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We should likely wait two weeks to see how the voting on the back-up comics go, but [[Rose (A Rose by Any Other Name)|Rose-the-Cat]] and [[K9 (A Rose by Any Other Name)|K9]] are both called companions by the Doctor in their story. Thus they should be stored under Comics, single story, multi-adventure. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 00:24, August 30, 2015 (UTC) | We should likely wait two weeks to see how the voting on the back-up comics go, but [[Rose (A Rose by Any Other Name)|Rose-the-Cat]] and [[K9 (A Rose by Any Other Name)|K9]] are both called companions by the Doctor in their story. Thus they should be stored under Comics, single story, multi-adventure. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 00:24, August 30, 2015 (UTC) | ||
== Post-2017 requests == | |||
[[Anubis]] should be added, preferably under [[Anubis|Noobis]] (his preferred name post-rejuvenation). [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|Talk]]) 20:04, May 2, 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Donna and Martha == | |||
Why is Donna before Martha on the TV companions part? [[User:Ben Moore512|Ben Moore512]] [[User talk:Ben Moore512|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:21, July 5, 2018 (UTC) | |||
:Because she was the companion in [[The Runaway Bride (TV story)]] which aired before Martha's debut. [[User:Xx-connor-xX|Xx-connor-xX]] [[User talk:Xx-connor-xX|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:34, April 30, 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Anubis == | |||
[[Anubis]] needs adding to the template as an original to comic Tenth Doctor companion. [[User:Xx-connor-xX|Xx-connor-xX]] [[User talk:Xx-connor-xX|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:34, April 30, 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Proposed update == | |||
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|group1 = Long-term | |||
|list1 = [[Rose Tyler]] • [[Mickey Smith]] • [[Martha Jones]] • [[Donna Noble]] • [[Heather McCrimmon]] • [[Wolfgang Ryter|Wolfie Ryter]] • [[Majenta Pryce]] • [[Emily Winter]] • [[Matthew Finnegan]] • [[Brian (The Guide to the Dark Times)|Brian]] the [[Ood]] • [[Gabby Gonzalez]] • [[Cindy Wu]] • [[Noobis]] • [[Anya Kingdom]] • [[Mark Seven]] | |||
|group2 = Extended single-adventure | |||
|list2 = [[Jayne Kadett]] • [[Rose-the-cat]] • [[Gisella]] • [[Marcie (Vortex Butterflies) |Marcie]] • [[K9 Mark II]] | |||
|group3 = Single-adventure | |||
|list3 = [[K9 Mark III]] • [[Kara McGravy]] • [[Daisy White]] • [[Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart]] • [[Astrid Peth]] • The [[Dalek Prime Strategist]] • [[Mai Kondo]] • [[Tom Wake]] • [[Violet Hopley]] • [[Li (Reign of the Stone Monkey)|Li]] • [[Alice Wu]] • [[Jenny]] • [[Sylvia Noble]] • [[Kate Maguire]] • [[Nikki Jupiter]] • [[Rok Ma]] • [[Jake Carstairs|Jake]] and [[Vienna Carstairs]] • [[Wallace Fitch]] • [[Emily Parr]] • [[Darke (The Krillitane Storm)|Darke]] • [[Christina de Souza (Keeping up with the Joneses)|Christina de Souza 2.0]] • [[Jon Bowman]] • [[Koral]] • [[Alsa]] • [[Cassie Rice]] • [[Jimmy Stalkingwolf]] • [[Sugar MacAuley]] • [[Wilfred Mott]] | |||
|group4 = Occasional adventures | |||
|list4 = [[Sarah Jane Smith]] • [[Jackie Tyler]] • [[Jack Harkness]] • [[River Song]] • [[Christina de Souza]] | |||
|group5 = Single multi-adventure story | |||
|list5 = [[Grayla]] | |||
|group6 = Single adventure seen | |||
|list6 = [[K9 (A Rose by Any Other Name)|K9]] • [[June (The Slitheen Excursion)|June]] • [[Charity Wentworth]] | |||
|group7 = Unseen | |||
|list7 = [[Cleopatra Hunsicker]] | |||
|group8 = Narratively ambiguous | |||
|list8 = [[Tommy Connolly]] • [[Ross Jenkins]] • [[Rosita Farisi]] • [[Jackson Lake]] • [[Maxwell Edison]] • [[H. G. Wells]] • [[Adelaide Brooke]] | |||
|group9 = Alternative timelines only | |||
|list9 = [[Falanx]] | |||
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: I think this template is kind of... too much? There's a reason we typically cover companions by what medium they come from. This just adds a lot of noise, and makes it impossible to figure out "ok who's original to where? [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 15:51, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Possible additions == | |||
I believe that [[Anubis]], [[Charity Wentworth]], and [[Falanx]] potentially need to be added to this. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 15:52, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
: This is what I would suggest: | |||
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|list1 = [[Majenta Pryce]] • [[Maxwell Edison]] • [[Heather McCrimmon]] • [[Wolfgang Ryter|Wolfie Ryter]] • [[Jayne Kadett]] • [[Matthew Finnegan]] • [[Emily Winter]] • [[Gabby Gonzalez]] • [[Rose (A Rose by Any Other Name)|Rose]] • [[K9 (A Rose by Any Other Name)|K9]] • [[Cindy Wu]] • [[Anubis]] | |||
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|list2 = [[Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart]] | |||
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|list4 = [[Charity Wentworth]] • [[Sugar MacAuley]] | |||
|below = <span style="text-transform:none;letter-spacing:0px">''Multi-adventures reference the rare instance when a companion is shown or stated to have multiple adventures with the Doctor but only appears in a single story.''<br> | |||
If a medium is not mentioned, then this incarnation did not have companions who were original to that medium; it does not mean that this Doctor failed to ''appear'' in that medium.</span>}} | |||
[[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 15:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
:: Ah, but apparently, [[Falanx]] is a compantion of the Tenth Doctor's counterpart in a parallel universe — who doesn't have a page yet, but definitely should have. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:59, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::: True, but also incorrect. I figured he deserves featured because he does appear with ''our'' Tenth Doctor, but if people disagree that's alright. | |||
::: On the topic of why the alternate Tenth Doctor doesn't deserve a page, in the story the "alternate" elements we see are pulled from alternate dimensions, but the number of dimensions is said to be ''billions''. So we can't say that the [[Sonic toothbrush]], [[The Doctor's TARDIS (The Continuity Cap)|TARDIS]], and [[Falanx]] are all from the same alternate universe, because they're probably from several different realities. Creating a page about the Doctor for each of these seems unrealistic. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 16:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::: Why? We've created pages for all the glimpsed parallel Doctors in ''[[The Glorious Dead (comic story)|The Glorious Dead]]''. We'd only need to create pages for all the ones about which we have things to say — like [[Tenth Doctor (Falanx's World)]] for the Doctor that Falanx is a companion to, perhaps. | |||
:::: I wasn't aware that Falanx also acted as a companion to 'our' Tenth Doctor; if so I have no objection to his inclusion. There's a precedent for that sort of thing — [[Bernice Sumemrfield]] has been a companion both to [[the Doctor]] and to [[The Doctor (Sympathy for the Devil)|The Doctor]]! [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:39, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
I suppose that could work, but keep in mind we never see this Tenth Doctor, we just kind of know that he exists based on the circumstances. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 18:11, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Amendments == | |||
* [[Anubis]] '''still''' hasn't been added despite being a main companion of the Titan comics. | |||
* [[River Song]] should be in "multi-story" due to her adventures in ''[[The Tenth Doctor and River Song]]''. | |||
* Lady [[Christina de Souza]] should also be in "multi-story" due to her adventure in ''[[Last Chance (audio story)|Last Chance]]''. | |||
* [[Charity Wentworth]] should be a single-adventure audio companion. | |||
Also there is still confusion on my part as to why [[Sarah Jane Smith]] and [[Jack Harkness]] are "multi-adventure" when they appear alongside the Tenth Doctor as his companions in multiple stories. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Update July 2021 == | |||
The following need to be added to the template: | |||
* Anubis (under the name Noobis) | |||
* Cleopatra Hunsicker / Cleo (She went a several trips in the TARDIS, was added as an official crew member into the TARDIS data banks by the Doctor alongside Gabby, Cindy and Jack, and she also “officially” joined as a companion in The Good Companion, with the author Nick Abadzis confirming she would’ve been a main companion if the comic had continued.) | |||
* Charity Wentworth (She should probably go under narratively ambiguous as she gets invited into the TARDIS for “one trip” that’s hinted could become several at the end of The Rising Night, although of course we don’t know for a fact that she had multiple adventures for sure and she’s only in a single story) | |||
And then also the following changes should probably be made to the comics section: | |||
* Maxwell Edison should appear in the single adventure column, not multi story. Although he’s had multiple adventures with the Doctor, he’s only actually encountered the Tenth Doctor once. He only appears in Thinktwice via the Doctor’s memory. | |||
* Jayne Kadett isn’t really a multi story companion as the comic strips she appears in are effectively a four part serialised story like you would get in the Titan comics, the only difference is that they’re individually titled and there’s not overarching title. But you can’t read one issue and have the complete story so it’s really just a single adventure. | |||
* Grayla should also be in single adventure as the Doctor explicitly states that he took her straight from her planet to a new planet she wanted to stay on, and expressed regret that he didn’t take her travelling with him. So he literally just gave her a lift in the TARDIS from A to B and that was it. | |||
[[User:SarahJaneFan|SarahJaneFan]] [[User talk:SarahJaneFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:47, 28 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
==Duplicate Parameters== | |||
{{Not done}} [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Companions_of_the_Tenth_Doctor?diff=3464902&oldid=3353441 This recent edit] has introduced a second set of "group4" and "list4" parameters, which have caused the new "Original to video games" section to override the "Original to audio" section. Changing them to "group5" and "list5" would remove the error. [[User:Dragonus Nesha|Dragonus Nesha]] [[User talk:Dragonus Nesha|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:37, 28 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
:Fixed.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 13:57, 27 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Video games == | |||
[[Human (Attack of the Graske)]] and [[Emer]] need to be added to this after the sources gaining validity status. [[User:StevieGLiverpool|StevieGLiverpool]] [[User talk:StevieGLiverpool|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:16, 1 August 2023 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 19:16, 1 August 2023
Should Jackson Lake and Rosita be removed because they do not fufill the role of companion actually the Doctor is the companion in the story, its even stated by the Doctor to Jackson that he is Jackson companion. Bigshowbower 11:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Definitely, I also don't think companions from upcoming specials should be included until after the specials have been broadcast. --Tangerineduel 13:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Why was the category (for the want of a better word) television Not TARDIS travellers added, surely those characters are not considered companions. --Bigshowbower 11:15, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not quite sure what you're asking here. 23skidoo 16:31, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
Matthew and Emily[[edit source]]
In case anyone in the UK is wondering, these two characters were officially invited to travel with the Doctor and accepted at the end of IDW's Doctor Who Ongoing's Fugitive story arc, after having previously been featured in the story Silver Scream (wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey circumstances). I intend to create articles on these characters, but probably not until the new year (unless someone beats me to it). The character's last names are per Ongoing #6. 23skidoo 16:33, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
Jackson Lake[[edit source]]
I agree his status as a companion is up for debate given that technically the Doctor is his companion. However he should still be listed in some way, so I've added a "See also" column that I hope works as a compromise. 23skidoo 19:15, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
Return of the See Also[[edit source]]
I've put the See Also column back as it was removed without explanation. I still think Jackson Lake should be included there but I'll leave him in the main listing. We cannot include Rosita in the main listing because she was never the Doctor's companion, but Jackson's. This is made clear as day in the episode. I also put "The Viewer" in See Also. Aside from the fact I think it's slightly silly for us to have this article, the canonical status of Attack of the Graske, which was a game, is very much up for debate, and I don't know if you'll find any official reference works listing "The Viewer" as a companion. I won't go so far as to argue the existence of the article, but I don't believe it should be included in the main section. And anyway, it was included in the Prose section where it didn't belong. For some reason the Dreamland companions were also included in Prose so I repaired that. 23skidoo 16:28, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
River Song[[edit source]]
Just wondering, but should River Song be listed here because of Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead? —BioniclesaurKing4t2 - "Hello, I'm the Doctor. Basically, . . . run." 19:15, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
Multi adventures[[edit source]]
Jack Harkness and Sarah Jane Smith and don't belong to the section multi-adventure. They both appear in more than a single story. They should be added to multi-story.
Sarah Jane[[edit source]]
- School Reunion (an adventure with the Tenth Doctor)
- The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith (another new adventure and new story with the Tenth Doctor)
- The Stolen Earth/Journey's End (new storyline, new adventure with the Doctor, I think the companions who helped him to bring the stolen planets in the Tardis back definitly shared that adventure with him)
- The End of Time (this is the only appearance that I wouldn't count in as an adventure but as a brief meeting)
Jack Harkness[[edit source]]
- Utopia (an adventure with the Tenth Doctor)
- The Sound of Drums (same adventure, same story with the Tenth Doctor)
- Last of the Time Lords (same adventure, same story with the Tenth Doctor)
- The Stolen Earth / Journey's End (new storyline, new adventure with the Doctor, I think the companions who helped him to bring the stolen planets in the Tardis back definitly shared that adventure with him)
- The End of Time (this is the only appearance that I wouldn't count in as an adventure but as a brief meeting)
I think multi-adventure fits for Kazran Sardick and Abigail Pettigrew and the Eleventh Doctor. They shared multi adventures in the same story. A similar multi-adventure with the Tenth Doctor shares Tom Wake (short story), who is not listed as a companion. But Sarah Jane shares three and Jack Harkness shares at least two different story lines with the Tenth Doctor.
Missing companions[[edit source]]
Single adventure, short story
Multi adventure, short sory
Single adventure, prose, Quick reads
--178.162.199.140talk to me 20:50, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
We should likely wait two weeks to see how the voting on the back-up comics go, but Rose-the-Cat and K9 are both called companions by the Doctor in their story. Thus they should be stored under Comics, single story, multi-adventure. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 00:24, August 30, 2015 (UTC)
Post-2017 requests[[edit source]]
Anubis should be added, preferably under Noobis (his preferred name post-rejuvenation). OS25 (Talk) 20:04, May 2, 2017 (UTC)
Donna and Martha[[edit source]]
Why is Donna before Martha on the TV companions part? Ben Moore512 ☎ 12:21, July 5, 2018 (UTC)
- Because she was the companion in The Runaway Bride (TV story) which aired before Martha's debut. Xx-connor-xX ☎ 01:34, April 30, 2020 (UTC)
Anubis[[edit source]]
Anubis needs adding to the template as an original to comic Tenth Doctor companion. Xx-connor-xX ☎ 01:34, April 30, 2020 (UTC)
Proposed update[[edit source]]
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– The preceding unsigned comment was added by BananaClownMan (talk • contribs) .
- I think this template is kind of... too much? There's a reason we typically cover companions by what medium they come from. This just adds a lot of noise, and makes it impossible to figure out "ok who's original to where? OS25🤙☎️ 15:51, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Possible additions[[edit source]]
I believe that Anubis, Charity Wentworth, and Falanx potentially need to be added to this. OS25🤙☎️ 15:52, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- This is what I would suggest:
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OS25🤙☎️ 15:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, but apparently, Falanx is a compantion of the Tenth Doctor's counterpart in a parallel universe — who doesn't have a page yet, but definitely should have. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 15:59, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- True, but also incorrect. I figured he deserves featured because he does appear with our Tenth Doctor, but if people disagree that's alright.
- On the topic of why the alternate Tenth Doctor doesn't deserve a page, in the story the "alternate" elements we see are pulled from alternate dimensions, but the number of dimensions is said to be billions. So we can't say that the Sonic toothbrush, TARDIS, and Falanx are all from the same alternate universe, because they're probably from several different realities. Creating a page about the Doctor for each of these seems unrealistic. OS25🤙☎️ 16:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- Why? We've created pages for all the glimpsed parallel Doctors in The Glorious Dead. We'd only need to create pages for all the ones about which we have things to say — like Tenth Doctor (Falanx's World) for the Doctor that Falanx is a companion to, perhaps.
- On the topic of why the alternate Tenth Doctor doesn't deserve a page, in the story the "alternate" elements we see are pulled from alternate dimensions, but the number of dimensions is said to be billions. So we can't say that the Sonic toothbrush, TARDIS, and Falanx are all from the same alternate universe, because they're probably from several different realities. Creating a page about the Doctor for each of these seems unrealistic. OS25🤙☎️ 16:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware that Falanx also acted as a companion to 'our' Tenth Doctor; if so I have no objection to his inclusion. There's a precedent for that sort of thing — Bernice Sumemrfield has been a companion both to the Doctor and to The Doctor! Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 16:39, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
I suppose that could work, but keep in mind we never see this Tenth Doctor, we just kind of know that he exists based on the circumstances. OS25🤙☎️ 18:11, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Amendments[[edit source]]
- Anubis still hasn't been added despite being a main companion of the Titan comics.
- River Song should be in "multi-story" due to her adventures in The Tenth Doctor and River Song.
- Lady Christina de Souza should also be in "multi-story" due to her adventure in Last Chance.
- Charity Wentworth should be a single-adventure audio companion.
Also there is still confusion on my part as to why Sarah Jane Smith and Jack Harkness are "multi-adventure" when they appear alongside the Tenth Doctor as his companions in multiple stories. RadMatter ☎ 15:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
Update July 2021[[edit source]]
The following need to be added to the template:
- Anubis (under the name Noobis)
- Cleopatra Hunsicker / Cleo (She went a several trips in the TARDIS, was added as an official crew member into the TARDIS data banks by the Doctor alongside Gabby, Cindy and Jack, and she also “officially” joined as a companion in The Good Companion, with the author Nick Abadzis confirming she would’ve been a main companion if the comic had continued.)
- Charity Wentworth (She should probably go under narratively ambiguous as she gets invited into the TARDIS for “one trip” that’s hinted could become several at the end of The Rising Night, although of course we don’t know for a fact that she had multiple adventures for sure and she’s only in a single story)
And then also the following changes should probably be made to the comics section:
- Maxwell Edison should appear in the single adventure column, not multi story. Although he’s had multiple adventures with the Doctor, he’s only actually encountered the Tenth Doctor once. He only appears in Thinktwice via the Doctor’s memory.
- Jayne Kadett isn’t really a multi story companion as the comic strips she appears in are effectively a four part serialised story like you would get in the Titan comics, the only difference is that they’re individually titled and there’s not overarching title. But you can’t read one issue and have the complete story so it’s really just a single adventure.
- Grayla should also be in single adventure as the Doctor explicitly states that he took her straight from her planet to a new planet she wanted to stay on, and expressed regret that he didn’t take her travelling with him. So he literally just gave her a lift in the TARDIS from A to B and that was it.
SarahJaneFan ☎ 03:47, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Duplicate Parameters[[edit source]]
Not done This recent edit has introduced a second set of "group4" and "list4" parameters, which have caused the new "Original to video games" section to override the "Original to audio" section. Changing them to "group5" and "list5" would remove the error. Dragonus Nesha ☎ 16:37, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Video games[[edit source]]
Human (Attack of the Graske) and Emer need to be added to this after the sources gaining validity status. StevieGLiverpool ☎ 19:16, 1 August 2023 (UTC)