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Hi! If you need to leave a message here on my talk page, please follow a couple of guidelines:
== Something you might want to look into ==
* Please don't forget to [[Tardis:Signature Policy|sign your posts]]. I won't answer any post that doesn't have a signature.
* Also, if you are starting a new topic, please add a new heading.


Thanks!
Hello, User:Shambala108.


==Images==
Sorry to disturb you with this, but I felt you needed to be informed of this edit [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Star_Beast_(TV_story)?diff=3662903&oldid=3662898 here], where, even after I informed them on what you once told me about how featuring is to only include recurring characters to prevent overcrowding, [[User:Epsilon the Eternal]] still readded a single episode character to the section, essentially because  they were pivotal to the plot, and then justified it by saying that an admin's word is not policy and can be ignored (at least by my reading of their edit summery). And why the character in question, [[Rose Noble]], had showed up in a short story, they have ignored my explanation that the short story doesn't make her a recurring character due to it's nature as a prelude to the episode and my request for a few weeks of patience to see if she returns.
Please don't just delete an image because the page doesn't have a licence. You should ask the user who uploaded it where they got it and if an appropriate licence template can be assigned, then assign it. If the file breaks the rules of copyright, then delete it. I have re-uploaded my image with what I think is the appropriate copyright license, if you do not agree, I got the image from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Butterworth.  


I would like to point out that if any of the information that have told you is inaccurate, like if you cannot add a license, then ask the user to reupload it with the correct license. Rufus 00:44, August 10, 2014 (UTC) [[User:120d]]
I've actually been meaning to message you about them and their decorum for some time, but this blatant disregard towards your words has pushed me into action now. For the past few months, their edit summaries have included [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Fifteenth_Doctor?diff=prev&oldid=3660630 treating arguments against their edits as attacks on the merit of their opinion], [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Theory:Timeline_-_Fourteenth_Doctor?diff=prev&oldid=3659912 reverted edits based on actions not yet taken], [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Destination:_Skaro_(TV_story)?diff=prev&oldid=3659364 put "More to Added" on fully released articles instead of contributing themselves], [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Destination:_Skaro_(TV_story)?diff=prev&oldid=3656646 indulge in rude wording] [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Destination:_Skaro_(TV_story)?diff=prev&oldid=3656310 on multiple occasions] ([https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Solitract?diff=prev&oldid=3641225 even using the name of the Lord in vain]), and engaged in unneeded hostilities [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Fourteenth_Doctor on talk pages].


==Re:Summing Up==
I was hoping to ask if you could have a word with them, if it's not to much trouble, to inform them on proper Wiki etiquette towards other editors, and to avoid getting to personal in their edit summaries, and to remind them of why the featuring section on story pages is just for recurring characters.
1. A title name is not a spoiler. It is as much a spoiler as saying the Doctor will be in Series 8.


1a. You have broken the rules, not of this wiki, but of writing etiquette. You DO NOT edit a person message that is not your own. You wouldn't change the words in a book, so you shouldn't do it here.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,  
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


1b. You are taking these rules way to far. I am glad that you have not blocked me, but there is no reason to remove someone else's words because they break the rules.
== Edit war ==


2. Wow, just wow. That is completely unfair and unreasonable. You cannot say "We won't allow your image because it is not in the form ''we'' want it." that is just not okay.
Hi, Shambala. There's the potential for an edit war at [[Beep the Meep]]. Wondering if you could help resolve it. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


4 and 5. I am realizing as I type this that all of these things are related. When did you become the ruler of this wiki and the one who can just tell people what to do? You may have more abilities than me, but it doesn't mean you have more power. I have noticed that you are being mean in a somewhat polite way, but it is still being mean.
== Re:Request for help ==


6. I always liked message walls better. They are so much easier than talk pages.
I've looked through your cited page above, and looked over the linked examples.


Rufus 01:13, August 12, 2014 (UTC) [[User:120d]] [[User talk:120d]]
I'm also aware of both editors' edits throughout the past few years, although acknowledge I've not been as active as I had been in the past.


==Jenny Edit==
I generally come at this from the perspective of 'is there a policy I can point to for a reason for this edit'. Epsilon does cite many of their edits regarding a policy. However the edit summary war is something that cannot continue, it's a nightmare to cite any discussion and it's not what the summaries are for regardless.


Concerning the Jenny edit, the text I used is called "free-floating sub-division." The problem is that the TOC (which is right-aligned) ends up pushing the image down to a lower section rather than appearing under the Messaline sub-heading. This would not be a universal appearance as wikis using floating text, so that the end appearance is going to differ depending on monitor resolution. So I'm guessing on some resolutions the image isn't stacked (as more lines of text end up appearing on lower resolutions, thus there's less chance of images stacking up as more text goes downwards, and as such, images have less chance of "stacking"), but on higher ones, it is. The code allows the image to come up against the TOC rather than being pushed down by it, but still appear as normal on other settings. I'm guessing that by the revert comments there was no visual difference, whereas on higher resolutions, the image is no longer appearing below the "After Messaline" section.
I'm unsure on a few of the cited issues by Banana, but can see how they may find some things vexatious.  


If it sounds complicated...yeah, it is, and it gave me a headache for wiki editing until I found the code to keep images in place rather than being pushed down by templates. I've reverted the edit and if the page visually appears the same, it means the code's done its job. If it's reverted again, I won't turn it into an edit war. But basically this is a heads up for the issue. I've had to apply the code elsewhere where it's an issue so that wiki appearances are as uniform as possible regardless of the type of monitor they're viewed on.
I think all users can have their issues, and while Epsilon has had a few citations against them in the past, there have been extraneous circumstances around those in some regards.  


Hope that helps. :)--[[User:Hawki|Hawki]] [[User talk:Hawki|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:30, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
We've not had a proper forum to engage new policies for in some time, and that's where rulings should come into play. Citing a reason for an edit especially something which might result in an edit war over inclusion of a character (or not) should be backed up by a talk page decision, forum or policy. Citing the word of an admin while it might seem like the 'voice of the flying spaghetti monster' in terms of resolving or justifying an edit, however it is better to be citing a policy or discussion. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 01:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


== Spam in forums ==
== [[AudioGO]] ==


When I removed the threads, there was a checkbox that said "Notify admins". In future, I'll leave an admin a message on their talk page as well. '''[[User:PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#002B7F">P&amp;P</span>]] [[User_talk:PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#FCD116;font-size:0.6em">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#CE1126;font-size:0.6em">contribs</span>]]''' 15:45, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Shambala. This page keeps being vandalised. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:54, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


:Hey, the spammers are back at [[Thread:159670#159802]], and the new user spamming is [[User:Jessica.alvord.92]]. They've previously spammed on the Disney wiki. '''[[User:PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#002B7F">P&amp;P</span>]] [[User_talk:PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#FCD116;font-size:0.6em">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#CE1126;font-size:0.6em">contribs</span>]]''' 15:24, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
== My "Who vs elsewhere" polls ==


More forum spam at [[Thread:160569]] from [[Special:Contributions/108.178.32.130|108.178.32.130]]. '''[[User:PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#002B7F">P&amp;P</span>]] [[User_talk:PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#FCD116;font-size:0.6em">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#CE1126;font-size:0.6em">contribs</span>]]''' 14:00, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
Hello,


== Categories ==
Would the admins have any objections if I did some further entries to my "Who vs [insert]" polls? I know the cards are heavily stacked, but still...the Lord loves a tryer, eh?
The reason [[Jane Slavin]] and [[Lizzie Hopley]] are in the DW voice actors category in addition to the BFDW voice actors category is because they've voiced characters in productions that were NOT made by Big Finish. The same is true for Tom Baker, Elisabeth Sladen, Nicholas Courtney, Colin Baker, Nicola Bryant, David Tennant and Nicholas Briggs amongst others. So by your logic, we'd have to remove them from the DW voice actors category as well simply because they're also in the BFDW voice actors category. I frankly don't see what bot tasks have to do with it. [[User:Slughorn42|Slughorn42]] [[User talk:Slughorn42|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:29, August 17, 2014 (UTC)


:All right, fine. While I don't particularly understand the urgency of why the problem needs to be fixed ''now'', I'll go ahead and do what I can to help out. There's no point in dragging this out any longer. [[User:Slughorn42|Slughorn42]] [[User talk:Slughorn42|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:49, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
[[User:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba]] [[User talk:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


::I think the only ones we should leave alone are "Actors who portrayed the Doctor" and "Actors who voiced for the Doctor". Some have done both and some have only done one or the other. [[User:Slughorn42|Slughorn42]] [[User talk:Slughorn42|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:31, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
== Merry Christmas And Happy New Year ==


== Archiving ==
Have a good rest of 2023 and a great 2024 and onward [[User:Sum41Champ]]
Just archived my own talk page without issue, but I don't doubt you had problems.  The tool has always been slightly finicky.  The solution is pretty simple. If the archive "misfires", simply undo the edit to the talk page and try again. Almost always solves the problem. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 21:33: Thu 21 Aug 2014</span>


==Image deletion/licensing==
== RE: Sockpuppet ==
I'd like to second what [[User:120d]] said earlier about deleting images for lack of a license. It'd be much more helpful to assume positive intent by the uploader, that it was a simple oversight, and ask the user to add a license rather than force them to re-upload the image.


If you feel that any image without a license truly must be deleted immediately, rather than updated as soon as possible, then some coding needs to be changed so that uploading can't proceed without a license.
Hey! Hope all is going well. I don't have [[Help:CheckUser|CheckUser]] access myself, since I'm not Fandom staff, but I'll pass it along, since it seems like we have reasonable suspicion!


Having policies is one thing, but enforcing policy over encouraging a spirit of cooperation is making this wiki unpleasant to contribute to. [[User:Monkey with a Gun|Monkey with a Gun]] [[User talk:Monkey with a Gun|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:46, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Happy holidays.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 18:06, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


: I just wanted to mention that [[User:Spongebob456]] is probably the easiest Fandom staff member to contact for things like this as he's our wiki rep. He's who I've gone to for a few similar requests in the past (which I've done through his Discord but you could probably do through his talk page). [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


I was unaware that the deletion was automatic. I apologize. However, I would note that on the image upload pop-up, the license selection dropdown is hidden by default, and requires that the use click on "More options" to add it. Even if preventing upload without a license isn't possible, making the license dropdown not hidden would be helpful for the more absentminded among us. [[User:Monkey with a Gun|Monkey with a Gun]] [[User talk:Monkey with a Gun|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:18, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
:: And that's exactly who I went to, in fact! But no problem at all.


== New TARDIS Data Core page: Imperial ==
:: Spongebob456 confirmed via Discord that all the accounts you linked are, in fact, related. I'm giving indefinite blocks to the new accounts, and I'll leave it to you to decide how long to extend their sentence on whichever is their main account. Cheers{{User:SOTO/sig}} 18:55, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


Hi Shambola108,
== Spacing with categories ==


Just thought I'd drop you a line to let you know that I've created the page [[Imperial]] for TARDIS Data Core.
What's the purpose of the space? I See 0 effect that has on the page, Happy New Year. [[User:Sum41Champ]]


I'd be grateful if you and the other administators could take a look when you get a spare moment and make any changes you consider necessary.
== Trying to locate a missing thread ==
Hell there. Hope all is well. I was wondering if you could help me with a query concerning a missing thread I am having trouble locating that is listed on several incarnations of the Doctor's articles. The thread I am referring to is mentioned as follows in the template on the articles's lede section:


Many thanks. [[User:Freddie R. Aldous|Freddie R. Aldous]] [[User talk:Freddie R. Aldous|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:49, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
''As detailed at [[Thread:264489]], character pages should only have AT MOST 2-3 sentences per story, not whole paragraphs of plot detail. This page needs a major cleanup in that area.''


== Stop bullying people ==
As you can see though, this link to said thread is red, hence doesn't take me anywhere when I click it.


Hi! Please stop comparing/contrasting [[Missy (Deep Breath)]] to Clara's mother. It's not relevant at this point, and is either speculation, which is not allowed on the wiki, or a spoiler, which is expressly forbidden by [[Tardis:Spoiler policy]]. Thanks. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:53, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
Per some users (anonymous editors) removing it from the page, I began to do some digging as to the thread itself, in preparation for setting myself on the task of shortening down the Doctor articles myself in time, having already began work doing so with the CS links per my conversation with [[User:Scrooge MacDuck]]. In doing so, I discovered you are the one who added said template onto the Doctor articles back in 2020 (see the following link as an example: https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Twelfth_Doctor?diff=prev&oldid=3015495 )


I never compared the person to Clara's mother.  In the episode, it kept referring to Clara as The Doctor's boyfriend.  At the end Missy said she was The Doctor's boyfriend.  It is important to note that Clara has brown eyes and Missy has blue. It's an important clarification.  The first time you removed it saying "speculation" and so I had to remove why it was relevant and now you just remove it for "irrelevant".  You just like destroying people's hard work on wikis--wikis are full of trolls like you who sit around doing nothing but harassing innocent people. You never do anything to help, you just hurt innocent people!  Why don't you stop bullying people? [[User:OrmiaOchracea|OrmiaOchracea]] [[User talk:OrmiaOchracea|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:39, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
Therefore, are you able to provide me information as to the thread itself or link me to the archive where it is stored? I don't want to trouble myself shortening all the articles if this thread has been superceded or reverted, hence does not actually have to be acted upon now. In which case, I could take to removing the templates from the Doctor's articles instead.


==Sorry==
Looking forward to your reply. [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 17:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Sorry about that I haven't been on this Wiki for a few years so I'm not used to who the admins are or the New polices. But I did think you were a vandal user so I was just saying to the user to report the "bullying" to an admin that's why I left the comment on the missy talk page. I wasn't trying to attack anyone. Many Thanks. [[User:Lewody1|Lewody1]] [[User talk:Lewody1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:47, August 29, 2014 (UTC) :)


==Into the Dalek==
:On this subject Shambala, it ''does'' still apply, it's just sorta been rolled into the broader reforms discussed in [[Forum:Temporary forums/Subpages 2.0]], as Bongo alluded to on Snivy's talk. The work here has really been touch and go, but it's very much live policy, just a real headache to implement. And archived forum threads from the 2012-2020 forums are at [[User:SOTO/Forum Archive]]. (Well, okay, it's a bit more complicated than that, because there are actually some forum archives that can only be accessed through URLs and not that index. But it's pretty obvious where to look if you pay attention to the URLs.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:30, 4 January 2024 (UTC)


Hello there! I was just wondering about this page here, as I am not entirely sure what to do myself: [[Into The Dalek (TV Story)]]. It seems it is a redirect page, with no redirection. I believe that this page should be considered for deletion, as there is the genuine article here: [[Into the Dalek (TV story)]]. Thank you.
Yes, I know what you mean about the loading times. My experience on mobile viewing is atrocious for the long character articles and editing on mobile is near-impossible for me on them because it seems to crash or be so long to respond to the changes, even in source editor. Hence, I near-exclusively edit on desktop these days. I completely understand why editors appear apathetic to the change though; perhaps its the perks of superior internet speed or something, but these long articles do make editing a chore sometimes, necessitating having to edit solely in sections rather than whole page edits.  


{{User:Layton4/sig}} 20:51, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
From what [[User:Bongolium500]] sent me, it appears there's still the intention for the articles to be trimmed down as the template requests, it just seems no one - or very few editors - are actually bothering to do it, hence the templates remaining after 3 and a bit years of its request being placed. Same could be said for the CS link conversion since a mix of editors still use variants of the old format. If the task to do it is still needed though, and hence isn't going to be a waste of my time, I can begin implementing the change.


==Danny Pink & Samuel Anderson==
Thank you once more for responding to me message! [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 11:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, is there a reason why we registered users can't create these pages? Since the pages relate to character/actor who has appeared in a released episode. '''[[User:AdricLovesNyssa|Adric♥Nyssa]]'''∩''[[User_talk:AdricLovesNyssa|Talk?]]'' 15:51, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks forgot that SOTO locked series 8 pages '''[[User:AdricLovesNyssa|Adric♥Nyssa]]'''∩''[[User_talk:AdricLovesNyssa|Talk?]]'' 16:11, August 31, 2014 (UTC)


Hello. I'm sorry for my recent mistakes in editing categories. I'm new to this wiki (although I've contributed a bit to others) and I was unfamiliar with the details system. I had expected to make some mistakes in my edits, but also expected to receive notifications for any activity on my talk page, which is why I seem to have missed other users notifying me of my errors. One or two of my mistakes were a result of copying seemingly incorrect edits from other users (see [[Graxnix]] and the use of the 'combatants in the Time War' category). Anyway, I'll revise my use of the  category system and hold back on any similar edits until I'm more used to it. I'll also post apologies for my buffoonery on the talk pages of the other users whose notifications I managed to miss. In the meantime, I'd really appreciate a lift of the ban on the proviso that I refrain from any more mistaken edits of the categories. Thanks very much, and sorry for the trouble. [[User:TheAnonJade]]
== Follow Up ==


I've read through the page. That clears it up and I'll definitely do my best to tread more carefully in the future (as well as regularly checking my talk page in case I mess up again). Thanks very much for understanding and for replying so quickly; I appreciate it. I'll keep doing my best to contribute and I hope I don't tread on too many toes. [[User:TheAnonJade]]
I Sent you a message on the purpose of spacing categories and you didn't get back. You have to give a solid reason as to how that affect a page for me to know the issue. [[User:Sum41Champ]]


== Suitors, Inc. ==
== Re: Edits ==
As I recall the whole [[T:ROMANA]] cleanup effort, I chose to use the Doctor Who Reference Guide to "break ties" as it were. The "tie" in this case came down to a few factors:


# I hadn't read the story, nor had I the foreseeable ''opportunity'' to read it. This necessarily meant I was reliant on other sources, which is not a place I generally like to be in, when it comes to writing articles here. But I found no source which firmly declared a Romana, at the time.  Wikipedia's article on the anthology have since firmly declared Romana II, but without giving rationale for it.  Obviously, if you have the story and can find something in it that firmly gives you R2, that trumps everything.
Thank you so much! I appreciate the kind words. I'm always happy to fix and clean up articles whenever I see any that need it, and I'm glad to be part of such a welcoming wiki community. [[User:BlueSupergiant|BlueSupergiant]] [[User talk:BlueSupergiant|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
# Around the time of my edit, the page had borne a timeline section, which had pegged this as being after ''[[Victims]]'' and before ''[[The Lying Old Witch in the Wardrobe]]''.  Obviously, that's a nonsense placement.  Since ''Witch'' is Romana's regeneration story, anything before ''Witch'' is R1, while anything after ''Victims'' must be R2.  With that information on the page obviously wrong, it seemed to me that we didn't have a good read on the story.
 
So I was left with DWRG's assessment, and they place it after ''[[The Armageddon Factor (TV story)|The Armageddon Factor]]'', but before another post-Key to Time Short Trips story, ''[[Life from Lifelessness (short story)|Life from Lifelessness]]''. That later short story definitely does have R1.
 
As is typical for them, DWRG's placement is marked as "arbitrary", and that's precisely why we tend not to use them.  However, DWRG had to know that it wasn't completely arbitrary in this case, as they were flipping a coin between two incarnations of a character. So they must have based it on something.  My guess is that the DWRG's choice is based upon the attitude Romana displays in the story, which is apparently more eye-rolling-at-the-Doctor's-stupidity (like Mary Tamm) than the rather more follow-Tom's-lead version of Romana that Lalla Ward served up in her first several adventures.
 
I can say for certain, however, that I'm not comfortable with making a decision about ''Suitors'' based upon ''Verdigris'', unless we can find a statement by Paul Magrs that actually ties the two together. I would much rather go on the characterisation of Romana as given in ''Suitors'' — or any other tidbits in the story — than to try to infer something from a throwaway line in ''Verdigris''.
 
See, even though both ''[[Verdigris (novel)|Verdigris]]'' and ''[[Suitors, Inc. (short story)|Suitors, Inc.]]'' were written by [[Paul Magrs]], it does seem to give the author a tremendous amount of credit to have planted a tiny, throwaway line in a 2000 novel for one publisher that paid off only in a 2005 short story for another. Indeed, I think that bit in the continuity section of ''Suitors, Inc.'' needs a strong qualification. It needs to be made very clear in our article that, while the line is an interesting coincidence, ''Verdigris'' very much predates ''Suitors''.  Influence flowing in that direction, though possible, is unlikely enough that it would require a statement by the author for us to advance as true. 
 
But again, the key thing is to just read the story, so you're likely to be the one to make the final determination on this.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 14:05: Tue 02 Sep 2014</span>
:If it helps, there's definitely a post-Key period for R1.  ''[[The Stealers from Saiph]]'', for instance, is definitely set between ''Armageddon'' and ''Destiny''. And there's ''zero'' indication at the top of ''Destiny'' that they've ''just'' finished the KTT thing. Indeed, the Doctor has had time to completely tear apart K9's guts, and Romana is regenerating for some unknown reason.  When we last left them in ''Armageddon'', both his companions were in fine health. Also, ''Armageddon'' ends with the Doctor explaining that he's fit the TARDIS with a randomiser, and then putting the craft in flight.  In ''Destiny'', Romana asks where they're going and he has to explain again about the randomiser.  Now, obviously, this is for the benefit of the audience, who've had the summer break between the two stories.  But it also seems a silly thing for her to ask if ''Armageddon'' ''immediately'' precedes ''Destiny''. So clearly ''something'' happened in the interim, which is why BF could positively assert ''Saiph'' as an intervening R1 story, and why ST were able to go with ''[[Life from Lifelessness]]'' as an R1 post-Key story.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 15:30: Tue 02 Sep 2014</span>
 
==RE: Page Deletion==
Thanks very much. It was a silly mistake; I was editing using a mobile device and I couldn't view the page in its entirety. Anyway, thanks for explaining, and sorry for blundering around and making mistakes so often. [[User:TheAnonJade]] 17:25 05/09/14
 
[[User:Doctorkaran8|Doctorkaran8]] [[User talk:Doctorkaran8|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:01, September 6, 2014 (UTC) my post on  Thread:159341 was just as off topic as yours. Also, asking people to be nice to eachother is not a personal attack, it is a polite suggestion.
 
== Re: Story Synopsis ==
 
Okay, cool. I'd forgotten about that. Won't do it again. :)
:[[User:Thefartydoctor|<font color="blue">The</font><font color="silver">Farty</font><font color="red">Doctor</font>]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<small><sup><font color="green">Talk</font></sup></small>]] 19:16, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
 
===Merry Men===
"Merry Men" is still a subcategory of "12th century individuals". Therefore, the latter is still redundant. [[User:Slughorn42|Slughorn42]] [[User talk:Slughorn42|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:14, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
:You're welcome! [[User:Slughorn42|Slughorn42]] [[User talk:Slughorn42|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:16, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
 
== Re: Image on Spaceship (Robot of Sherwood) ==
 
Hey, thanks for the comment! I didn't realise it had to be a .jpg file but now I know for future reference. And when I uploaded it, there was a drop down menu and I clicked "screenshot from the BBC" (or words to that effect). And this was a picture I found from Google. So as long as I turn it into a .jpg and reupload, everything should be fine? :)
[[User:Thefartydoctor|<font color="blue">The</font><font color="silver">Farty</font><font color="red">Doctor</font>]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<small><sup><font color="green">Talk</font></sup></small>]] 14:39, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
:Awesome, thanks! I just thought it would be a shame not to have a picture on the article if we have one to hand. Thanks again. [[User:Thefartydoctor|<font color="blue">The</font><font color="silver">Farty</font><font color="red">Doctor</font>]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<small><sup><font color="green">Talk</font></sup></small>]] 14:56, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
 
==Hello==
Can't get rid of me. What's your name. Who is your favourite doctor/companion/enemy. What is your favourite/least favourite episode. Byeeeeeee. :D [[Special:Contributions/54.216.106.214|54.216.106.214]]<sup>[[User talk:54.216.106.214#top|talk to me]]</sup> 17:45, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
 
== New TARDIS Data Core page: Phil Madison ==
 
Hi Shambola108,
 
Just thought I'd drop you a line to let you know I've created the page [[Phil Madison]] for TARDIS Data Core.
 
I'd be grateful if you and the other administrators could take a look when you get a spare moment and make any changes you consider necessary.
 
Many thanks. [[User:Freddie R. Aldous|Freddie R. Aldous]] [[User talk:Freddie R. Aldous|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:39, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
 
== The green-ness of the coat ==
Some time ago, we were investigating whether it was enough of an indication of the presence of the [[Eighth Doctor]] in a short story if he were described as having a "green frock coat".  I think some other users said this was in no way indicative of Eight because he wasn't wearing green in the TVM, or words to that effect.
 
Turns out that it's explicitly how he's described in ''[[The Elixir of Doom (audio story)|The Elixir of Doom]]'', at around 14:10 in part 1:
::'''IRIS WILDTHYME''': It was someone [[Jo Grant|Jo]] shouldn't really see. I'd get the blame for it all if Jo encountered him out of sync, as it were.  They'd always blame me, of course. There he was, quite dapper in his green frock coat and his dark, flowing locks: Number Eight, as I live and breathe ... he'd recognise me straight away from our adventures with [[Sam Jones|Sam]] on the desert planet of [[Hyspero]] ... "
 
So that's pretty much a lock. Green frock coat and brown flowing locks = Eighth Doctor. (And, incidentally, one of the few times Big Finish explicitly reference the EDAs.) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 17:46: Wed 17 Sep 2014</span>

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Something you might want to look into[[edit source]]

Hello, User:Shambala108.

Sorry to disturb you with this, but I felt you needed to be informed of this edit here, where, even after I informed them on what you once told me about how featuring is to only include recurring characters to prevent overcrowding, User:Epsilon the Eternal still readded a single episode character to the section, essentially because they were pivotal to the plot, and then justified it by saying that an admin's word is not policy and can be ignored (at least by my reading of their edit summery). And why the character in question, Rose Noble, had showed up in a short story, they have ignored my explanation that the short story doesn't make her a recurring character due to it's nature as a prelude to the episode and my request for a few weeks of patience to see if she returns.

I've actually been meaning to message you about them and their decorum for some time, but this blatant disregard towards your words has pushed me into action now. For the past few months, their edit summaries have included treating arguments against their edits as attacks on the merit of their opinion, reverted edits based on actions not yet taken, put "More to Added" on fully released articles instead of contributing themselves, indulge in rude wording on multiple occasions (even using the name of the Lord in vain), and engaged in unneeded hostilities on talk pages.

I was hoping to ask if you could have a word with them, if it's not to much trouble, to inform them on proper Wiki etiquette towards other editors, and to avoid getting to personal in their edit summaries, and to remind them of why the featuring section on story pages is just for recurring characters.

Thank you for your time. Sincerely, BananaClownMan ☎ 04:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit war[[edit source]]

Hi, Shambala. There's the potential for an edit war at Beep the Meep. Wondering if you could help resolve it. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 22:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Re:Request for help[[edit source]]

I've looked through your cited page above, and looked over the linked examples.

I'm also aware of both editors' edits throughout the past few years, although acknowledge I've not been as active as I had been in the past.

I generally come at this from the perspective of 'is there a policy I can point to for a reason for this edit'. Epsilon does cite many of their edits regarding a policy. However the edit summary war is something that cannot continue, it's a nightmare to cite any discussion and it's not what the summaries are for regardless.

I'm unsure on a few of the cited issues by Banana, but can see how they may find some things vexatious.

I think all users can have their issues, and while Epsilon has had a few citations against them in the past, there have been extraneous circumstances around those in some regards.

We've not had a proper forum to engage new policies for in some time, and that's where rulings should come into play. Citing a reason for an edit especially something which might result in an edit war over inclusion of a character (or not) should be backed up by a talk page decision, forum or policy. Citing the word of an admin while it might seem like the 'voice of the flying spaghetti monster' in terms of resolving or justifying an edit, however it is better to be citing a policy or discussion. --Tangerineduel / talk 01:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

AudioGO[[edit source]]

Hi, Shambala. This page keeps being vandalised. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 13:54, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

My "Who vs elsewhere" polls[[edit source]]

Hello,

Would the admins have any objections if I did some further entries to my "Who vs [insert]" polls? I know the cards are heavily stacked, but still...the Lord loves a tryer, eh?

Kevin 'Chalky' Kaiba ☎ 22:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas And Happy New Year[[edit source]]

Have a good rest of 2023 and a great 2024 and onward User:Sum41Champ

RE: Sockpuppet[[edit source]]

Hey! Hope all is going well. I don't have CheckUser access myself, since I'm not Fandom staff, but I'll pass it along, since it seems like we have reasonable suspicion!

Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Happy holidays.
×   SOTO contribs ×°/↯/•]   💬•| {/-//:   18:06, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I just wanted to mention that User:Spongebob456 is probably the easiest Fandom staff member to contact for things like this as he's our wiki rep. He's who I've gone to for a few similar requests in the past (which I've done through his Discord but you could probably do through his talk page). Bongo50 ☎ 18:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
And that's exactly who I went to, in fact! But no problem at all.
Spongebob456 confirmed via Discord that all the accounts you linked are, in fact, related. I'm giving indefinite blocks to the new accounts, and I'll leave it to you to decide how long to extend their sentence on whichever is their main account. Cheers
×   SOTO contribs ×°/↯/•]   💬•| {/-//:   18:55, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Spacing with categories[[edit source]]

What's the purpose of the space? I See 0 effect that has on the page, Happy New Year. User:Sum41Champ

Trying to locate a missing thread[[edit source]]

Hell there. Hope all is well. I was wondering if you could help me with a query concerning a missing thread I am having trouble locating that is listed on several incarnations of the Doctor's articles. The thread I am referring to is mentioned as follows in the template on the articles's lede section:

As detailed at Thread:264489, character pages should only have AT MOST 2-3 sentences per story, not whole paragraphs of plot detail. This page needs a major cleanup in that area.

As you can see though, this link to said thread is red, hence doesn't take me anywhere when I click it.

Per some users (anonymous editors) removing it from the page, I began to do some digging as to the thread itself, in preparation for setting myself on the task of shortening down the Doctor articles myself in time, having already began work doing so with the CS links per my conversation with User:Scrooge MacDuck. In doing so, I discovered you are the one who added said template onto the Doctor articles back in 2020 (see the following link as an example: https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Twelfth_Doctor?diff=prev&oldid=3015495 )

Therefore, are you able to provide me information as to the thread itself or link me to the archive where it is stored? I don't want to trouble myself shortening all the articles if this thread has been superceded or reverted, hence does not actually have to be acted upon now. In which case, I could take to removing the templates from the Doctor's articles instead.

Looking forward to your reply. Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 17:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

On this subject Shambala, it does still apply, it's just sorta been rolled into the broader reforms discussed in Forum:Temporary forums/Subpages 2.0, as Bongo alluded to on Snivy's talk. The work here has really been touch and go, but it's very much live policy, just a real headache to implement. And archived forum threads from the 2012-2020 forums are at User:SOTO/Forum Archive. (Well, okay, it's a bit more complicated than that, because there are actually some forum archives that can only be accessed through URLs and not that index. But it's pretty obvious where to look if you pay attention to the URLs.) Najawin ☎ 05:30, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I know what you mean about the loading times. My experience on mobile viewing is atrocious for the long character articles and editing on mobile is near-impossible for me on them because it seems to crash or be so long to respond to the changes, even in source editor. Hence, I near-exclusively edit on desktop these days. I completely understand why editors appear apathetic to the change though; perhaps its the perks of superior internet speed or something, but these long articles do make editing a chore sometimes, necessitating having to edit solely in sections rather than whole page edits.

From what User:Bongolium500 sent me, it appears there's still the intention for the articles to be trimmed down as the template requests, it just seems no one - or very few editors - are actually bothering to do it, hence the templates remaining after 3 and a bit years of its request being placed. Same could be said for the CS link conversion since a mix of editors still use variants of the old format. If the task to do it is still needed though, and hence isn't going to be a waste of my time, I can begin implementing the change.

Thank you once more for responding to me message! Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 11:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Follow Up[[edit source]]

I Sent you a message on the purpose of spacing categories and you didn't get back. You have to give a solid reason as to how that affect a page for me to know the issue. User:Sum41Champ

Re: Edits[[edit source]]

Thank you so much! I appreciate the kind words. I'm always happy to fix and clean up articles whenever I see any that need it, and I'm glad to be part of such a welcoming wiki community. BlueSupergiant ☎ 19:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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