Wiki Manager ==


== Expanded navigation ==
Hi Tangerineduel! My name is Playsonic2 and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager assigned to TARDIS Data Core. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff.


Four words: Over. My. Dead. Body. 
I also happen to be an administrator at the Spanish Doctor Who Wiki, which has me spending considerable amount of time here (adding interlanguage links mostly). I know this wiki wonderfully organised and that [[user:CzechOut|CzechOut]] assists with any technical issues, but if there are ever any issues I could assist with, I would be pleased to help. I will be available on my talk page! ~[[User:Playsonic2|Playsonic2]] 09:03, May 20, 2019 (UTC)


Well, okay, that's a little harsh. But I really don't want to enable it unless Wikia shove it down our throats.  The main reason is that it will involve a good deal of restyling on my part, which I don't wanna do.  I've just spent a week ''intensively'' revamping the monobook skin.  I am totally loathe to having to now go back and restyle huge parts of the Wikia skin. There's nothing ''really'' wrong with the navigation we have now.  It fits in with our general styling in an elegant, unobtrusive way. And it's '''easy''' to use. Sure, it doesn't offer the same number of levels of navigation, but it's just a plain, simple drop-down menu.  Everyone gets how to use those.  Down ''and to the right'' navigation is slightly trickier for end users, and I'd have to be convinced of the actual ''utility'' of those extra levels of navigation. Also, if we employ it, we'll be sacrificing a bit of the screen real estate we're currently not using, but which we ''could'' use.  We could put an additional background element (well, two actually) behind the wordmark, running the whole width of the page.  I'd like to reserve that for potential use, rather than giving it over to the new navigation bar.
:Heya! Just here to let you know that Fandom now has an official Discord server and lots of editors are joining. In [[w:User blog:MisterWoodhouse/The Official Discord Server for Fandom and Gamepedia Editors|this blog post at Community Central]] you can find more information, as well as a server invite link if you wish to join us. There are many editors there, as well as staff members, and a variety of channels. Cheers! [[User:Playsonic2|Playsonic2]] [[User talk:Playsonic2|<span title="Talk">☎</span>]] 07:46, July 11, 2019 (UTC)


Expanded navigation is enabled at [[w:c:tardistest]].  You can take a look at it there in all its ugliness.  I will at some point take a look at styling it at tardistest, just because I may have to have something available if Wikia make it mandatory.  But I ''really'' don't like it.  Not one bit. 
== BBC ==


That said, I am speaking primarily from a ''design'' standpoint. If there's a compelling contentual argument you'd like to advance, I will of course be willing to listen.   But given the time I've put in lately on monobook, I really don't want to start another big project for at least a month. 
Hi, thanks for merging the BBC pages. I just finished removing all the links to "BBC (real world)" and deleted that page. [[User:OncomingStorm12th]] and I cleaned up the [[BBC]] page, so it flows better. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:20, June 28, 2019 (UTC)


Here are my current priorities:
== Mark I Travel Machine ==
Hi there. This will be a blast from the past: over ten years ago now you [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Guilt_(audio_story)?diff=prev&oldid=238819 edited] [[AUDIO]]: ''[[Guilt (audio story)|Guilt]]'' and added a note that the prototype Dalek seen in the story was of the same design (by description and implication) seen in [[TV]]: ''[[The Daleks (TV story)|The Daleks]]''. If you remember could you please elaborate on this description and implication as I find it hard to reconcile this fact as the Daleks Davros eventually presented to the world were Mark III Travel Machines and not Mark Is. Thanks in advance. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:01, September 21, 2019 (UTC)


#Finish up a few touches on Monobook (est. completion: this weekend)
== About the Deceased category ==
#Finish up stray infoboxes not done (est. completion: this weekend)
#Make categories for all comic stories.  I didn't expect [[user:OttselSpy25]] to just start making them in a hodgepodege fashion on his own because '''there's a freakin' huge note''' saying not to do that.  But whatever.  They all need to be done. (est. completion: 20 April)
#Complete work on {{tl|title dab away}} so that there's a single tool people can use to italicise titles with [[dab term]]s. (est. completion 20 April)
#Implemnt standard, easy table-making CSS, along the same lines as the code simplification of infoboxes.  Basically, all tables should have a standard look, and "mouseover effects" for maximum readability.  (est. completion 1 May) 
#Do a wholesale rewrite of documentation on infoboxes as well as [[Tardis:Guide to infoboxes]] (est. completion: 1 May)
#Full automation of the DYK thing.  I know, I know.  Don't roll your eyes.  There's a way to do it so that it's random on each page load, and I think it would be so cool.  People might sit on our front page for a while just reloading the page for new facts.  If it works, we might conisider doing the featured article like that, too.  Just have a pool of 100 articles and be done with it.  Once you set it up, it'll be just like the QOTW: completely hands free, but dynamic.
#Tackling the MOS.  Once and for all making it easier to understand.  [[User:Boblipton]]'s recent criticisms are valid.  The thing is a rambling mess.  It must be ripped apart, refactored, illustrated, and just made '''clearer'''.  Things which are genuine stylistic minutae can stay; things which are more "guideline/policy"-like need to be split off.  The MOS has got to be about tiny details such as [[T:HONOUR]], not broader policies, like [[T:SOURCES]].  Not proposing ''losing'' any of the info, just making the MOS a more approachable, better-defined document.  (est. completion: hopefully early May)
#Tackling the [[T:CAN]] rewrite.  Again, this is a document which is central to our existence as a wiki community, but recent discussions about video games, ''Dimensions in Time'' and other things make it clear to me that it's not communicating the point we're trying to make.  I had started a rewrite last year, and you annotated my changes, but I never got back to the rewrite incorporating your notes.  I want to get back to that, so that we have something in place that's a bit clearer before the new season starts. (est. completion: 1 June)
#Implementing some sort of progress track for articles.  We've got to have some way, as a community, of pushing articles down an at least loosely defined path of improvement, as at Wookieepedia and MemAlpha and Wikipedia.  I recently participated in a FA nom process at MemAlpha and it was enjoyable and highly productive.  We need ''something'' like that here.  Skittles was a big advocate of it, but we never got around to it while he was active.  We really shold have something in place by the start of the new season.


So, point is, I've got a lot more to worry about than restyling something which, basically, we already have. But I'm not ''completely'' closed to the idea, if there's a valid contentual reason to do it. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}18:48: Fri&nbsp;13 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>
A few days ago, I noticed there was no deceased category for this wiki, so I thought I should create one. So I tried, and saw that you had chosen for this page not to be created, as you judged it not useful since all articles were written in the past tense.
Of course, a deceased category for a time-travel related series isn't an easy task. Should be put any characters that most likely died of old age in this category ? Personally, I don't think so. In my opinion, if we were to have such a category on this wiki, only the ones whose deaths were either witnessed in the series or seen as absolute (for instance Amy and Rory's), when we know those characters will very most likely never be seen again. Well, they could in some extreme cases, then they will just be removed.
So as you probably have guessed by now, I am writing this message to you in order to ask you to re-considerate your decision regarding this category.
Of course, in the case where you would accept, I would gladly take care of filling this category myself (i have seen all the new series but not the old ones yet, it's only a matter of time).
I will then await for your decision on this matter,
With all due respect,


:Sorry. My bad. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 23:09, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
[[User:ThePurpleShadow|ThePurpleShadow]] [[User talk:ThePurpleShadow|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:21, October 27, 2019 (UTC)


== Monobook toy expansion ==
== Re:Deceased category ==
I know you weren't terribly interested in the skin-changing tool before, but its functionality has been expanded to also allow desktop viewing of the wikia'''mobile''' skin.  Code has been updated at [[Forum:Easy switching between monobook, wikia and wikiamobile]].  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}00:49: Fri&nbsp;20 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>


== A dangerous precedent may soon be set here ==
Thanks to your message, I now understand your point of view better. There is indeed a lot I didn't take into account when I thought this category was needed on this wiki. I usually visit wikis and recently have been adding/completing deceased categories on others, like Reborn's for example. So when I saw this one I thought it was missing, and it could have been useful. But now I see why this isn't the case, and I am sorry I bothered you for such a matter.  
One thing I appreciate about this wiki is its open acceptance of what is considered canon. Like the BBC, it's pretty flexible and with a little creativity - or simply ''paying attention'' - it's possible to work most licensed works into the in-universe discussion. Even Death Comes to Time. So you can understand why I am distressed to see [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Is_The_Infinity_Doctors_canon%3F?t=20120422121738 this discussion] in which one of your admins is proposing the wiki unilaterally declare a fully licensed novel ([[The Infinity Doctors]]) as non-canon, simply because it's too difficult to rationalize it with the in-universe stories. That's a ridiculous suggestion, and in my opinion will set this wiki down a slippery slope. If we're going to declare things willy nilly non-canon, then let's just delete [[Season 18]], Miracle Day, anything with the names John and Gillian in it, [[Fear Her]], etc etc. You see where I'm getting at. I wouldn't care if it was just some general user making the suggestion, but it comes from one of your admins. How about giving editors a little credit to be able to work with the material provided? [[Special:Contributions/70.72.223.215|70.72.223.215]]<sup>[[User talk:70.72.223.215#top|talk to me]]</sup> 19:46, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to write me a reply that could enlighten me about this wiki,


== Randomness ==
[[User:ThePurpleShadow|ThePurpleShadow]] [[User talk:ThePurpleShadow|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:15, October 29, 2019 (UTC)
Okay, the technology is in place for having the front page display something different on each page load, which will free us from having to remember to change it. 


It also has the potential for making our front page perhaps the most dynamic on wikia, since we could randomise ''every'' module on the front page. It will look different to every person on every page load. People will potentially be mesmerised by it, if we implement it in a big way.
== Tardis:User rights nominations ==
Hi. As you know, since you left a brief comment there, I've started a self-nomination over [[Tardis:User rights nominations]]. I'm not sure how up-to-track you've been keeping yourself around the wiki, but I thought of bringing to your attention that the usual "one week" period for comments has passed, and you might (if you have the time to, of course) weight in if more time's need or something of the sorts. Anyway, thanks in advance. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:36, January 31, 2020 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw on your "contributions" section that you still show up once in a while. I'm glad to see this. Also, thanks for closing it. Now into new territory. :) [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:54, February 1, 2020 (UTC)


For instance, if we put in about 100 featured articles, 50 more quotes, a DYK section that randomly selects each of the five separate pools of facts of apparent randomness. All five 'slots' will be ''separately'' randomised so that every user will get a totally unique front page on each pageload. Yes, it ''will'' take some work to build the infrastructure, but then we'll '''never have to touch the front page again'''.
== Left-over vandalism ==
Hey. Thanks for dealing with the two vandals just now. As per the restrictions in [[Tardis:Vandalism policy]] regarding removal of others' comments may I have your permission to remove all the comments at [[User talk:Borisashton#Singular they]]? Thanks in advance. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:11, February 5, 2020 (UTC)
:I'd like to say thanks too and ask the same regarding my own page. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:15, February 5, 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks. Also, I have no idea how to archive the talk page discussions. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:48, February 5, 2020 (UTC)


Here's an example.  Just reload the page to watch it change. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}02:08: Tue&nbsp;24 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>
== Re: Template order ==
Oh, it makes sense. Since most of these "small, rectangle templates" usually go on top, I'd assumed it was ended up being moved to the bottom of the page during a bot run, and went sort of unnoticed, but now looking at the page history I realize it was there since day one. Will change it back. Thanks for the heads up. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] ([[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|talk]]) 16:15, February 5, 2020 (UTC)


<div id=license>{{qotw/{{#expr:{{random|52}} + 1}}}}</div>
== Just FYI, since you banned them ==
{{tardis manual}}
:Cool!  Well, I don't see how it would make load times slower, because I deliberately avoided the javascript solution.  This is just a simple random number generator triggering a page load through completely ordinary wikicode. The downside, to the extent it ''is'' a downside, is that we'll (okay I'll) be creating a ton of template pages.  Like seriously thousands. But that's not much of an issue, since they'll all just be subpages and rather neatly tucked away.  I'll let you know once the infrastructure is in place. As always I'm juggling several big changes at once.


:That said, however, I can tell you exactly what we're going to need:
[[User:Dissident Prodigy]] appears to be a sock puppet [[User:Unbanned reality talk]]. The former was created suspiciously quickly after the latter was banned, the names are vaguely similar, and the former’s only contributions are removing messages insulting the latter from his talk page (including that one message about mentioning logical fallacies by name being ‘reddit-tier arguing’, which, if you look at the history, the latter kept trying to remove - obviously it hit too close to home), as well as a supsicious cryptic comment about the ‘shoe [being] on the other foot’ on Shamabala’s talk page. Probably something you should look into. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.220.11|82.132.220.11]]<sup>[[User talk:82.132.220.11#top|talk to me]]</sup> 13:04, February 6, 2020 (UTC)
:* 47 more quotes to bring us up to an even 100 quote pages. 
:* Intros for 100 "featured pages"  (And I don't see any reason why we can't reuse things from the past, so that's gotta be about half of 'em lying in the page histories.)
:* 500 factoids for DYK, broken down into 5 groups of 100 facts. Groups are: "old series BTS", "new series BTS", "species", "technology/object/concept", and "facts about main characters (something interesting about an incarnation of the Doctor, a companion, Sarah Jane, Captain Jack or K9".  These cats aren't hard and fast; they're just a starting point for building the five pools of information.   


:I'll soon have a "proper" home to deposit this info, but until then you could just dump the info on a sandbox or something.   Hopefully I'll have something more permanent up by the time your computer situation is settled.
== Thanks ==
Thank you for putting an end to [[User:120.20.195.104]]'s obstruction of the Wikia. It started on the Series 12 page, which admin Shambala108 had to lock because they continued to undo facts. I replied to Shambala on the talk page to do something and they kept counter-arguing it. Then I took to editing other pages, which they then kept undoing, obstructing work. Then I had to report to Shambala108 about it, which they followed and kept trying to argue again, this time going at me with personal attacks. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:10, February 9, 2020 (UTC)
:Furthermore they also broke the [[Tardis:Spoiler policy]] by naming spoilers outside the series page, specifically on Shambala's talk page. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:15, February 9, 2020 (UTC)


:Work continues apace on the great manual of style restyle.  I'll pop the new {{tl|tardis manual}] on your page here so you can take a look at the attempt to get something going.  It's very much still a work in progress though, so it's changing all the time.  Obviously, your comments on its progress are valued.  But basically the deal is that everything '''not''' under layout will be peeled away from the MOS and put on its own page. The idea is that the MOS will now be just about niggly little formatting issues.  Everything else will go on bite-sied pages of their own.  So there will be a page for [[T:DOCTORS]], a page for [[T:MAGS|magazine naming conventions]], etc.  Things that are in within one of the {{tl|tardis manual}} headings will get an additional template that'll say something like "part of a series of articles about <whatever>".  So all the naming stuff will be additionally linked by a small template like {{tl|looks like}}, that'll sit on top of {{tl|tardis manual}} and '''not collapse'''.  That way people won't get lost, and they'll hopefully red all the little naming things one at a time.  Basically it'll create "reading topics", so people can take steps through each topic, rather than being overwhelmed by everything presented all at once.  Essentially, the {[tl|tardis manual}} will be the table of contents for the whole book, and the little {{tl|tardis manual topic}} will be a chapter in that book.
Hopefully, you are right. But I do have my worries that this could continue. And without accusations, I do have slight suspicions that this in itself is a continuation of past actions, as I do remember a user of the past (half a year back or so) who engaged in the same kind of actions with the same motives. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:31, February 9, 2020 (UTC)


:(BTW: If you're viewing on an ipad, this box will still be there and usable, but it doesn't look anything like it does in wikia/monobook. Temporarily switch to regular view to view as intended.)
The user is back at again with these removals of sourced material. Could you please take action before this escalates once again? Thank you. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:37, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
:You agree it's unsourced? Cheers! Best to lock the page again so Danny doesn't edit-war. [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 07:40, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
::YOU edit-war because you won't accept the facts as they are. YOU were blocked for this. Not once, but twice. Tangerineduel was easy on you with a one day block, but Shambala made your block longer for these actions. Why can't you take the hint that you are messing the page up by doing this? --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:45, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
:::You admitted it's unsourced. You agree with me. Thank you! Why can't you read what you say? [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 07:47, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
::::"I think you need reading glasses. I didn't agree. I said you removed SOURCED material. Do you never get tired of going against this Wikia? You'll probably end up getting another block. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:49, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
:::::How's it sourced? Explain to me where it says it's definitely a Christmas special. Also point me to the part where it says it may be completely wrong. If you can't, then ''I think you need reading glasses''. [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 07:59, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
::::::You tried this once before, remember? Without luck. Oh, and you have no respect for the spoiler policy as you again posted a spoiler where they are not allowed. I'm done with arguing this fact that you can't accept. The admins can take it from here. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:10, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
:::::::Because you won't read the source. Just admit it. You've never opened it. You'll never even ''mention'' the bit where it says the source could be wrong. Copy-paste it. I dare you. Bet you won't. Scared of admitting you're wrong. [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:21, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
::::::::Read it multiple times, thanks. Still not wrong. Oh, and why would I deliberately break the spoiler policy? --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:29, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::Clearly not. Told you that you won't confirm that I'm right concerning the source. I'm right again? Wow! I'll be back here when it airs before Christmas, just to tell you that I told you so. [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:31, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::The only regrettable thing is that I can't deal with disobedient Wikia-trolls like you myself and I have to pester another poor admin to take care of it because people like you keep coming back for more. Unable to accept things as they are. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:39, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::Unable to accept sources as they are? Hey, that's you! Won't even accept what it says. Can I make my CV, say that I paid for the whole series since 1963 and put in online? That's a reliable source, yeah? You seem to think so! [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:50, February 19, 2020 (UTC)


:Oh, and as you can see — if you're not viewing with wikiamobile — I've had to add infobox collapsibility to the wiki. This ''might'' mean that we can now just have appearances reintegrated into the infobox, rather than on separate pages.  Dunno what you think about that, but it's definitely possible to eliminate the appearances pages now without making the infoboxes grow one millimeter. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}18:27: Tue&nbsp;24 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>
== Re: UCP and nomination ==
::The series logo buttons at {{tlx|Doctor Who Wiki/Television}} have now been randomised to cover the "little" problem of 3/4ths of the shows being no longer in production.
Ah, thank you for getting back to me! Yes, that sounds fair. And I have indeed familiarised myself with the UCP on other Wikis; seemed only sensible.  


::As for what I'm doing with the poll data, I dunno. I've ''preserved'' it at [[Tardis:Poll archive]], but beyond that, nada.  It's unfortunately not possible to save it into any kind of format that would be useful by any bot process, magic word, or (known) template, so if we wanted to "pretty up" the raw data, we'd have to do it manually.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}13:58: Wed&nbsp;25 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>
(I don't think it will affect the Wiki ''too'' badly, from what I've seen; the only area where I'm worried is the Forum, depending on how we handle the situation. In fact, the option to fill in image file descriptions ''within'' the source editor of a ''page'', rather than having to go through [[Special:Upload]] ahead of time, even seems like it might help significantly with issues of new users posting images without any licenses or categories.) --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:22, September 20, 2020 (UTC)
:::Okay the structure for the "featured article" randomisation has now been created at {{tlx|aotm}} (meaning, "article of the minute", consonant with the recent re-labeling of the "quote of the week" to "quote of the minute" on the main page.  
:Well… as you'll doubtless have noticed, we ''have'', now, moved to the UCP, for better or for worse. Will you be able to get back to my case? --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:59, September 29, 2020 (UTC)
::Thank you very much! (Speaking of replies — you didn't actually reply to my response to your concerns in <nowiki>==Neutral==</nowiki>; by all means do if there are areas I didn't address/more assurances you feel I should give.) --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:48, September 30, 2020 (UTC)
:::Point of information, I'm not sure we've finished the move to UCP. There are a variety of changes that come with UCP, the change to the forums is only one of them. I'm not sure that this is relevant, as the others aren't necessarily going to change much on an admin front to ''my'' knowledge, but it is something to bear in mind. (For instance, we still have "Recent Wiki Activity" on my end, which I'm certainly not complaining about, but shouldn't be the case? So I dunno what's going on, but it doesn't seem to be a full transition to UCP. Again, not sure if this is relevant to pausing the admin nom going forward, as the biggest issue there seemed to be the forums from my limited perspective, but it should be pointed out.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:10, September 30, 2020 (UTC)
::Oh, absolutely! Had you had more to ask I would definitely have posted the answers ''on'' the nomination page.  


:::Also, the {{tlx|qotw}} template has been expanded to allow for 100 entries, but it's still working perfectly because I've not changed the actual math of randomisation. It's still just looking for 53 possibilities until all 100 are entered. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}21:05: Wed&nbsp;25 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>
::As regards Najawin's message above, I mean, we had the banner ''announcing'' we had moved. It may be we ''are'' keeping WikiActivity after all as a special favour to one of the Original 100 Wikis? Who knows. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:20, September 30, 2020 (UTC)
::::And now the {{tlx|DYK}} infrastructure is in place.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}02:44: Thu&nbsp;26 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>
:::::DYK is now back on the main page.  Although there are still a lot of facts to create, there are enough in that the randomisation thing "works" to a sufficient standard.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}15:07: Sat&nbsp;28 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>


==Page needs to be protected==
== Admin categories ==
I haven't been around much, but a situation has arisen away from the wiki that should be noted as it could impact an article here. A few fan groups have been fooled by a hoaxer claiming to be [[Miranda Borman]], the actress who played [[Stellar]] in the McCoy story [[Dragonfire]]. It got so far that I actually interviewed this person thinking it was the real actress and put it on a blog. Multiple reliable sources indicated that this was likely a hoaxer and the person confessed last night to being a "bored college student". Anyway, this individual has been impersonating Miranda on multiple occasions. And during my conversation with her when I thought she was genuine, I let her know about "her" page on the Tardis Index File. So far nothing's been added to the page, but I strongly suggest the page be given full protection and be policed for any changes made in case the hoaxer isn't done, for the sake of our equivalent of Wikipedia's BLP. It appears the photo on the article ''is'' of the real actress (who now goes by the name Mindi Buttons) so at least that's correct. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] <sup>[[User talk:23skidoo|talk to me]]</sup> 13:57, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
:Well, there is [[User:Miranda Borman]], and she ''has'' added a birth year to the page [[Miranda Borman]].  She's also had contact with me that seemed respectful.  She was quite reluctant about editing her own page.  I took the time to explain what I thought were best practices here for people editing their own pages. She seemed to accept those conditions.  She may well be a hoaxer, but she doesn't seem to be vandalistic.  See [[User talk:Miranda Borman]] and my own talk page for details. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}20:39: Thu&nbsp;03 May 2012&nbsp;</span>


== [[Forum:Timeline - The Master]] ==
Since you moved yourself into a new category on [[Tardis:Administrators]], I'm wondering if some of the admins listed in the "Frequently active admins" category should also be moved (or whether it's incumbent on them to move themselves). I know when I was newer a few months ago the category not quite lining up confused me. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:18, October 2, 2020 (UTC)


[[Forum:Timeline - The Master]] has been deleted despite being made from scratch. Will you restore it? [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 15:45, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
== Community Connect ==
:I don't think you understand. Other timelines, like the First Doctor's, we're deleted because they were based off a fan websites timeline. [[Forum:Timeline - The Master]] was based off none of this. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 15:58, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
::I've ruled in the negative on this one  Too may intervening editors who may not have been editing to OS25's standard; no sourcing; a ton of code errors (thanks to the visual editor).  Best to just restart. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}16:06: Thu&nbsp;03 May 2012&nbsp;</span>


== Timeline pages in general ==
Hey there! Not sure we've spoken much, but I'm Chris - a Wiki Representative at Fandom. Have you heard of an event called Community Connect? It's a Fandom event where news is often revealed about the platform and you get to chat to other admins. It's virtual this year over Zoom or similar but no mic or camera needed. It's 7th + 8th August at 8-12 PT. Is this something you would be interested in attending? I can't guarantee an invite, but I can look into getting one sent to the email associated with your Fandom account --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/>


As you know, I have a pretty big disdain for these timeline pages.  I consider my own involvement with them to have ended about 5 minutes ago when I finished deleting fragments of the old "system".  Since I think of my role as having been more about infrastructure than content in this case, I'll be directing questions about how to form the timeline pages to you and [[User:Revanvolatrelundar]]. 
== Fandom projects ==


As a final report on the tech side of things, about 1500 individual links to the old timeline pages were successfully delinked.  As I went back through the WhatLinksHere on the old pages, the only link I still found was on the various Lists of Appearances pages.  These appear to be in unnecessary "See Also" sections.  It's possible you'll encounter one or two links here and there, but I really don't think so. I've also had to fight against Doug86 and OS25 ''recreating'' deleted pages right in the middle of the deletion process.  This may indicate that your desire to see a totally fresh restart will be thwarted by people who don't understand what's being attempted. 
Hi! Got a couple of things:


However, as things stand ''right'' now, the ''only'' thing that survives from the old era is your "work in progress" Eighth Doctor timeline, the talk page for that timeline, and the talk page for the Seventh Doctor timeline. [[Forum talk:Timeline - Seventh Doctor]] had some ''sourced'' scholarship on it that might actually prove useful to the rewriting of the timeline, but all the other talk pages had nothing worth keeping. (Except for the old Elevneth Doctor timeline talk page, but that's just been merged into [[Forum:Timeline pages]] for easier comprehension.)  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}20:50: Thu&nbsp;03 May 2012&nbsp;</span>
As this wiki used to use Special:Forum, Fandom wants to make sure that old forum links and references aren't cluttering up maintenance special pages (unusedfiles, needed pages etc). Would you mind checking and letting me know asap as to whether that's an issue for this wiki? Just looking for dead links to forums in special pages, or links to images used in forums but are now dead, stuff like that. No need to attempt to cleanup yourself, I just need to know if they exist.  


== Timeline ==
Secondly, did you receive an email sent last week I believe inviting you to The Downstream on September 10th? The email is titled "[The Downstream] Ask Fandom Anything, Social Media Tips, and Data Insights". I just want to confirm you received the email as we know Fandom outreach emails often land in spam.


So, is [[Forum:Timeline - Eighth Doctor]] a good outline for writing a new timeline page from scratch, or does it have stuff which fits better in the "Time essay" pages mentioned on the main [[Forum:Timey-wimey detector]]? Also, should ''every'' story that's not conjecture, even those released in succession or on the same date in the same series, have a note (such as in the bit between ''[[The Eight Doctors (novel)|The Eight Doctors]]'' and ''[[Bounty (audio story)|Bounty]]'' on the Eighth Doctor page stating why it's where it is or is that overkill? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 23:27, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
If you could let me know about both of those things, that would be fantastic. Thanks! --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/> 09:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
: Is that a "yes" to every companion addition and subtraction on those pages, then? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 00:50, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
: Also, my main concern for overkill is mentioning every single time a story flows into another through a cliffhanger or dialogue otherwise stating the previous story has just happened. It just seems messy in my mind if doing all this on, as an example, First Doctor page referencing all the cross-story cliffhangers on TV. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 03:17, May 5, 2012 (UTC)


::Is that a "yes" to River Song as well? Personally, I think despite her opposite timeline, she appears in all of seven stories (eight if you count Good Man and Hitler separately), plus Night and the Doctor, so it's not my priority to create one myself, even if I'm ambivalent to outright killing the page.
== Temporary forums ==


::Though one thing that bugged me about Sarah Jane's old page was that it only included her post-Doctor stories. Given your "include every story, even if it's undated for now" comment obviously goes against it, that obviously wouldn't fly now. Though for Sarah Jane, that would probably need communication between that page and the Third and Fourth Doctor pages to make sure that those don't vary wildly. And, yes, there's overlap, but Sarah Jane was one of eight companions (less, depending on whether you consider the later ones "really" Fifth Doctor territory) over the Fourth Doctor's seven years.
Hey! Hope all is well in your neck of the woods. Since you've been away, a new discussion's been going on, with our continuing need for forums to get things done again. As we've been in a transition period for a while, and [[user:CzechOut]]'s still busy preparing the next stage of evolution, some users have proposed we make space for these necessary conversations.


::I'm not that familiar with Big Finish, so I'm afraid to give judgement on the Companion Chronicles' format, nor when the short stories are supposed to be set. I think for a companion to count, they should either have a timeline that meets the Doctor in a different order to him, or otherwise returns to him after a massive ''narrative'' gap (200 years may have passed between The God Complex and The Wedding of River Song, but it's only two episodes narratively), or involve a lot of stories after ceasing to be a ''Doctor Who'' regular. Jack and Sarah Jane obviously will do with pages, given that both have had their own series and Sarah Jane's involvement spans the third through eleventh Doctor's eras.
Would be good to get another eye on this. Do you think you could have a look? It's over at [[Tardis talk:Temporary forums]]. {{User:SOTO/sig}} 07:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


::Of course, that leaves the whole point that that's not what I was getting at to begin with. By "companion addition and subtraction", I meant stuff like pointing out every instance when companions (as well as Torchwood members on a proposed Jack's page and allies of Sarah Jane come and go) arrive and leave. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 14:01, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
== Discussions AbuseFilter ==


::: Revisiting this, I've been thinking, with a couple of short-term exceptions, wouldn't ''all'' "additions and subtractions" as I put it qualify as relevant to story placements? I.e. "Martha is present, placing it between ''Gridlock'' and ''Utopia''", or "Amy and Rory are travelling together, placing it either between ''The Vampires of Venice'' and ''The Hungry Earth'' or ''A Christmas Carol'' and ''The God Complex''". -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 14:41, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
Hey! A new feature is available on Discussions - Discussions AbuseFilter (DAF). This is designed to be a tool to help moderation on Discussions, if certain behaviours are being disruptive and making manual moderation difficult:


::: Hmm. Not all of the "limiting factors" sections, in particular, the ones on timeline pages that I started, use that pattern. That's actually probably a good place, come to think of it. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 15:15, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
* [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Special:DiscussionsAbuseFilter DAF page (not enabled yet but I can do)]
* [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DToast/Introducing_Discussions_AbuseFilter Announcement blog]
* [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Discussions_AbuseFilter Help page]


== Spelling ==
Not compulsory for anyone to use it etc, just letting you know it's here. As a note about forums, I have asked Czech about it and I know he is aware it's still needed. If I can help with anything though, please give me a shout on here or Discord! --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/> 20:36, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


How do you get the tool bar at the bottom to say customise instead of customize? I'm an admin of SWBF wiki and would like to know how to implement this on my wiki. {{SUBST:User:Kingofall42/SigReal|{{SUBST:{''Predated&nbsp;''}}}}. 16:09, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
== Joledex? ==


== Timeline ==
Im not really sure because it has been a while back. Maybe because I wasn't sure about the spelling of the name 08:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


I was thinking about re-starting the timeline for the Second Doctor at [[Forum:Timeline - Second Doctor]], sencse I have a very firm understanding of Season 6B and placement. Would this be okay? [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 02:07, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
== Admin nomination ==
Hi Tangerineduel, just wanted to ping you to let you know that the admin nomination for [[User:Bongolium500]] at [[Tardis:User rights nominations]] has passed the one week threshold and is ready for conclusion. Hope you've been well! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 14:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
: Hey — cheers on closing Bongolium's nomination, but just letting you know that his actual user rights don't appear to have been changed yet? <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 13:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
::Ah, makes sense! Thanks. (This is just why we need Bongolium; I'm no good at the coding stuff…) <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 13:43, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


== Timeline - First Doctor ==
== Re:Admin - Welcome! ==


I'm not familiar enough with the First Doctor's chronology to directly edit myself, so I'd like some clarification.
Thanks for the welcome! Don't worry about the wait: everyone has their busy moments. I look forward to getting started with some of my new responsibilities! [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:20, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


I'm not 100% whether "between ''The War Machines'' and ''The War Machines''" is a typo, or whether it actually means before the final scene of the story as pointed out on the timeline section, but it's confusingly worded the way it currently is.
== Temporary Forums Are Live! ==
Hello!


Also, I would have thought thought that statements on the back of "past Doctor" novels ''were'' official enough to "count", or at least hold a lot more weight than The Complete Adventures and DWRG, or is it still too [[Tardis:Canon policy#Secondary sources|secondary source-y]] to qualify. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 19:07, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
Just wanted to notify you that, [[User:CzechOut]]'s final deadline of "by New Year's Day" having passed, and following in-depth discussion between myself and fellow admins [[User:SOTO]], [[User:OncomingStorm12th]] and [[User:Bongolium500]], we have decided to '''activate [[Tardis:Temporary forums]]''', come what may. A [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice|sitenotice]] has been set to inform the community of this development, and I am taking it upon myself to personally update [[Tardis:Administrators|our Administrators]] on the situation, as well as yourself.


== FP deletions ==
As the name implies, we hope the Temporary Forums will remain — well — temporary. Any work on reactivating proper DPL Forums will still be welcome and appreciated; this system is a further fine-tuning of the setup Bongolium500 had proposed in December 2021, which it means is designed from the ground up to be '''easy to transfer into the actual DPL Forums''' if we should get those back in the near future after all.


Hi, Tangerineduel. I see that you deleted [[Caldera]], which is fine per the community's decision about Faction Paradox. But in future, do you think that before FP deletions, you could copy the material to the Faction Paradox wiki? I've copied the old content of [[Caldera]] to {{fp|Caldera}}, but that's just because I happened to notice the deletion. Ideally, any FP material that's removed here should be relocated there (and eventually edited into a FP-based perspective, but it's better to copy the ''Doctor Who'' version over than simply to delete it). Thanks! —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <sup>[[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk to me]]</sup> 04:43, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
But it has been ''multiple years'' since the Wiki has had a venue for changing policy and forming community consensus on important matters. Bongolium500 and SOTO put forward the first draft of the Temporary Forums a full ''year'' ago — and were convinced to retract it by a promise that the real Forums would come ‘very soon’; and here we are. I don't think anyone's at fault; I do think everyone has the Wiki's best interests at heart. But the time has come to realise that the overly-optimistic strategy of endlessly putting off an imperfect temporary solution in pursuit of a perfect one "soon" has failed, resoundingly. It is time for a different approach. The Tardis community are ''owed'' a different approach. If you ''have'' active DPL Forums to give us, we will take them gladly. But we cannot sacrifice one more promising alternative to a nebulous future possibility which has already proven more difficult to achieve that you'd expected several times over. It is our hope that you can understand respect our decision in this matter.


:No problem. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <sup>[[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk to me]]</sup> 18:32, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
We [[four surviving elementals|four elementals]] behind the Temporary Forums would like to reassure the rest of the admin team that this necessary step '''is not intended to create more work for them unbidden'''. Four are, if it comes to that, plenty enough to keep the peace a Forum with no more than six threads running at a time; we would be thrilled to see the rest of the team embracing the Temporary Forums, but please don't feel any ''obligation'' to do so.


::This is sorta my fault because I temporarily halted the process of importing actual content in order to focus on the importation of templates, policies and MediaWiki stuff, just to get the ''structure'' in place.  I have ''most'' of the content imported but not quite all of it.  If I could, I'd like to call a moratorium on FP deletions until 1 July, just so I can check and double check things.
Happy New Year, happy editing — and happy contribution to the New Forums!


::On a related note, can I please impose on you to accept bureaucrat status at [[w:c:factionparodox]]?  This will not require you to do any work, if you don't want to, but it will ensure that the Faction Paradox wiki won't die if something should happen to me/my computer/my internet connection/whatever.  [[User:Revanvolatrelundar]] has already accepted admin status, which I'm going to confer in the next week or so, once the structure is complete.  I expect that he'll be the "main" engineer on the train once the tracks are laid.
<span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 11:03, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


::The FP wiki has failed twice before because there wasn't a "backup bureaucrat", so I hope you'll accept.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}18:40: Sun&nbsp;10 Jun 2012&nbsp;</span>
== Bot ==


== Main page "featured articles" ==
Hi, I was wondering if you knew what the process was for an admin to obtain a bot? [[T:HOW BOT]] seems geared towards non-admins. I have experience with programming and would like to use a bot to automate certain tasks. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:51, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
: I'm familiar with the technical process of bot creation. However, all a bot really is is a second account with the bot user group which can only be granted by a bureaucrat so I was wondering what the procedure to obtain this is, if there is a procedure, or if I should just create the account and point it your way for you to add the admin and ot user groups. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
:: Thanks. I've created [[User:Botgo50]]. If you could assign it the "administrator" and "bot" user groups, that would be great. This is less important to me, but, while you're at it, would you be able to assign my main account "administrator (Semantic MediaWiki)"? I think I'm the only person using [[T:SMW|SMW]] at the moment and this group would be useful. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)


As we discussed in the probably too-distant past, the "featured article" element of the main page has now been randomised.  It works pretty much like the quote and dyk randomisers. There's one template — {{tlx|Doctor Who Wiki/Aotm}} — which is actually on the main page and controls the randomisation math.  The {{tlx|aotm}} template is the "hub" for all the individual, numbered templates like {{tlx|aotm/1}} and {{tlx|aotm/2}}, and its documentation gives you an easy overview of the article creation process.  So far, 27 articles are in the mix, drawn mostly from the past featured article nominees.  This is enough to make it basically "work", but if we get 100 articles in the mix, having the same article randomly appear twice will be almost impossible.  With 27, seeing the same article twice in a row happens about every 20 reloads. 
== Heads up about the thanks extension ==


There's also a preloadable template, {{tlx|aotm/preload}}, that's been created for easy manufacture of new articles.  Note that the commented instructions on the preload should be followed exactly, as the articles slot into the parent {{tlx|aotm}} in a precise way. After some experimentation, I've determined that a paragraph of maybe 3 to 4 sentences (say ~150 words) works best with the other elements on the right column, and tends to produce a main page right column of approximately equal length to the left column. {{tlx|aotm/5}} is a good example of proper length. (Of course, I'm talking "proper length" ''in Wikia'' when there's one, a normal-height advertisement. All bets are off in Monobook — though {{tlx|aotm/5}} seems to work there with browsers opened to widescreen orientation — and in Wikia when one of the gigantically long ads is served.
Hi. I just wanted to give you a heads up that Tardis is testing the "thanks" extension which Fandom will be rolling out to all wikis soon. This extension allows editors to thank other editors for their edits. The editor being thanked will then recieve a notification. Therefore, while you're actively performing edits, you may receieve a few more notifications than normal. If you notice any bugs, pass them onto [[User:Spongebob456]]. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


Because this new system is now "live" all policy and archive pages regarding the old system have now been deleted.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}20:41: Wed&nbsp;13 Jun 2012&nbsp;</span>
== Re: Tardis Data Core change to Tardis Wiki ==
== MW update ==
Did we actually decide to officially change the name? If so, I can run through the Tardis namespace with my bot and get things updated. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
I can't predict everything that might happen as a result of the update.  But the issue is more one of an interaction between Wikia's add-ons than my own. It's indeed possible that some things will briefly not work right, and other "fixes"  will be obsolted by the new software.  But it's sorely overdue.  The core MediaWiki software has been out of date for approaching two years.  Wikipedia have long used higher versions than Wikia.  So there is a need to bite the bullet and do it, no matter the consequences. (Wikipedia will still be at a higher version, I think, because they tend to be at the bleeding edge, which is .20.)  Of course, these updates have happened many times since 2004 and we've barely noticed.  This one will be felt more keenly because we're skipping over so several different versions.  In the past, we've typically incremented every full version or so, but this time we're going up by about three versions at once.  This is going to fix a ''lot'' of bugs, but I'd by lying if I said that I knew ''exactly'' what effect it's going to have.  Wikia's whole approach to the rollout — first going with test wikis, then going with moderate use wikis, then with the biggies — suggests that they, too, are optimistic enough to announce a plan, but cautious. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}20:57: Fri&nbsp;15 Jun 2012&nbsp;</span>


== Archived ebooks ==
: For what it's worth it's not ''my'' understanding that "Tardis Data Core" is obsolete. We were, and remain, "the Tardis Data Core Wiki" in full; our old logo abridged this to ''Tardis Data Core'', the new one abridges it to ''Tardis Wiki''. That's my read. But if mileages on this vary too heavily (it seems concerning that out of us three no one is actually ''sure''), we may need a thread to try and gauge what the community actually wants before we do anything drastic either way. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 15:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)


Hi, Tangerineduel. I saw that you [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Scales_of_Injustice_(novel)?diff=next&oldid=1099667 removed] the link to the ebook of ''The Scales of Injustice'' on the Wayback Machine, but I wasn't certain why. Was it out of concern for copyright, or for some other reason? If so, does the fact that the novels used to be available for free have any bearing on the decision?
:: I actually thought our full name was "Tardis Data Core, the Doctor Who Wiki". [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)


Most of the pages for the other [[:Category:E-books|ebooks]] that the BBC published on its website back in the day still contain dead links to those pages. If there hasn't been a discussion about what to do with those links, we should probably have one. And if there has been a discussion, could you please point me towards it? Thanks. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <sup>[[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk to me]]</sup> 19:38, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
::: I agree that a forum thread is a good idea. Does anyone particuarly want to start it? If not, I'm happy to do so within a few days. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


:Hey, we did discuss it, indeed you even agreed with me. See [[Forum:How should we deal with link rot?]]. I did as I suggested on the thread, I removed the link and added a text only version to the Notes section. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 07:34, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
:: Ah, excellent! [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 10:45, 14 July 2023 (UTC)


::So I did. How embarrassing. Please to ignore my idiocy. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <sup>[[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk to me]]</sup> 15:24, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
::: Great! [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:48, 14 July 2023 (UTC)


==Canon policy name==
== Can you give admin to my bot? ==
Well, the thing is that "tardis:canon policy" has been references a lot on the wiki.  And "project:canon policy" is quite a common page name on wikis-based wikis.  There's one at Wookiee, MemAlpha, etc.  It seems to serve a useful function, in that it gives people a familiar page to go to — whereupon they discover that, oh my!, there is no canon in DW.  I think it's useful as a repurposed page that says "there is no canon policy, this is why, now run along to [[tardis:valid sources]], please."


I'm not wedded to the idea, but that was the conceit when I rewrote it. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}21:28: Sat&nbsp;30 Jun 2012&nbsp;</span>
Hi, I've been running [[User:Botgo50]] relatively succesfully for a while now but it'd be really helpful if it could be given admin, mostly so that it can edit protected pages. Would you be able to do that next time you're arround? Thanks. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:02, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


== 9/11 ==
== Re: Bot admin request ==


I think Donna referenced Gitmo, or Guantanamo Bay in ''The Sontaran Stratagem'', which is an indirect post-9/11 reference, but otherwise I don't think the terrorist attacks have appeared anywhere on TV. That said, that edit on [[11 September]] is still too speculatory to keep. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 19:19, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much! [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


== Front page changes ==
== Admin+ ==
Keeping you apprised of a couple of changes to the front page:


*{{tlx|Doctor Who Wiki/Wikis}} has been changed so sas to hide the links to [[w:c:whospecialfeatures]], [[w:c:doctorwhofanon]] and [[w:c:dwexpanded]].  All three wikis have "gone cold".  No admin has edited at either for about a year, and they're all three just ''ugly''.  I'm considering applying to take over fanon and expanded, just to keep those communities alive, but I'm ineligible for a few more weeks due to my recent adoption of [[w:c:factionparadox]].  Wikia Staff probably won't go for my adoption, anyway, because I'm not genuinely interested in contributing to the main namespace — only to the MediaWiki, Forum and and Project namespaces.  For the moment, then, these three are out.
Hey there! I’m reaching out to introduce the Admin+ program (if you haven’t heard about it already!) & let you know I’m here if you have any questions about it. Take a look at the details [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Admin_Plus here] & feel free to send over any questions you have. <span style="font-family: Rubik; border-radius:8em; padding:0 5px; background:#d58494">[[User:Pikushi|<span style="color:#f1f5ff">pikushi ✧.*</span>]] </span>  <staff /> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
*You may have noticed that I've put up a temporary link to the Comic-Con wiki.  We also have a reciprocal link at the Comic-Con wiki itself.  This will be removed by the end of the month.  Hopefully it'll drive a little traffic our way, as they're ''supposed'' to be pushing that Wikia wiki, and by extension ours, on the con floor itself.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}13:50: Tue&nbsp;10 Jul 2012&nbsp;</span>


== Category yellow ==
== Request for help ==
That yellow was the yellow that was on forum/user talk pages.  I switched the two.  It's odd you think it's harsh on the eyes, though, because it's so barely there at all.  It's as light as yellow can go without being white.  Still, I'll cast around for some non-yellow thing.  I was considering going green, anyway — but that takes a ''little'' more work, since I'd have to change the link color away from blue.  Not to worry; I'll give it a second look within the week, and maybe even today.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}14:19: Tue&nbsp;10 Jul 2012&nbsp;</span>


== The Faction ==
Hi! I was wondering if I could get you to look into [[User talk:Shambala108#Something you might want to look into|this issue]]. For various reasons (which I would be glad to tell you if you wish), I don't feel I am the right person to address this, and I definitely don't think any of the newer admins could help. I feel like this situation is starting to remind me of [[Forum:What about Bob?|something from long ago]]. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


Hi, Tangerineduel.
== re:Recent edits ==


I noticed that you seem to be the one who's changed most of the references to Faction Paradox to "'''the''' Faction Paradox", on the grounds that they're referred to that way in their EDA appearances. I've just re-read ''Interference'', and that's not the case there: they're almost always called either "Faction Paradox" (no article) or "the Faction" (no Paradox). It's a minor note, but I think that there are a few places where the wiki's use of "the Faction Paradox" reads awkwardly, and when I come upon those I plan to change them — and I didn't want to get into an edit war with you over something so minor. Best, —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <sup>[[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk to me]]</sup> 01:25, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
I think I get what you're saying, but I wanted to ask for some clarification. I was always told it is best to leave a reason behind reversions in the edit summaries, but I think your saying to only do so for a limited number of times before taking things to a talk page? [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


:Hey. I probably did, when I first came to this wiki (I seem to remember writing something like that). Back then I hadn't really studied all the EDAs with intensity that I have further along. Now though with others having written more detailed articles than I have followed their leads. Don't worry about edit warring, the most I'd do is leave a note on your talk page. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 16:05, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
== Since you're on ==


::Cool beans. Just didn't want to step on anybody's toes. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <sup>[[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk to me]]</sup> 16:11, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
Can you block 119.111.220.93‎? It's some random user that will do a ton of vandalism, get blocked, and then come back under a new IP a few weeks later. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


== Thank you ==
== RE: Wild Blue Yonder Numbers ==
Thank you for stepping on on the [[List of DVD releases]] page![[User:Gallicus|Gallicus]] [[User talk:Gallicus|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:33, July 25, 2012 (UTC)


Hi there! Hope you are well. Per your response on my talk page, I wanted to check this. So does that mean it is best I leave those pages alone then and leave you and the order admins to sort out the whole merging thing? Looking forward to your reply. [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 11:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)


== Vandalism ==
== Re. Financial crisis of 2007 ==
Shouldn't the List Of BBC DVD Releases page be locked to prevent vandalism? I mean, this is an ongoing thing. {{unsigned|Darrendw}}
While I'm not an expert on the topic, it seems to me that the credit crunch was one of the events that followed the financial crisis of 2007; the 2008 credit crunch wasn't the "main" incident. Although "credit crunch of 2008" is stated in dialogue while "financial crisis of 2007" isn't (to the best of my knowledge) it seems misleading to name the page "credit crunch of 2008".


== Admin request ==
It'd be like if [[D-Day]] was named in the DWU but [[World War II]] wasn't; it'd be incorrect to name the larger conflict "D-Day", even though in this hypothetical situation that name isn't conjectural while the name of the larger conflict would be.
Sorry about that! If I need to further elaborate, I'll start a new section as opposed to adding to the existing one.  


To be perfectly honest, the reason that I haven't contributed extensively to the forum as that for quite a while I didn't even know that it existed and, after I learned of its existence and had a look at various topics, I found that people with the same views as me on various policies were often in the minority. Rather than helping them fight their corner, I simply left them to it. I've since changed my stance on the matter as I want to make more of an impact if I can on the Wiki's policies in the interest of making more accessible to new users, as I said. [[User:GusF|GusF]] [[User talk:GusF|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:28, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
But then, there easily could be a story that uses the name "financial crisis of 2007" somewhere, which maychave not been documented on the Wiki yet. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 13:53, 3 February 2024 (UTC)


: Two examples of large bodies of texts which I've contributed would be the in-universe article of Peri's mother [[Janine Foster]] and the real world page on the unproduced 1960s story [[The Laird of McCrimmon (TV story)]]. For the former, I basically included every piece of information about Peri's mother from novels, short stories and audio dramas in the interest of creating as informative a page as I possibly could. For the latter, I provided a brief summary of the storyline (as much of it as is known anyway) and, as regards the behind the scenes info, placed it in context with the what was going at the time that it was considered. e.g. [[Frazer Hines]]' impending departure and [[Mervyn Haisman]] and [[Henry Lincoln]]'s falling out with the production team regarding the rights to the [[Quark]]s.
== RE: Prop delete query ==


: An article which I would like to think shows off my skills and knowledge would be [[Who Killed Kennedy (novel)]], specifically the "Continuity" section thereof. (The plot summary section has nothing to do with me!) I think that it displays that I'm very knowledgeable about the classic series as a whole as I've noted the numerous references made to stories featuring almost every classic Doctor from [[An Unearthly Child (TV story)]] to [[Remembrance of the Daleks (TV story)]] in a novel which probably refers to more TV stories than any other non-reference book. The section is also written in as clear and concise manner as possible.
Hey! Sorry I missed your message; I still haven't adapted to talk page notifications being moved to the bell. It's been great seeing you around more recently, by the way.


: Some of the articles of which I'm most proud would be Who Killed Kennedy, [[The Reaping (audio story)|The Reaping]], [[Beautiful Things (audio story)]], [[The Crimes of Thomas Brewster (audio story)]] and [[The Emerald Tiger (audio story)]], though the respective references sections of the audio articles could certainly benefit from being reorganised into categories as you recommended. Thanks for the tip by the way! I'm keep it in mind! [[User:GusF|GusF]] [[User talk:GusF|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:21, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
At time of writing, the only of my user subpages not related to the Forum Archive is the ''Five Doctors'' home media sandbox page, from a project it was ultimately decided in the forums not to proceed with anymore. (Shambala actually added that tag, not me, but I've been holding onto it in case there happens to be a revival in the [[F:CLOISTERS|New Forums]].)


:: I certainly appreciate the sentiment of your last message on my talk page, Tangerineduel, but you haven't put me off editing on the Wiki. Don't worry. As well as editing it because I absolutely adore ''Doctor Who'', I also do so as it find very relaxing and, in some cases, even therapeutic so I'm glad to say that I'm here to stay.  
The Forum Archive has been on pause for a while due to a number of personal circumstances, and now it's a little stuck until I have access to a personal computer again, unfortunately. Those message-level pages (each message needs its own subpage due to the method of archiving, which meant organising large masses of files by adapting a spreadsheet made from an unrelated output) tagged were found to be spam posts, so the next step will be properly removing them from the final archive subpages before launch.


You never know, I am apply for admin status again some day if I feel I'm ready and have better met the requirements. Anyway, thanks again. [[User:GusF|GusF]] [[User talk:GusF|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:51, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
I should be able to complete those pre-launch steps from a library computer, come to think of it, so I hope to have time for that soon. I do appreciate your reminder!{{User:SOTO/sig}} 05:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)


== Unbounds ==
== Deletions ==


At a minimum, it needs pointing out that the wiki doesn't (at least as of now) consider that it's an alternative timeline, but closer to a what-if that we consider "out of bounds", if not on the behind the scenes pages, then at least in in-universe pages. I can ''maybe'' see the references to companions "foreshadowing" like [[C'rizz]] and [[Hex]] being readded. Either way, it's not strictly "continuity". If you still think I'm a bit overzealous with the stuff, then I'll hold it off for a while. Cuts on the in-universe pages are okay though, right? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 13:20, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
Two pages I added and edited were deleted.
Kiviniss Ak
And Rom Kor-Marisi
Were two character editions direct from author
Simon Guerrier
As listed in the credits.
Did I add them incorrectly?
Thank you {{Unsigned|BrentSmith66}}


== PNG ==
== Welcome ==


Read your comment on [[User:Clone gunner commander jedi]]'s page...I thought png was allowed for comic art, just not photographs, just so long that it didn't have something silly like over a megabyte in size. Or am I misreading what [[T:ICC]] means by "line drawings"? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 17:25, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
Well it's certainly great to have you! I'm glad you made it. I ''do'' seem to remember rumblings way back when in my own early days.
:In response to your question, both you and [[user:Tybort|Tybort]] are basically right here.  As Tybort says, .pngs and .svgs are okay for comic art.  But the target size for all pics is <100kb.  The rules do mention that file sizes of over 1mb in size will just be summarily deleted, but it ''also'' says that you should ''try'' to limit filesizes to <100kb.  The main reason for this range is that there are some pics, like the collages at [[the Master]] and [[the Doctor]] that would be very, very hard to keep below 100kb, but which are very, very easy to keep below 1mb. I certainly have deleted pics that were between 100kb and 1mb, and I'm pretty sure [[user:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] does too.  If it's perfectly obvious that a 523kb picture ''could'' have been made to come in under 100kb, then I'll delete it and leave a note on the contributor's page.


:Therefore your advice to [[User:Clone gunner commander jedi|Clone gunner commander jedi]] is essentially correct.  While .pngs are ''allowed'' for comic pics, it takes some jiggerypokery to get a png that's, say, 800px wide to have a file size under 100kb.  This is usually more achievable with monochromatic comics than modern, full-colour, fully-shaded ones. For instance, if you just took a screenshot with the Mac OS X screenshot facility available to you with {{cmd}} {{key|shift}} {{key|4}}, the resulting image would — by default — be a .png.  But you almost certainly couldn't immediately upload that .png to our site cause it would be over 100kb. 
I can't imagine it ''would'' be fun sticking around with most of our support forked over here. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't sad to leave it behind, as exciting as all these new opportunities are to build the wiki the way we want it!


:I just did it on an 1000px area of text on my left monitor and it came it at 115kb.  Another test I just performed was of an entire pane of a monochromatic TV Comic, at 800px width, and got 400kb.  To get that down, I'd have to run it through a graphics program like Photoshop and try to compress it. But that takes a little bit of doing.  Much easier just to convert it to .jpg, where I could get it down to 10-40kb with no appreciable degradation of image. 
I'm going to make a concerted effort soon to import missed changes from the 5 or so days we missed during final preparations, by the way. If there's anything in particular you want me to bring over from before you got here, so you don't feel you have to re-do edits, do let me know!


:So:
(Incidentally, I've [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Interwiki_map#Tardis_Wiki put in a request over at Wikimedia] for them to add us to their inter-wikis. Might take a while before that's approved, but I thought it might be of interest, since that seems to be closer to your neck of the woods than mine.)


:*'''Screenshots/photographs''': .jpg only. Delete .pngs on site, even if below 100kb, because the concern here is really the replicable quality of a .png versus a .jpg.  Someone could grab a .png from us and make a T-shirt of it downstream.  So using .jpg is not only something which limits the size, but it shows we're making a good-faith effort to comply with fair use guidelines.
EDIT: Importing means preserving the edit history, which is generally preferable, but there's also nothing wrong with bringing things back up to date yourself. Especially given they're ''our own edits''.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 05:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
:*'''Comics''': .jpg is still the ''preferred'' format, but if the editor can get it in ''under'' 100kb in .png/.svg, we probably won't mess with it. (I ''would'' delete comic ''proof'' art — that is, art without the balloons and lettering, if it were in .svg/.png. This is because such images could be used downstream to make other goods illegally, whereas word balloons tend to limit the downstream utility of comic images.)
: Ah, one other thing. As bureaucrats, on the independent wiki we now have access to [[Special:RenameUser]]. It really does what it says on the tin. Users might approach you with [[Help:Changing your username|user rename requests]] now.
:*'''Transparencies''': can only be achieved with .png and .svg, so these formats ''must'' be allowed for instances when transparency is required. Generally, transparencies are needed only for images tagged {{tlx|maintenance}}, but company logos, as at [[BBCA]] and [[Quick Reads]], are also in .png ''because'' of the alpha channel that .png/.svg has, but .jpg does not. Most editors, however, will never fool with transparencies on our site, because transparency isn't required in most pictures.


:This means that there is nothing wrong with simplifying all this to "just use .jpg" as you with with Clone Commander. The policy allows .png and .svg for line drawings simply because it's silly to deny those formats — if the editor knows what they're doing with Photoshop. But it's just as well to say to someone that you ''recommend'' that they just use .jpg.
: So long as there's nothing against the name in [[Tardis:Username policy]], and the username doesn't already have any registered edits on Tardis, I see no reason not to fulfil them. I have been recommending that users place their old name somewhere visible on their user pages, though, for the avoidance of confusion.


:Hope that helps. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}15:03: Wed&nbsp;15 Aug 2012&nbsp;</span>
: (I've only done one so far. It never once occurred to me before this would be something I'd be doing.){{User:SOTO/sig}} 05:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)


== Technical Advice ==
=== Renaming users ===
:: That is a really good point regarding the potential for abuse. I had only really considered allowing requests from long-term trusted users.


Hey, TD. Before I ask my question, I'd like to thank you for giving me another chance; I have learned from my many mistakes during the past few months, but I realise that I have a lot to do before I can earn back some trust around here.  
:: We'll need something in place to prevent user rename requests from being fulfilled that would too closely resemble other well-known users, for one thing... which can be hard to scale when the once-active user they might be confused for is long-gone. (Maybe checking against [[Special:ListUsers]], ordered by edit count, up to a certain point, should be procedure, in case.)


And now for my main message: I noticed that, unlike other Wikis, TARDIS Wiki's  "new messages" notification instead says "you have a hypercube (at). You know what I mean? Would you happen to know how to edit that notification thing on other Wikis?
:: We'll definitely need to lay out clearer policy. Watching out for signs of sockpuppet abuse is another, definitely. I think the first thing I'd lay out is a minimum threshold of time or number of edits with us in order to make the request. Maybe it should be on a public page, like a smaller-scale [[Tardis:User rights nominations]].
In case you're wondering why, I'm asking 'cos I'm thinking of reprogramming said "notification" on ZimWiki (where I'm an admin) so that it instead says "Incoming transmission (from)", so that it's more in line with the Wiki's general theme. Unfortunately, I'm no expert at programming, so.. Here I am.  


Thanks,
:: A user requesting a name change would have to fill out a template where they confirm they meet the requirements. Maybe we'd allow very small scale changes to the name '''exactly once''' even soon after account creation, in the case of typos and such, but then require that they stick with us first.
[[User: Dr. Anonymous1]] 14:57, August 22, 2012 (UTC)


Well, thanks anyway.
:: The one thing I'd like to avoid is blindly approving any request from a user we don't really know. I think we can make it work, though!


Also, another annoying question: I read in a 2010 interview with Steven Moffat (Brilliant Book 2011) that he's keeping the RTD-era Daleks in action, and that the new ones are serving as an "officer class". Would this be worth mentioning in the relevant articles? [[User: Dr. Anonymous1]] 15:43, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
:: (P.S. I brought in [[Tardis:User talk pages]].){{User:SOTO/sig}} 06:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)


Well, it was already officially confirmed by 2010, and I have seen numerous officially released things (from trailers to even "Character Building" sets) that further back it up.
::: It's looking good so far! Do I have your permission to make small changes while it's still in your sandbox?


That's another thing: spoilers. What is the official criteria for a spoiler? I mean, they're given away like Halloween candy in BBC-released trailers... Yet Steven Moffat says that anyone who deals out spoilers is considered to be a "vandal". Kind of a paradox, don't you think? Does this mean that all of the people involved in creating the DW promos on TV are vandals?
::: It might also be good to quickly say that Tardis bureaucrats reserve the right to adjust the minimum number of edits (agreed, amount of time would be a bad idea) as new request data comes in. Please continue editing with us if you haven't met the mark yet! (Making sure to keep to good-faith edits. We probably need to introduce a variant on the GOR rules for hitting edit requirements.)
[[User: Dr. Anonymous1]] 16:08, August 22, 2012 (UTC)


OK, then. Thanks. [[User: Dr. Anonymous1]] 16:20, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
::: Also, if we are formally suggesting that new-ish users make new accounts (instead of granting one minor rename request in the first week, which ''does'' count in using up their 12 months), we'll have to make clear that they need to declare their old account per [[T:SOCK]], unless they didn't make any edits with us.


== Compulsory message wall ==
::: Agreed on requirement to declare your old account for 6 months minimum. There should also be something, perhaps a separate page like [[Help:My rename request was rejected]], which makes clear that repeated attempts to log for already-rejected names (or still too similar to them, or during a period when you have no "token") will result in a warning and then a temporarybban. If you've already been rejected, and you're not sure, ask a bureaucrat clarifying questions before submitting a request.
You asked before whether Wikia could force us to take the message wall. Well, of course, they have the technical ability to force it on us, sure.  And I do think this was their plan originally.  But if you look at the status under [[Special:WikiFeatures]], you'll see that only 9600 wikis have chosen to enable the feature.  Compared with the popularity of other optional features, like the new navigation bar (150k wikis) and the achievements game (100k), it's barely implemented at all.  It's basically at the level of Top 10 Lists, which has been — at least so far as I can figure out — all but abandoned by Wikia.


In fairness, though, the new nav bar is default for new wikis, and the achievement game might be too. But still, people aren't turning it off.  A fair comparison might be the Chat module, which definitely isn't default.  17K have enabled that, compared to only 9.5k for the message wall.  And you can see why if you follow all the discussions at [[w:c:community]].  It's really, really not popular amongst the established users.  And since established users tend to be admin, the feature is turned off on the overwhelming majority of wikis.
::: [[User:Bongolium500|Bongo]] can probably make us a form with the required inputs, so it automatically creates a new section with syntax for user stats, once we get <code><nowiki>{{#editcount:USER}}</nowiki></code> up and running (and a link to a DPL page I can work on building for help finding similar usernames). But it might be worth manually checking.


That said, Wikia are trying to make it more attractive.  They've just implemented a new forum structure which depends on the Message Wall system. It's active at [[w:c:avatar]] if you want to look at it. And I gotta say, I ''love'' that addition. It's great to get a notification when a forum thread has changed.  If they could just lock down the time during which alterations can be made, so that our local policies weren't so obviously offended, I'd think that the disadvantages would outweigh the advantages. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}17:01: Wed&nbsp;22 Aug 2012&nbsp;</span>
::: Officially halting all user rename requests until we have this all set up and worked out.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 06:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


==Brackets==
:::: (I do also wonder if we should decide what to do in cases where new users have given themselves policy-breaking names like "Tardis admin" or some hate speech. Should we, by course, rename the user to "Permablock--638528", ie. some random string of 6 digits (wouldn't want anyone to see it as a leaderboard, in sequence), in order to remove that vandalism/bothersome claim, after blocking?)
Sorry, thanks for telling me. [[User:Cyruptsaram|Cyruptsaram:Head Administrator]] [[User talk:Cyruptsaram|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:12, August 27, 2012 (UTC)


==Administrator==
:::: (It seems to me that would be a good idea.){{User:SOTO/sig}} 06:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
How do I mark my signature as Head Administrator on one website without it copying onto the other? Because I need that signature on another wiki, but I do understand why it interferes. [[User:Cyruptsaram|Cyruptsaram]] [[User talk:Cyruptsaram|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:42, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


It just that im not sure if its either Jolodex or Jodelex [[User:Sclera1|Sclera1]] [[User talk:Sclera1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:55, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I've gone ahead and made a few relatively minor changes to [[Tardis:User rename policy]], and I've streamlined the request page to make things easier. I also added in the total number of requests a user has made in the section heading (needs to be manually changed from #1 for further requests).


I was editing some sections of The Doctor's page, and when I looked at the wiki contributions page, it said that I had added a bunch of pictures, but I didn't. Any idea why? [[User:The powers|The powers]] [[User talk:The powers|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:38, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
I'm pretty happy with both pages, personally. I've also updated [[Help:Changing your username]] now.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 08:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


== File deletion reply ==
=== Checkuser checks and balances ===
: On a separate but related note, we also have the ability to grant users (read: ourselves) the <code>checkuser</code> role, which is even more serious.


Sorry about that! I will remember in future. Cheers for the reminder. [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 10:05, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
: Bongo suggested — and I agree — that for complete transparency, only when it's absolutely necessary to check for suspected socks, we will '''''temporarily''''' assign that role, perform the check, and then remove it again. Logs of any checkuser scan are also provided to the public, including an admin summary.


==New nav bar==
: I strongly suggest we hold off on this for as long as possible, as we get settled in and update our policies. We need to think deeply about oversight and transparency, now that [[T:LOCAL WINS|local policy really ''does'' prevail]].
So they're forcing the new navbar on us.  It goes live 3 October.  I will try to have something ready on or before that date.  Please don't enable it here before I do, because it obviously has to be heavily styled.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 20:09: Thu 20 Sep 2012</span>
:Wikia are helpfully sending me some tech backup early next week, because they recognise we have some special design needs on this wiki.  It's possible that, with their assistance, we'll go live with the new nav sooner than 3 October. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 04:03: Sat 22 Sep 2012</span>


== Unknown dates ==
: If you'd find it helpful, I can also invite you to a space where such things can be discussed with our sysadmins, who laid out our [[Tardis:Privacy policy|Privacy policy]] and [[Tardis:General disclaimer|General disclaimer]].{{User:SOTO/sig}} 06:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Well, I do think that it makes it more accurate and somewhat more informative really as it makes it clear to the user that the date wasn't established. Plus I've always thought that arranging the information on the year pages looks better stylistically as well as more professional looking. In my view, leaving it as an introduction or lead-in paragraph looks a bit, well, slapdash frankly. I was using the style of the year pages on Wikipedia as a rough guide. That was my thinking behind it. [[User:GusF|GusF]] [[User talk:GusF|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:13, September 21, 2012 (UTC)


== Complete blog deletion ==
== RE: Thanks ==
Blogs have been temporarily turned back on so I can actually delete all the blog comments and the blog posts themselves.  The fact that they were still there was causing the bot to abort as I was trying to changeover all the prefixes, because some blog posts and comments used the old prefixes.  So when the blog went to do a run, it would get stopped by the fact that it detected a page that needed changing, but it couldn't access it. 


BLogs will be again deactivated after I completely delete them. Unfortunately, I have to delete the blog ''comments'' before the blog ''posts'', so the run will likely take several hours instead of just a few minutes.
You're very welcome. Lovely to have you! {{User:Aquanafrahudy/Sig}}


Until then, please don't turn off blogs, as this will foobar the whole process.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 04:01: Sat 22 Sep 2012</span>
== Bumbling around the new place ==


==Prefix status==
Hello! A bit late, but I’m finding my way around the new digs. I was “surprised-but-not-surprised” when I learned the news of the migration; I certainly have seen enough headaches from arbitrary Fandom diktats to understand the reasons for the decision.
Prefix changeover is going apace, but I do keep getting blocked by unexpected challenges.  The latest is this blog hiccup that's forced me to stop for a few hours to delete ''everything'' blog-related so the bot won't see the unavailable.  However, upwards of 90% of all prefixes have been changed over, and I'm in the process of actually deleting prefixes that no longer have links.  I am close to reaching the point where the bot will no longer be useful, because people simply have used the wrong prefix, and the bot can't be programmed to expect completely random usage of some prefixes.  I estimate that by Monday, all the in-universe prefixes that have been agreed at [[Forum:Prefix simplification]] will have been actually changed.  Over 30,000 pages have so far been altered in this project. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 04:23: Sat 22 Sep 2012</span>
:We're not quite to the manual stage ''just'' yet.  You can be assured, however, that I'm probably gonna just present you with a list and get back to doing other things. But the list likely won't be ''that'' long.  Most of these prefixes are in fact whittled down to zero by the series of bot runs that I've done.  I shouldn't think the final manual run will be too much more than 100 pages. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 05:23: Sat 22 Sep 2012</span>


== New nav ==
Although I was an infrequent editor and an even more infrequent admin on the old site, it would be nice to retain the admin bit. (Like the Doctor’s “parts” that Cassandra refers to in “New Earth”, it’s nice to have them even if they are “barely used.”)
The CSS for new nav is now essentially complete.  Unfortunately, enabling new nav had a number of knock on effects that were not widely reported, and these secondary effects are taking a bit of time to track down and restyle.  For instance, the article tally (PagesOnWiki) module is gone once you enable new nav, which meant that I had to figure out what to do about the little greeter thingie ("come, play the Game of Rassilon")  that was attached to the PagesOnWiki module.  This then required doing something about the loss of word wrapping in the "Recent Wiki Activity" module.  So because we were forced to change one thing, we had to address several other issues.


Luckily, they gave me not just one but two Wikia Staff members to bounce ideas off, and they helped me cut through the problems in a fraction of the time. There's only one or two more fiddly bits to worry about and they're coming back tomorrow for another round of discussions.
Please let me know if there is anything I should be aware of about in the change beyond what’s in the general announcements. Thanks! —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] [[User talk:Josiah Rowe|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:35, 2 March 2024 (UTC)


In this case I can truly say that, although Wikia have forced a round of changes, they have at least provided excellent assistance in implementing their required changes.
:Ooh, that was quick! Looks like SOTO took care of it without me even asking! Now, that’s service! Never mind me, then. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] [[User talk:Josiah Rowe|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC)


Practical upshot for you is that you may feel free to edit [[MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation]] (there's also a convenient link under the new "Contribute" button.) I feel like I've given my best shot, for the moment, at the actual content of the menu. 
== "Talking dog" ==
Hey, I really do appreciate your going through the proposed mergers lately, but [[Talk:Talking dog]] was an ongoing discussion; it wasn't settled that it should be merged. Do please check these things! As you know, it's very tricky to ''undo'' a merge that was done in error. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)


Coupla words of advice, though.  Be ''very'' careful with the words you display at the 1 and 2 asterisk level.  These "button labels" can't be too long, or it throws the box completely off.  Short labels of no more than 8 characters work best, but you can sometimes massage it to give you more characters.  You basically just have to be mindful of the fact that it's possible to "break" the design by using too many characters on the first and second rows.
== Unnecessary category redirects ==


Also, as for the link to [[Tardis:Help]], I'm not too keen.  Ultimately, [[Tardis:Tardis Manual]] will take the place of [[Tardis:Help]]. There may be some wisdom, however, to creating a new submenu called "help", and putting the Tardis Manual under that, along with direct links to several key help files. In any event, [[Tardis:Help]] will ultimately be deleted as redundant. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 03:22: Tue 25 Sep 2012</span>
Hi Tangerine, would you be able to delete [[:Category:4DA Series 9 audio story images]] and [[:Category:The Fourth Doctor Adventures Series 9 audio anthology images]], as they are both unused and unnecessary; only existing because of mistakes whilst moving categories. The source code seems to be locked for them both though, so I can't put a delete tag there myself.


== Revert ==
Ta, {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 23:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
 
Why did you revert my edit? K9 is not an official Doctor Who spin-off, not any more than e.g. [[Downtime]] - it only licenses the titular character from its creator, it's not licensed from BBC in anyway, unlike the other spin-offs listed.

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Wiki Manager[[edit source]]

Hi Tangerineduel! My name is Playsonic2 and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager assigned to TARDIS Data Core. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff.

I also happen to be an administrator at the Spanish Doctor Who Wiki, which has me spending considerable amount of time here (adding interlanguage links mostly). I know this wiki wonderfully organised and that CzechOut assists with any technical issues, but if there are ever any issues I could assist with, I would be pleased to help. I will be available on my talk page! ~Playsonic2 09:03, May 20, 2019 (UTC)

Heya! Just here to let you know that Fandom now has an official Discord server and lots of editors are joining. In this blog post at Community Central you can find more information, as well as a server invite link if you wish to join us. There are many editors there, as well as staff members, and a variety of channels. Cheers! Playsonic2 ☎ 07:46, July 11, 2019 (UTC)

BBC[[edit source]]

Hi, thanks for merging the BBC pages. I just finished removing all the links to "BBC (real world)" and deleted that page. User:OncomingStorm12th and I cleaned up the BBC page, so it flows better. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 02:20, June 28, 2019 (UTC)

Mark I Travel Machine[[edit source]]

Hi there. This will be a blast from the past: over ten years ago now you edited AUDIO: Guilt and added a note that the prototype Dalek seen in the story was of the same design (by description and implication) seen in TV: The Daleks. If you remember could you please elaborate on this description and implication as I find it hard to reconcile this fact as the Daleks Davros eventually presented to the world were Mark III Travel Machines and not Mark Is. Thanks in advance. --Borisashton ☎ 12:01, September 21, 2019 (UTC)

About the Deceased category[[edit source]]

A few days ago, I noticed there was no deceased category for this wiki, so I thought I should create one. So I tried, and saw that you had chosen for this page not to be created, as you judged it not useful since all articles were written in the past tense. Of course, a deceased category for a time-travel related series isn't an easy task. Should be put any characters that most likely died of old age in this category ? Personally, I don't think so. In my opinion, if we were to have such a category on this wiki, only the ones whose deaths were either witnessed in the series or seen as absolute (for instance Amy and Rory's), when we know those characters will very most likely never be seen again. Well, they could in some extreme cases, then they will just be removed. So as you probably have guessed by now, I am writing this message to you in order to ask you to re-considerate your decision regarding this category. Of course, in the case where you would accept, I would gladly take care of filling this category myself (i have seen all the new series but not the old ones yet, it's only a matter of time). I will then await for your decision on this matter, With all due respect,

ThePurpleShadow ☎ 13:21, October 27, 2019 (UTC)

Re:Deceased category[[edit source]]

Thanks to your message, I now understand your point of view better. There is indeed a lot I didn't take into account when I thought this category was needed on this wiki. I usually visit wikis and recently have been adding/completing deceased categories on others, like Reborn's for example. So when I saw this one I thought it was missing, and it could have been useful. But now I see why this isn't the case, and I am sorry I bothered you for such a matter. Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to write me a reply that could enlighten me about this wiki,

ThePurpleShadow ☎ 19:15, October 29, 2019 (UTC)

Tardis:User rights nominations[[edit source]]

Hi. As you know, since you left a brief comment there, I've started a self-nomination over Tardis:User rights nominations. I'm not sure how up-to-track you've been keeping yourself around the wiki, but I thought of bringing to your attention that the usual "one week" period for comments has passed, and you might (if you have the time to, of course) weight in if more time's need or something of the sorts. Anyway, thanks in advance. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 23:36, January 31, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw on your "contributions" section that you still show up once in a while. I'm glad to see this. Also, thanks for closing it. Now into new territory. :) OncomingStorm12th ☎ 14:54, February 1, 2020 (UTC)

Left-over vandalism[[edit source]]

Hey. Thanks for dealing with the two vandals just now. As per the restrictions in Tardis:Vandalism policy regarding removal of others' comments may I have your permission to remove all the comments at User talk:Borisashton#Singular they? Thanks in advance. --Borisashton ☎ 15:11, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to say thanks too and ask the same regarding my own page. --DCLM ☎ 15:15, February 5, 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Also, I have no idea how to archive the talk page discussions. --DCLM ☎ 15:48, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Template order[[edit source]]

Oh, it makes sense. Since most of these "small, rectangle templates" usually go on top, I'd assumed it was ended up being moved to the bottom of the page during a bot run, and went sort of unnoticed, but now looking at the page history I realize it was there since day one. Will change it back. Thanks for the heads up. OncomingStorm12th (talk) 16:15, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

Just FYI, since you banned them[[edit source]]

User:Dissident Prodigy appears to be a sock puppet User:Unbanned reality talk. The former was created suspiciously quickly after the latter was banned, the names are vaguely similar, and the former’s only contributions are removing messages insulting the latter from his talk page (including that one message about mentioning logical fallacies by name being ‘reddit-tier arguing’, which, if you look at the history, the latter kept trying to remove - obviously it hit too close to home), as well as a supsicious cryptic comment about the ‘shoe [being] on the other foot’ on Shamabala’s talk page. Probably something you should look into. 82.132.220.11talk to me 13:04, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks[[edit source]]

Thank you for putting an end to User:120.20.195.104's obstruction of the Wikia. It started on the Series 12 page, which admin Shambala108 had to lock because they continued to undo facts. I replied to Shambala on the talk page to do something and they kept counter-arguing it. Then I took to editing other pages, which they then kept undoing, obstructing work. Then I had to report to Shambala108 about it, which they followed and kept trying to argue again, this time going at me with personal attacks. --DCLM ☎ 13:10, February 9, 2020 (UTC)

Furthermore they also broke the Tardis:Spoiler policy by naming spoilers outside the series page, specifically on Shambala's talk page. --DCLM ☎ 13:15, February 9, 2020 (UTC)

Hopefully, you are right. But I do have my worries that this could continue. And without accusations, I do have slight suspicions that this in itself is a continuation of past actions, as I do remember a user of the past (half a year back or so) who engaged in the same kind of actions with the same motives. --DCLM ☎ 13:31, February 9, 2020 (UTC)

The user is back at again with these removals of sourced material. Could you please take action before this escalates once again? Thank you. --DCLM ☎ 07:37, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

You agree it's unsourced? Cheers! Best to lock the page again so Danny doesn't edit-war. 120.20.172.137talk to me 07:40, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
YOU edit-war because you won't accept the facts as they are. YOU were blocked for this. Not once, but twice. Tangerineduel was easy on you with a one day block, but Shambala made your block longer for these actions. Why can't you take the hint that you are messing the page up by doing this? --DCLM ☎ 07:45, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
You admitted it's unsourced. You agree with me. Thank you! Why can't you read what you say? 120.20.172.137talk to me 07:47, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
"I think you need reading glasses. I didn't agree. I said you removed SOURCED material. Do you never get tired of going against this Wikia? You'll probably end up getting another block. --DCLM ☎ 07:49, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
How's it sourced? Explain to me where it says it's definitely a Christmas special. Also point me to the part where it says it may be completely wrong. If you can't, then I think you need reading glasses. 120.20.172.137talk to me 07:59, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
You tried this once before, remember? Without luck. Oh, and you have no respect for the spoiler policy as you again posted a spoiler where they are not allowed. I'm done with arguing this fact that you can't accept. The admins can take it from here. --DCLM ☎ 08:10, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
Because you won't read the source. Just admit it. You've never opened it. You'll never even mention the bit where it says the source could be wrong. Copy-paste it. I dare you. Bet you won't. Scared of admitting you're wrong. 120.20.172.137talk to me 08:21, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
Read it multiple times, thanks. Still not wrong. Oh, and why would I deliberately break the spoiler policy? --DCLM ☎ 08:29, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
Clearly not. Told you that you won't confirm that I'm right concerning the source. I'm right again? Wow! I'll be back here when it airs before Christmas, just to tell you that I told you so. 120.20.172.137talk to me 08:31, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
The only regrettable thing is that I can't deal with disobedient Wikia-trolls like you myself and I have to pester another poor admin to take care of it because people like you keep coming back for more. Unable to accept things as they are. --DCLM ☎ 08:39, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
Unable to accept sources as they are? Hey, that's you! Won't even accept what it says. Can I make my CV, say that I paid for the whole series since 1963 and put in online? That's a reliable source, yeah? You seem to think so! 120.20.172.137talk to me 08:50, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

Re: UCP and nomination[[edit source]]

Ah, thank you for getting back to me! Yes, that sounds fair. And I have indeed familiarised myself with the UCP on other Wikis; seemed only sensible.

(I don't think it will affect the Wiki too badly, from what I've seen; the only area where I'm worried is the Forum, depending on how we handle the situation. In fact, the option to fill in image file descriptions within the source editor of a page, rather than having to go through Special:Upload ahead of time, even seems like it might help significantly with issues of new users posting images without any licenses or categories.) --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 17:22, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

Well… as you'll doubtless have noticed, we have, now, moved to the UCP, for better or for worse. Will you be able to get back to my case? --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 13:59, September 29, 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much! (Speaking of replies — you didn't actually reply to my response to your concerns in ==Neutral==; by all means do if there are areas I didn't address/more assurances you feel I should give.) --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 05:48, September 30, 2020 (UTC)
Point of information, I'm not sure we've finished the move to UCP. There are a variety of changes that come with UCP, the change to the forums is only one of them. I'm not sure that this is relevant, as the others aren't necessarily going to change much on an admin front to my knowledge, but it is something to bear in mind. (For instance, we still have "Recent Wiki Activity" on my end, which I'm certainly not complaining about, but shouldn't be the case? So I dunno what's going on, but it doesn't seem to be a full transition to UCP. Again, not sure if this is relevant to pausing the admin nom going forward, as the biggest issue there seemed to be the forums from my limited perspective, but it should be pointed out.) Najawin ☎ 09:10, September 30, 2020 (UTC)
Oh, absolutely! Had you had more to ask I would definitely have posted the answers on the nomination page.
As regards Najawin's message above, I mean, we had the banner announcing we had moved. It may be we are keeping WikiActivity after all as a special favour to one of the Original 100 Wikis? Who knows. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 14:20, September 30, 2020 (UTC)

Admin categories[[edit source]]

Since you moved yourself into a new category on Tardis:Administrators, I'm wondering if some of the admins listed in the "Frequently active admins" category should also be moved (or whether it's incumbent on them to move themselves). I know when I was newer a few months ago the category not quite lining up confused me. Najawin ☎ 21:18, October 2, 2020 (UTC)

Community Connect[[edit source]]

Hey there! Not sure we've spoken much, but I'm Chris - a Wiki Representative at Fandom. Have you heard of an event called Community Connect? It's a Fandom event where news is often revealed about the platform and you get to chat to other admins. It's virtual this year over Zoom or similar but no mic or camera needed. It's 7th + 8th August at 8-12 PT. Is this something you would be interested in attending? I can't guarantee an invite, but I can look into getting one sent to the email associated with your Fandom account --Spongebob456 talk <staff/>

Fandom projects[[edit source]]

Hi! Got a couple of things:

As this wiki used to use Special:Forum, Fandom wants to make sure that old forum links and references aren't cluttering up maintenance special pages (unusedfiles, needed pages etc). Would you mind checking and letting me know asap as to whether that's an issue for this wiki? Just looking for dead links to forums in special pages, or links to images used in forums but are now dead, stuff like that. No need to attempt to cleanup yourself, I just need to know if they exist.

Secondly, did you receive an email sent last week I believe inviting you to The Downstream on September 10th? The email is titled "[The Downstream] Ask Fandom Anything, Social Media Tips, and Data Insights". I just want to confirm you received the email as we know Fandom outreach emails often land in spam.

If you could let me know about both of those things, that would be fantastic. Thanks! --Spongebob456 talk <staff/> 09:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Temporary forums[[edit source]]

Hey! Hope all is well in your neck of the woods. Since you've been away, a new discussion's been going on, with our continuing need for forums to get things done again. As we've been in a transition period for a while, and user:CzechOut's still busy preparing the next stage of evolution, some users have proposed we make space for these necessary conversations.

Would be good to get another eye on this. Do you think you could have a look? It's over at Tardis talk:Temporary forums.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 07:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Discussions AbuseFilter[[edit source]]

Hey! A new feature is available on Discussions - Discussions AbuseFilter (DAF). This is designed to be a tool to help moderation on Discussions, if certain behaviours are being disruptive and making manual moderation difficult:

Not compulsory for anyone to use it etc, just letting you know it's here. As a note about forums, I have asked Czech about it and I know he is aware it's still needed. If I can help with anything though, please give me a shout on here or Discord! --Spongebob456 talk <staff/> 20:36, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Joledex?[[edit source]]

Im not really sure because it has been a while back. Maybe because I wasn't sure about the spelling of the name 08:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Admin nomination[[edit source]]

Hi Tangerineduel, just wanted to ping you to let you know that the admin nomination for User:Bongolium500 at Tardis:User rights nominations has passed the one week threshold and is ready for conclusion. Hope you've been well! – n8 (☎) 14:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey — cheers on closing Bongolium's nomination, but just letting you know that his actual user rights don't appear to have been changed yet? Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 13:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Ah, makes sense! Thanks. (This is just why we need Bongolium; I'm no good at the coding stuff…) Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 13:43, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Re:Admin - Welcome![[edit source]]

Thanks for the welcome! Don't worry about the wait: everyone has their busy moments. I look forward to getting started with some of my new responsibilities! Bongo50 ☎ 17:20, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Temporary Forums Are Live![[edit source]]

Hello!

Just wanted to notify you that, User:CzechOut's final deadline of "by New Year's Day" having passed, and following in-depth discussion between myself and fellow admins User:SOTO, User:OncomingStorm12th and User:Bongolium500, we have decided to activate Tardis:Temporary forums, come what may. A sitenotice has been set to inform the community of this development, and I am taking it upon myself to personally update our Administrators on the situation, as well as yourself.

As the name implies, we hope the Temporary Forums will remain — well — temporary. Any work on reactivating proper DPL Forums will still be welcome and appreciated; this system is a further fine-tuning of the setup Bongolium500 had proposed in December 2021, which it means is designed from the ground up to be easy to transfer into the actual DPL Forums if we should get those back in the near future after all.

But it has been multiple years since the Wiki has had a venue for changing policy and forming community consensus on important matters. Bongolium500 and SOTO put forward the first draft of the Temporary Forums a full year ago — and were convinced to retract it by a promise that the real Forums would come ‘very soon’; and here we are. I don't think anyone's at fault; I do think everyone has the Wiki's best interests at heart. But the time has come to realise that the overly-optimistic strategy of endlessly putting off an imperfect temporary solution in pursuit of a perfect one "soon" has failed, resoundingly. It is time for a different approach. The Tardis community are owed a different approach. If you have active DPL Forums to give us, we will take them gladly. But we cannot sacrifice one more promising alternative to a nebulous future possibility which has already proven more difficult to achieve that you'd expected several times over. It is our hope that you can understand respect our decision in this matter.

We four elementals behind the Temporary Forums would like to reassure the rest of the admin team that this necessary step is not intended to create more work for them unbidden. Four are, if it comes to that, plenty enough to keep the peace a Forum with no more than six threads running at a time; we would be thrilled to see the rest of the team embracing the Temporary Forums, but please don't feel any obligation to do so.

Happy New Year, happy editing — and happy contribution to the New Forums!

Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 11:03, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Bot[[edit source]]

Hi, I was wondering if you knew what the process was for an admin to obtain a bot? T:HOW BOT seems geared towards non-admins. I have experience with programming and would like to use a bot to automate certain tasks. Bongo50 ☎ 19:51, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm familiar with the technical process of bot creation. However, all a bot really is is a second account with the bot user group which can only be granted by a bureaucrat so I was wondering what the procedure to obtain this is, if there is a procedure, or if I should just create the account and point it your way for you to add the admin and ot user groups. Bongo50 ☎ 16:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. I've created User:Botgo50. If you could assign it the "administrator" and "bot" user groups, that would be great. This is less important to me, but, while you're at it, would you be able to assign my main account "administrator (Semantic MediaWiki)"? I think I'm the only person using SMW at the moment and this group would be useful. Bongo50 ☎ 15:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Heads up about the thanks extension[[edit source]]

Hi. I just wanted to give you a heads up that Tardis is testing the "thanks" extension which Fandom will be rolling out to all wikis soon. This extension allows editors to thank other editors for their edits. The editor being thanked will then recieve a notification. Therefore, while you're actively performing edits, you may receieve a few more notifications than normal. If you notice any bugs, pass them onto User:Spongebob456. Bongo50 ☎ 19:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Re: Tardis Data Core change to Tardis Wiki[[edit source]]

Did we actually decide to officially change the name? If so, I can run through the Tardis namespace with my bot and get things updated. Bongo50 ☎ 14:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

For what it's worth it's not my understanding that "Tardis Data Core" is obsolete. We were, and remain, "the Tardis Data Core Wiki" in full; our old logo abridged this to Tardis Data Core, the new one abridges it to Tardis Wiki. That's my read. But if mileages on this vary too heavily (it seems concerning that out of us three no one is actually sure), we may need a thread to try and gauge what the community actually wants before we do anything drastic either way. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 15:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
I actually thought our full name was "Tardis Data Core, the Doctor Who Wiki". Bongo50 ☎ 16:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
I agree that a forum thread is a good idea. Does anyone particuarly want to start it? If not, I'm happy to do so within a few days. Bongo50 ☎ 18:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Ah, excellent! Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 10:45, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Great! Bongo50 ☎ 15:48, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Can you give admin to my bot?[[edit source]]

Hi, I've been running User:Botgo50 relatively succesfully for a while now but it'd be really helpful if it could be given admin, mostly so that it can edit protected pages. Would you be able to do that next time you're arround? Thanks. Bongo50 ☎ 19:02, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Re: Bot admin request[[edit source]]

Thank you very much! Bongo50 ☎ 15:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Admin+[[edit source]]

Hey there! I’m reaching out to introduce the Admin+ program (if you haven’t heard about it already!) & let you know I’m here if you have any questions about it. Take a look at the details here & feel free to send over any questions you have. pikushi ✧.* <staff /> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Request for help[[edit source]]

Hi! I was wondering if I could get you to look into this issue. For various reasons (which I would be glad to tell you if you wish), I don't feel I am the right person to address this, and I definitely don't think any of the newer admins could help. I feel like this situation is starting to remind me of something from long ago. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 01:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

re:Recent edits[[edit source]]

I think I get what you're saying, but I wanted to ask for some clarification. I was always told it is best to leave a reason behind reversions in the edit summaries, but I think your saying to only do so for a limited number of times before taking things to a talk page? BananaClownMan ☎ 11:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Since you're on[[edit source]]

Can you block 119.111.220.93‎? It's some random user that will do a ton of vandalism, get blocked, and then come back under a new IP a few weeks later. Najawin ☎ 07:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

RE: Wild Blue Yonder Numbers[[edit source]]

Hi there! Hope you are well. Per your response on my talk page, I wanted to check this. So does that mean it is best I leave those pages alone then and leave you and the order admins to sort out the whole merging thing? Looking forward to your reply. Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 11:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Re. Financial crisis of 2007[[edit source]]

While I'm not an expert on the topic, it seems to me that the credit crunch was one of the events that followed the financial crisis of 2007; the 2008 credit crunch wasn't the "main" incident. Although "credit crunch of 2008" is stated in dialogue while "financial crisis of 2007" isn't (to the best of my knowledge) it seems misleading to name the page "credit crunch of 2008".

It'd be like if D-Day was named in the DWU but World War II wasn't; it'd be incorrect to name the larger conflict "D-Day", even though in this hypothetical situation that name isn't conjectural while the name of the larger conflict would be.

But then, there easily could be a story that uses the name "financial crisis of 2007" somewhere, which maychave not been documented on the Wiki yet.

13:53, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

RE: Prop delete query[[edit source]]

Hey! Sorry I missed your message; I still haven't adapted to talk page notifications being moved to the bell. It's been great seeing you around more recently, by the way.

At time of writing, the only of my user subpages not related to the Forum Archive is the Five Doctors home media sandbox page, from a project it was ultimately decided in the forums not to proceed with anymore. (Shambala actually added that tag, not me, but I've been holding onto it in case there happens to be a revival in the New Forums.)

The Forum Archive has been on pause for a while due to a number of personal circumstances, and now it's a little stuck until I have access to a personal computer again, unfortunately. Those message-level pages (each message needs its own subpage due to the method of archiving, which meant organising large masses of files by adapting a spreadsheet made from an unrelated output) tagged were found to be spam posts, so the next step will be properly removing them from the final archive subpages before launch.

I should be able to complete those pre-launch steps from a library computer, come to think of it, so I hope to have time for that soon. I do appreciate your reminder!
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 05:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Deletions[[edit source]]

Two pages I added and edited were deleted. Kiviniss Ak And Rom Kor-Marisi Were two character editions direct from author Simon Guerrier As listed in the credits. Did I add them incorrectly? Thank you – The preceding unsigned comment was added by BrentSmith66 (talk • contribs) .

Welcome[[edit source]]

Well it's certainly great to have you! I'm glad you made it. I do seem to remember rumblings way back when in my own early days.

I can't imagine it would be fun sticking around with most of our support forked over here. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't sad to leave it behind, as exciting as all these new opportunities are to build the wiki the way we want it!

I'm going to make a concerted effort soon to import missed changes from the 5 or so days we missed during final preparations, by the way. If there's anything in particular you want me to bring over from before you got here, so you don't feel you have to re-do edits, do let me know!

(Incidentally, I've put in a request over at Wikimedia for them to add us to their inter-wikis. Might take a while before that's approved, but I thought it might be of interest, since that seems to be closer to your neck of the woods than mine.)

EDIT: Importing means preserving the edit history, which is generally preferable, but there's also nothing wrong with bringing things back up to date yourself. Especially given they're our own edits.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 05:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, one other thing. As bureaucrats, on the independent wiki we now have access to Special:RenameUser. It really does what it says on the tin. Users might approach you with user rename requests now.
So long as there's nothing against the name in Tardis:Username policy, and the username doesn't already have any registered edits on Tardis, I see no reason not to fulfil them. I have been recommending that users place their old name somewhere visible on their user pages, though, for the avoidance of confusion.
(I've only done one so far. It never once occurred to me before this would be something I'd be doing.)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 05:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Renaming users[[edit source]]

That is a really good point regarding the potential for abuse. I had only really considered allowing requests from long-term trusted users.
We'll need something in place to prevent user rename requests from being fulfilled that would too closely resemble other well-known users, for one thing... which can be hard to scale when the once-active user they might be confused for is long-gone. (Maybe checking against Special:ListUsers, ordered by edit count, up to a certain point, should be procedure, in case.)
We'll definitely need to lay out clearer policy. Watching out for signs of sockpuppet abuse is another, definitely. I think the first thing I'd lay out is a minimum threshold of time or number of edits with us in order to make the request. Maybe it should be on a public page, like a smaller-scale Tardis:User rights nominations.
A user requesting a name change would have to fill out a template where they confirm they meet the requirements. Maybe we'd allow very small scale changes to the name exactly once even soon after account creation, in the case of typos and such, but then require that they stick with us first.
The one thing I'd like to avoid is blindly approving any request from a user we don't really know. I think we can make it work, though!
(P.S. I brought in Tardis:User talk pages.)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 06:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
It's looking good so far! Do I have your permission to make small changes while it's still in your sandbox?
It might also be good to quickly say that Tardis bureaucrats reserve the right to adjust the minimum number of edits (agreed, amount of time would be a bad idea) as new request data comes in. Please continue editing with us if you haven't met the mark yet! (Making sure to keep to good-faith edits. We probably need to introduce a variant on the GOR rules for hitting edit requirements.)
Also, if we are formally suggesting that new-ish users make new accounts (instead of granting one minor rename request in the first week, which does count in using up their 12 months), we'll have to make clear that they need to declare their old account per T:SOCK, unless they didn't make any edits with us.
Agreed on requirement to declare your old account for 6 months minimum. There should also be something, perhaps a separate page like Help:My rename request was rejected, which makes clear that repeated attempts to log for already-rejected names (or still too similar to them, or during a period when you have no "token") will result in a warning and then a temporarybban. If you've already been rejected, and you're not sure, ask a bureaucrat clarifying questions before submitting a request.
Bongo can probably make us a form with the required inputs, so it automatically creates a new section with syntax for user stats, once we get {{#editcount:USER}} up and running (and a link to a DPL page I can work on building for help finding similar usernames). But it might be worth manually checking.
Officially halting all user rename requests until we have this all set up and worked out.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 06:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
(I do also wonder if we should decide what to do in cases where new users have given themselves policy-breaking names like "Tardis admin" or some hate speech. Should we, by course, rename the user to "Permablock--638528", ie. some random string of 6 digits (wouldn't want anyone to see it as a leaderboard, in sequence), in order to remove that vandalism/bothersome claim, after blocking?)
(It seems to me that would be a good idea.)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 06:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I've gone ahead and made a few relatively minor changes to Tardis:User rename policy, and I've streamlined the request page to make things easier. I also added in the total number of requests a user has made in the section heading (needs to be manually changed from #1 for further requests).

I'm pretty happy with both pages, personally. I've also updated Help:Changing your username now.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 08:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Checkuser checks and balances[[edit source]]

On a separate but related note, we also have the ability to grant users (read: ourselves) the checkuser role, which is even more serious.
Bongo suggested — and I agree — that for complete transparency, only when it's absolutely necessary to check for suspected socks, we will temporarily assign that role, perform the check, and then remove it again. Logs of any checkuser scan are also provided to the public, including an admin summary.
I strongly suggest we hold off on this for as long as possible, as we get settled in and update our policies. We need to think deeply about oversight and transparency, now that local policy really does prevail.
If you'd find it helpful, I can also invite you to a space where such things can be discussed with our sysadmins, who laid out our Privacy policy and General disclaimer.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 06:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

RE: Thanks[[edit source]]

You're very welcome. Lovely to have you! Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️

Bumbling around the new place[[edit source]]

Hello! A bit late, but I’m finding my way around the new digs. I was “surprised-but-not-surprised” when I learned the news of the migration; I certainly have seen enough headaches from arbitrary Fandom diktats to understand the reasons for the decision.

Although I was an infrequent editor and an even more infrequent admin on the old site, it would be nice to retain the admin bit. (Like the Doctor’s “parts” that Cassandra refers to in “New Earth”, it’s nice to have them even if they are “barely used.”)

Please let me know if there is anything I should be aware of about in the change beyond what’s in the general announcements. Thanks! —Josiah Rowe ☎ 19:35, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Ooh, that was quick! Looks like SOTO took care of it without me even asking! Now, that’s service! Never mind me, then. —Josiah Rowe ☎ 19:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

"Talking dog"[[edit source]]

Hey, I really do appreciate your going through the proposed mergers lately, but Talk:Talking dog was an ongoing discussion; it wasn't settled that it should be merged. Do please check these things! As you know, it's very tricky to undo a merge that was done in error. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 11:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Unnecessary category redirects[[edit source]]

Hi Tangerine, would you be able to delete Category:4DA Series 9 audio story images and Category:The Fourth Doctor Adventures Series 9 audio anthology images, as they are both unused and unnecessary; only existing because of mistakes whilst moving categories. The source code seems to be locked for them both though, so I can't put a delete tag there myself.

Ta, SID'gingerfool'RAT - ☎🔎 |📂|📝 23:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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